It's all been laid out over and over again for anyone willing to listen that these are the health and safety measures in place until we reach herd immunity. From your own article...
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State officials say the rule, which garnered thousands of public comments, will be in place until it is “no longer necessary to address the effects of the pandemic in the workplace.”
But you have a point. If all these nimrods keep refusing to get the vaccine, it could be many years before herd immunity is achieved. You can't actually fight stupidity with common sense.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
While I see your point in voting for Trump in the future, those who voted for Trump did so two months before Jan. 6th. I would certainly hope January 6th changed the minds of some of those people about voting for him in the future.
Yes, he was always a divider. But hopefully Jan. 6th and the big lie over the election puts into plain view the danger this man is to our democracy moving forward and will only lessen his support. At this juncture, after what transpired, anyone who votes for him in the future I will certainly see in a different light.
From the looks of things, the thinking hasn't changed at all.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Let me pose something to you. If in fact "they don't see the need, or plain don't want to be bothered", why would that be? Considering Covid has killed 560,000 Americans, if they listened to the virus experts, how could they not feel it was worth being bothered or feel the need? Which begs to question, who is it they're listening to that creates the situation they came to such a conclusion?.
Most likely, they are listening to themselves, and their lifestyle and situation. When you live rural, you can go long periods without being in any large crowd, aside from a trip to Walmart, they probably don't see many stranger.
Add that not getting the vaccination doesn't mean they are the same people who refuse to wear masks.
I'm not saying not getting the vaccination is smart, but I can seem, based, on the rural people I know, would just rather stay around their home and avoid as many people as possibly until this is controlled, than go into town and be around people.
Essentially, isn't that what the lockdowns were about? Don't go out and get it, and then you don't spread it. And when I say rural, I mean like rural acreage, not suburbs.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
What assurances do we have social distancing mandates will ever be lifted?
I had a thought related to this. If this is too much of a tangent, then let me know and I'll start up another thread.
I have a feeling that the goalposts regarding 'getting back to normal' are moving. The only thing I can definitively argue is that we won't ever get back to 'normal' (normal being our actions and attitudes towards health and viruses in our day-to-day). I don't see us ever ditching hand sanitizer at strategic points at businesses and such. I don't see us looking more harshly at people that are obviously sick and still coming into work and being out and about.
The list goes on, and honestly, not all of it is bad. Doing simple things that go a long way to slow/prevent the spread of illnesses/viruses are good things, and so us being more cognizant of them is good.
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
What assurances do we have social distancing mandates will ever be lifted?
I had a thought related to this. If this is too much of a tangent, then let me know and I'll start up another thread.
I have a feeling that the goalposts regarding 'getting back to normal' are moving. The only thing I can definitively argue is that we won't ever get back to 'normal' (normal being our actions and attitudes towards health and viruses in our day-to-day). I don't see us ever ditching hand sanitizer at strategic points at businesses and such. I don't see us looking more harshly at people that are obviously sick and still coming into work and being out and about.
The list goes on, and honestly, not all of it is bad. Doing simple things that go a long way to slow/prevent the spread of illnesses/viruses are good things, and so us being more cognizant of them is good.
This is something my GF and I have discussed. When we can once again travel internationally we plan on bringing masks, kn95’s. A few years back when we went to Thailand and Cambodia we ended up with a nasty cold for part of our trip. The beach part in southern Thailand. It kinda sucked. At that point we had flown from the US to Thailand. Traveled all over on public transportation.Then flew to Cambodia for a few days… and then back to Thailand. If we had worn masks on those flights we likely wouldn’t have ended up feeling sick and being out of it for a few days. That won’t happen again. In asia people regularly wear masks when they’re not feeling well. It’s a common courtesy they have for one another. So wearing a mask won’t stand out.
What assurances do we have social distancing mandates will ever be lifted?
I had a thought related to this. If this is too much of a tangent, then let me know and I'll start up another thread.
I have a feeling that the goalposts regarding 'getting back to normal' are moving. The only thing I can definitively argue is that we won't ever get back to 'normal' (normal being our actions and attitudes towards health and viruses in our day-to-day). I don't see us ever ditching hand sanitizer at strategic points at businesses and such. I don't see us looking more harshly at people that are obviously sick and still coming into work and being out and about.
The list goes on, and honestly, not all of it is bad. Doing simple things that go a long way to slow/prevent the spread of illnesses/viruses are good things, and so us being more cognizant of them is good.
This is something my GF and I have discussed. When we can once again travel internationally we plan on bringing masks, kn95’s. A few years back when we went to Thailand and Cambodia we ended up with a nasty cold for part of our trip. The beach part in southern Thailand. It kinda sucked. At that point we had flown from the US to Thailand. Traveled all over on public transportation.Then flew to Cambodia for a few days… and then back to Thailand. If we had worn masks on those flights we likely wouldn’t have ended up feeling sick and being out of it for a few days. That won’t happen again. In asia people regularly wear masks when they’re not feeling well. It’s a common courtesy they have for one another. So wearing a mask won’t stand out.
Agree, there are going to me some lasting changes, and we will all adapt, much like the more stringent TSA rules after 9-11. We just accept them as normal now.
