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Alright- I chose to bang one out tonight. It's been awhile.




As a voting American citizen, I did just fine under under Reagan and both Bush's. I didn't vote for them or agree with much of their platform, but I never feared that they would overtly take steps to subvert our democratic institutions.

I can't imagine a scene like 1/6/21 being orchestrated or even prompted/encouraged by Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush41, Billyjeff, Bush43 or O44. And until recently, I'd never seen a Legislative branch in which more than 1/3 of its members were willing to promote the bogus conspiracy that the newest POTUS was illegitimately placed in office, after an election that was certified, time and again- at every strata of The Process.

This should make us all concerned. Every last one of us.

If indeed a schism breaks the GOP, it will be due to the change in demographic that began during the season of Obama's 'shellacking.' The rightward march since then has been unrelenting, as traditional pols tried to deal with this new breed by traditional means. And they got shellacked, too.

Boehner: gone. Flake: gone. Ryan: gone, andonanonanon...

In the most general sense, I hope Real America is taking note of this brewing civil war. It's really, really important. If it happens, it will be the first time in over 150 years that a major party has split. Historic moments lead to historic change... and everyday people who may not necessarily pay close attention to politics will be directly effected by what happens. Dawgs at this web address will be forced to assess the party they've followed for decades, and decide for themselves which version best represents who they are. That is a prime example of History Hitting Home.

Because all politics is personal, when you get right down to it.

Speaking more specifically, I see a nativist core of GOP legislators (both federal- and state-level) who are bereft of policy, and heavy on practice. They stand upon no principles, so they have only policy manipulation to maintain their competitive place in politics- The Arena of Ideas:

Gerrymandered districts.
Closing down hundreds of polling and registration stations (in 'strategically-chosen locales.'
Shortening open hours for voting.
Shortening the windows for early voting...

these are just the first handful that I can blast off from the top of my head, but do not be mislead: 47 of our 50 states now have new pending bills that replicate this list, over and over and over. And every single one of these measures have been brought forth by members of the Republican Party. Based upon the 'stolen election' narrative prompted by the outgoing Executive.

Yes, this is a Point in History that is more pivotal than many people realize.

People need to truly understand just exactly where America is at this moment: Reagan Republicans are now an endangered species. The dominant philosophy since 1981 is now being challenged and weakened by what we are seeing now.

Cheney Embraces Her Downfall, Warning G.O.P. of Trump in a Fiery Speech

“Remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar,” Ms. Cheney said. “I will not participate in that. I will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former president’s crusade to undermine our democracy.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/us/politics/liz-cheney.html

Why are you spreading a bunch of lies.

With respect to new Georgia voting laws...

1) They lengthened the hours the polls are opened.
2) They added additional weekend poll hours so weekday workers have convienent new times available.
3) The new law requires additional polling places or voting machines if the line is longer than an hour. Yes, they know where the bottlenecks are ahead of time.

Guess what, its easier to vote than ever!

Man you really are a good parrot!!

Nver mind that virtually every Republican state is trying to bring in voter restrictions and laws in response to a election they lost because they didn't like the voter turn out - while there being NO PROOF OF MASS VOTER FRAUD OR ANY BASIS FOR BRINGING IN SAID RESTRICTIONS.

Truly - every day more proof that to Trump supporters #factsdontandneverdidmatter

What she said is true. Period.

That falls directly on Trump

I hope they follow through, though I doubt it with the presence of the word 'former' in the title. Sounds to me like a bunch of politicians were only able to find their backbone after they moved on.

If they were to follow through on this, I think it would be rough in the beginning, but cutting away the radical faction of the Republican party is ultimately the way to go and will help them in the long run.

I would like to see the party break up for sure because - as it is now - it has drifted so far away from what it was intended to be. I actually blame Reagan for sparking what has now become a bonfire on that front. I definitely agree there needs to be a follow through.

Where my concern is, though, is that I think a schism of the Republicans would embolden the Democrats to be more brazen in all of their tactics, strategies, and policies which I believe are tied to their own corrupt undertones. I hope that the Democrats experience their own separation among cracks which already exist (progressives). They just don't yet have a galvanizing element to cause that break-up, like Trump has with the Republicans, IMO.

Overall, this whole two party thing is killing us though, so we definitely need to see a break-up.

It's probably naïve of me, but I've always put a fair amount of faith in the 'silent majority' portion of voters in our nation. IMO, this is the group that has been terribly under-represented, but is a big decider of elections. They are not so tied to parties tie their loyalty down to someone who's a basket-case. I think this is the group that would allow a fractured Republican party to eventually succeed once it gets its feet underneath it.

Food shortages, chip shortages, gas shortages, millions on the government payroll, anti west sentiment rampant.

It's already broken up. The only thing left is the construction of the Gulags. I am sure that is probably in the infrastructure plan.

The chip shortage began under Trump. But then again the problem was created by one of the very principals you stand for. Supply and demand.

The gas shortage is only going to last a couple of weeks and was caused by Russian hackers. You know, Russia, who supported Trump be elected president.

And now you act like you're hair is on fire. It's hilarious.

While I agree - the problem to my eyes, the radical part is larger than the sane part at the moment. I mean just focus on "The Big Lie" ... how many GOP want to tag along with Trump's outrageous flat out lie rather than accept truth. Period. Don't look at the crazies on the fringes - just look mainstream and how many want to perpetuate a bogus narrative because it plays to Trump/Trump base/faithful.

Keep telling you #factsdontmatter.

I think that most of the Republicans in the house and senate don't really believe the big lie. I think they know better. What's far more concerning is that Trump and them following along with the big lie has created a situation where the majority of their voters believe it.

Not many of them are willing to risk their political careers to stand up for the truth. You certainly have some and Liz Cheney is being used as an example of what will happen to you if you speak up. It's the very definition of cancel culture. Only this time, cancel culture has serious ramifications. It's threatening the career of any Republican who steps up to the plate and tells the truth. It's an attempt to perpetuate Republicans lie to their voters.

Sadly I don't think it would look much differently if the role was reversed and Democrats were placed under similar circumstances. I don't know that to be a fact but holding onto and gaining power seems to be the driving force of most politicians irrespective of party.

I've always respected Republicans like John McCain, Mitt Romney and Colin Powell off the top of my head. Now I'll add Liz Chaney to that category. It doesn't mean I agree with some of their policies. It's that I believe they will stand up for what they feel is right at any cost. Even their own power.

There needs to be an infusion of spines inside the beltway. An integrity vaccine needs to be developed for the liar virus.

I am very middle of the road in my political views and Cheney is generally too conservative but I have definitely developed significant respect for her (and kinzinger). The rest of the republicans? lots of respect lost.

Now that's good stuff

j/c...

9 part thread from Kinzinger...

Reagan had a hand in what the Party has become, but really, he's been out of office since 1988. So by now, if the party wanted to correct itself, they had the time..

Instead of putting up the fix, they just kept going down that same rabbit hole.. Neither Bush could control it or pull it back in.

I had been drifting away from the party for years by the time the W years were coming to an end.. I thought then and I still believe that W was a decent man, but wow did he ever let the far right dictate what happens next.

Trump was the guy that took it over the edge.

Now, the republicans eat their young.... So foolish...

Their message on Jan. 6th was pretty much identical. Then McCarthy had his meeting with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in late January and he did a 180.

Spine infusion specialist needed immediately in Washington D.C.

I'm having issues with what they did to Liz Chaney today..

Essentially, what the republicans are saying is, we support a lie.... Just that simple

I understand what you're saying. I think it could be viewed in two different ways. One as you said...



Or one could see it this way....

We will do anything and everything to minimize and politically destroy anyone in our party who dares to tell the truth.

No, it was not Reagan. Reagan did not hate those on the other side.

When Republicans became followers of Rush, Mark Levin and all of the other radio talking heads, the party began to move right. Newt was the first significant politician to be a my way or the highway attitude. Fox News added fuel to the fire.

The election of Obama resulted in the Tea Party, which was the first iteration of the conspiracy theorists. Trump was simply the tea party going into the dumpster, and the dumpster caught of fire.

I'm quite sure your reply was not directed towards me.

Ana Navarro.. Why don't you roll out S.E. Cupp, Megan McCain or better yet...Michael Steele's token conservative opinions?

LMAO...Bill Kristol is waiting for someone to listen to him...

Either the election being stolen is a big lie or you support that it's true. There is no valid evidence the election was stolen. If there is, provide it.

We'll see what the Arizona re-count says...

Arizona was already recounted twice by the state and Biden was declared the winner both times. Certified the winner by Republicans.

You're talking about a partisan witch hunt that are looking for bamboo particles in ballots to see if they were sent from China.

It's that kind of crap that make me shake my head. You're an adult, in a position of authority. Act like one, not like a 13 year old.

Rachel Maddow seems to be worried along with a slew of liberal lawyers trying to stop the recount...

http://www.christianitydaily.com/article...ction-audit.htm

I agree with this. I would say that a small majority of what I personally advocate for lines up traditionally with what Republicans at least claim is their platform, but I've just lost so much respect for the party and most of the politicians within it as a whole, while gaining more respect for Cheney, Kinzinger, Sasse, etc.