Typically if I get sick, it is after we have travelled, particularly by air.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
While I don't completely disagree with you, I do think to a great extent it downplays the mass messages from right wing media and hard core right wingers that use the refusal to wear masks and get the vaccine as a political statement. I see and hear a lot of it. I actually watch and listen to the message that both sides are sending. And the political ramifications for the actions of people are very real.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
It's the mask thing and the fact that many Asian countries have used masking for a while that makes me think about this. I think all/most people in the US are going to struggle with/against the idea that the post-COVID world isn't going to be 100% the same as pre-COVID. I think we, as a nation, are just beginning to confront that reality now.
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
Interesting that the party that whines the most about cancel culture is now trying to cancel Liz Cheney for telling the truth.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Okay, let's pull on this thread. Let's say that the Trumpian wing goes to war with the moderate Republicans (Cheney, Romney, Kinzinger, Sasse, Gonzalez, etc.), and succeeds in divorcing them from the Republican party, ousting them, censuring them, removing them, whatever. Job done.
All that's left now are Trump loyalists, or at least people who won't stand up to him.
Do you believe this outcome is a good one, with long-term benefits? If so, why?
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
The left doesn't hate Cheney at all.. Do they oppose some of her stances on various issues, you bet... But let's be honest here. She is being vilified by the Right for saying exactly what McCarthy said after Jan 6.
She is being vilified over her stance that the election wasn't rigged... How dumb is that?
She's said that Trump is telling the BIG LIE! Well yeah. We all know that but republicans don't want to hear that. They don't want truth... Truth hurts them..
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I'll make an attempt to at least try to address your question by information Republicans have that they made every attempt to hide......
House GOP campaign officials withheld poor Trump poll numbers from lawmakers at recent Florida retreat: report
The NRCC failed to disclose bad Trump polling data at a House GOP retreat, per The Washington Post.
The numbers in several battleground districts showed poor favorability ratings for Trump.
In the districts that were polled, both Biden and Harris received higher marks than Trump.
The National Republican Congressional Committee did not disclose internal polling that found dismal numbers for former President Donald Trump in key swing districts during the House GOP retreat in April, according to two sources who spoke with The Washington Post.
During a presentation at the Florida retreat, NRCC staffers reportedly withheld the information even when pressed by a member of Congress regarding Trump's support.
The polling data showed Trump's favorability ratings underwater, with his unfavorable ratings 15 points higher than his favorable numbers, according to The Post.
In the districts that were polled, President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris had better numbers than Trump, The Post noted.
Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming, who is facing the possibility of being removed from her role as the House Republican Conference chair for her criticism of Trump's influence over the party, was reportedly "alarmed" by the lack of transparency in revealing the former president's polling data.
Cheney was said to be taken aback, in part, because Trump's lackluster poll numbers were also withheld from ranking committee chairs during a March retreat.
The NRCC reportedly denied seeking to keep the polling information away from members, but Cheney saw it as another way the GOP was seeking to ignore the truth about Trump's possible drag on the party.
Cheney, who boasts a decidedly conservative voting record, was one of 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump for his role in the January 6 Capitol riot.
Republicans neutering every voice in their party who calls out the big lie will alienate a lot of Republicans. The people in their districts elected them. Let's look at what Kevin McCarthy said right after the January sixth insurrection attempt.
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“The president bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters,” the Bakersfield Republican said during House debate on impeaching the president, the first time he has said publicly that Trump was to blame. “He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding.”
McCarthy said a congressional censure of Trump would be appropriate, but Democrats have dismissed that idea as insufficient.
McCarthy also stated that antifa — the anti-fascism movement — was not to blame, undercutting a refrain commonly repeated by hardline conservatives without evidence.
“Some say the riots were caused by antifa,” McCarthy said. “There is absolutely no evidence of that. And conservatives should be the first to say so.”
“We are a big tent party,” he wrote in a letter to fellow GOP members. “We represent Americans of all backgrounds. ... And unlike the left, we embrace free thought and debate.”
Yet now there is no debate. They attack, censure and neuter anyone within their own party who questions or rejects the big lie. They keep supporting the very lie that caused the insurrection attempt in the first place.
They need to remember that all of those votes Trump received in the 2020 elections happened well BEFORE Jan. 6th. Their actions are lessening support, not increasing it.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
My first instinct is to say "Game. Set. Match." I mean, how do you overcome that? How can one look at McCarthy right now and not see how the guy is speaking out of both sides of his mouth?
Perhaps someone who disagrees with that, though, could present something?
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Trump Jr.'s ex-wife started dating Secret Service agent soon after filing for divorce: new book
A new book written by Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post reporter Carol Leonnig claims that there were concerns within the United States Secret Service about members of the Trump family dating agents.
The Guardian, which has obtained a copy of the new book, reports that Leonnig details how Vanessa Trump, the ex-wife of Donald Trump Jr., started dating an agent who had been assigned to guard her family soon after she filed for divorce with the former president's eldest son.
Although Secret Service agents are forbidden from dating the people they're guarding, the agency raised no red flags about Vanessa Trump's relationship with the agent because he was no longer being assigned to protect her after her divorce.
Trump Jr.'s ex-wife isn't the only member of the Trump family who raised eyebrows when it came to her dealings with Secret Service agents either, as Leonnig reports that there were suspicions within the agency about Trump daughter Tiffany Trump potentially forming a relationship with an agent.
Specifically, Leonnig claims that Tiffany Trump broke up with her boyfriend and then "began spending an unusual amount of time alone with a Secret Service agent on her detail," which caused leaders within the agency to become "concerned at how close Tiffany appeared to be getting to the tall, dark and handsome agent."
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