We've talked about this before, but it's somewhat similar to how I view Sanders and AOC. I may vehemently disagree with their politics at time, but I'm at least left with the impression that they actually have some conviction about the votes that they cast.

I wonder how things would change if a couple of the (i'm not sure what to call them...non-Trump republicans?) declare themselves independents and "leave the party." In the house it'd be less painful, but in the senate it could be detrimental.

I have no idea if any of them are considering this, just been wondering.

So now Pwning the Libs has expanded to Pwning the RINOs, I guess.

Sad.

They're showing the absurdity of it and how people such as yourself will believe anything that goes along with what they want to believe. They understand that it is nothing but a silly, one sided, corrupt faux recount to keep the big lie alive.



This is the owner of Cyber Ninjas who is conducting the "unofficial recount".

They would only let OANN stream the recount blocking anyone other than a far right wing media source to select what the public saw. So what do they have to hide?



Using ultra violet lights. Searching for bamboo fibers. This desperate and crazy stunt is only turning more sane Republicans away. So keep up the good work!

'Rationals' Vs. 'Radicals': Anti-Trump Republicans Threaten Third Party

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/art...ten-third-party

I agree that Reagan did not hate those on the other side, and I also agree all of those things made everything worse. I think those are biproducts of the snowball rolling down the hill.

I think Reagan is the one that packed the snowball and pushed it with the fact his immense deficit spending and corporate/elite welfare (definitely not authentic conservative beliefs by the way) gave rise to a course for the crony capitalism dynamic seen with the Republicans today. Like Daman said, there were opportunities to stop it, but the situations and people that you are pointing to I think constituted the "snow on the mountain" that kept making the snowball bigger.

That's not to say I abhor Reagan or his presidency, but I see this as a flawed biproduct of it.

I used to characterize politics as being "the elegant art of lying"

We can battle over the reasoning behind trickle down economics, deficit spending, the Laffer curve, tax rates, social support programs and benefits, all day long...

No so much with today's Republicans. They have lost their elegance, lost their art, and lost their moral compass and standards. I was thinking about tossing in a few adjectives, but there is no need to do so.

They lost and can't admit it. So they blame others or eat their own...

This is BS and only such people as yourself would believe it.


May 9, 2021

If There's Nothing to Hide, Why Are Democrats Freaking Out about the Arizona Audit?
By J.B. Shurk

If you have been keeping an eye on the election audit taking place right now in Maricopa County, Arizona, then you also know that Democrats, news propagandists, and "concerned" NeverTrump Republicans are beginning to sound more and more like trapped rats squeaking in fear. An army of lawyers — many of the same political operatives who manipulated the November election by contravening existing election laws and flooding battleground states with uncontrolled and unverified mail-in ballots — are begging state and federal courts to stop the audit midcourse and petitioning Arizona's Democrat secretary of state and Merrick Garland's Department of Justice to intervene under the absurd pretense that ensuring election integrity somehow deprives voters of their civil rights. Arizonan and Biden-supporter Cindy McCain has publicly called the vote recount "ludicrous" because "the election is over." And MSNBC's Rachel Maddow is so terrified of what the auditors might find that she insists that the whole exercise is not only "dangerous," but also the "end of democracy."

Even though the entire audit is being conducted with unprecedented transparency and live video feeds that invite viewers anywhere in the world to watch the process, reporters and adverse political agents have been repeatedly caught attempting to infiltrate the well run operation or laboring to expose the identities of workers. If there is a reason for inserting spies into an already open process other than to later cast doubt upon the integrity of the auditing process itself, I don't know of it. And if there is a reason to expose workers' identities to the public other than to make them targets for campaigns of harassment and intimidation, reporters have made no attempt to provide it.

Compare the highly professional audit taking place in Arizona to the orchestrated chaos of the presidential election. It took five days last November for vote-counters to find enough mail-in ballots for Joe Biden for the Democrat press corps to declare him the winner, and in the voting precincts where Trump leads disappeared over those days, transparency was nowhere to be seen. Vote-counters covered windows with cardboard to block outside observation of any kind; counting paused and restarted in secret; and ad hoc procedures were established on the fly and without consistency from one precinct to the next when determining whether to include ballots lacking legally required voter identification metrics, including even the rudimentary safety protocol of a loosely matching voter signature. If "free and fair" elections require basic security, verification of ballot authenticity, and consistently applied standards at least across the precincts and counties of any one state, then there was obviously nothing free or fair about the 2020 election.

A lot more:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles...zona_audit.html