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Thanks. My wife was born/raised in Hillsborough County (Lutz). We spent our entire time (on the ground) in Pinellas County, which is still obviously part of the greater urban area.

Peen ~ I might have to try the rest stops. My wife and I are like a pit crew going down the Florida. In this case, we took the kids, so we drove through the night to minimize their "high maintenance" status. We stop 4 times along the way. 3 times to get gas and it becomes an all-in-one trip (restroom, snacks, switch drivers, gas). Aim to get there in record time. 4th time is to fill up once we get close to the in-laws'. Ocala is usually one of our stops for gas. Hardly a mask in sight - same as last summer when we went down.

Interesting to hear about Gainesville. My sister-in-law lives there.


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So what you're trying to say is that immigrants, the fact more Americans are becoming older with the baby boomers coming of age and moving to Florida aren't ingredients in Florida's rise in population?

You see, I'm willing to admit and am fully aware that Republicans are migrating to red states. I understand that, that too is a part of the increase in their population.

Unlike yourself and a few of your ilk who are unwilling to admit there are other factors that are causing an increase in their population. You want to turn a blind eye to the fact there's more than one reason the population of Florida is growing so everything fits into the nice, neat little box you want to believe. It's really quite sad and why I think Florida's point flies over your heads.

Seniors drive Florida population growth, study shows

https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20190619/seniors-drive-florida-population-growth-study-shows

There's more than one reason the population of Florida is growing. Try to open your eyes instead of living in your comfy shell.


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Your link is from 2011, current much. JMHO, as a senior, 73 who lives in Palm Harbor, FL...seniors come for several reasons, cost of real estate, lower than lots of states, no state income tax, and sun vs snow are a few. Florida use to be cheap, it isn't now.

Covid isn't over, 10 year old died in Hawaii because parents thought it safe to fly and mingle.....thousands of cases daily, hope most of us use our God given brains and keep safe.
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My friend and her family are taking her father off of the ventilator today. A tough choice but there’s nothing more that can be done and his wishes were to not be kept alive artificially. He was vaccinated but had a compromised immune system related to a past kidney transplant. COVID is claiming a good man. It sucks.

Anyone that thinks for a minute that COVID is over needs to read up on what’s happening in Brazil. Look at the ages of those being hospitalized there. For those too lazy to look... it’s well under 60 years of age.
Look at India and what’s happening there. It’s absolutely tragic.

This isn’t over. Not even close.


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So your answer is that now seniors do not tend to retire in Florida? And that with the baby boomer demographic creating even more seniors than ever before that seniors moving to Florida are not one of at least three causes the population of Florida is rising?

Is that really what you're trying to say?

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The U.S. Census Bureau estimates that Florida’s retirement-age population reached 4.9 million as of July 1, 2018.

New census data show that Florida’s retirement-age population continues to grow faster than any other age group.

For 2018, the U.S. Census Bureau estimates Florida’s 65-and-over population at 4.9 million — a 3.4 percent increase from the previous year, and a growth rate more than double that of any other age group in the state.

One in five of Florida’s residents are 65 or older, the information available for release today showed. And their economic impacts are being felt statewide as more baby boomers choose this area as their retirement destination.

“Boomers lived through the years of great economic strength in America,” said real estate developer Pat Neal. “They are both big in numbers and they have the financial capacity to buy a new home.”

Neal’s company, Neal Communities, has built more than 14,000 homes for “active adults” across Southwest Florida since 1970. He said the median age of his customers is 60, and 57 percent of his customers buy from out of state.

At a local level, the 65-and-older population accounts for 42 percent of Sarasota County’s total population and 32 percent of Manatee’s. The median ages for both counties are 56.6 and 48.8, respectively.

The data also show that Sarasota and Manatee counties gained an estimated 16,500 residents combined in 2018, with Manatee leading the growth at a 2.5 percent increase from 2017.

“Our population growth is not surprising as we have a strong local economy with a fantastic quality of life,” said Jackie Dezelski, president and CEO of the Manatee Chamber of Commerce.

While Manatee County’s population continues to grow at a faster pace, Sarasota County’s population remains larger by nearly 32,000 residents — although the gap decreases every year.

For urban planners, that means heightened demand for businesses, infrastructure and housing. Manatee County’s housing increased by 1.9 percent in 2018 and Sarasota’s, by 1.6 percent, the bureau found.

“The Manatee Chamber advocates for adequate planning and funding of infrastructure to meet the needs of a growing region,” Dezelski said. “We have consistently heard from our businesses that business is strong and there are jobs to fill.”

Racially, Sarasota County’s population remained overwhelmingly white — at almost 92 percent — while Manatee’s population hovered around 86 percent white.

But minorities in both counties saw significant population growth. Manatee’s non-white and multiracial populations grew by nearly 1,700 residents, and Sarasota’s by 1,000.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20190619/seniors-drive-florida-population-growth-study-shows


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The problem with that is what kind of proof will businesses require? Vaccination passports already get criticized. Are we just supposed to accept people's word? I mean no one would ever lie about something like that.


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At some point we must stop punishing the people that do the right thing against stupid people. It appears that point has come. Let those who have decided to ignore the overwhelming evidence take the risks they have chosen to take. God can sort them out.


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Or what?? Lol


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Don't know, just sharing. I think it's as odd as anything I ever seen Trump say... Not as crazy or criminal, but odd.

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Very odd. I heard this earlier today.

Some other tweet was something like "but you better wear your mask if you haven't been vaccinated". Oh really? Nobody has really enforced those not wearing masks from the get, we're obviously not going to start now. rofl


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Or what?? Lol




Exactly. Do we need to start providing proof to go outside?
My question is as long as you are vaccinated, why even care?

Yeah, I know, our empathy for our fellow man....bla, bla


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Yankees Suffer COVID Resurgence As 8 Fully-Vaccinated Players, Staff Test Positive

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One thing I do actually worry about is with the population who is not vaccinated. They contract COVID, it mutates, and then it can get around the vaccine and harm those who have been vaccinated.

Not sure how you stop that.


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One thing I do actually worry about is with the population who is not vaccinated. They contract COVID, it mutates, and then it can get around the vaccine and harm those who have been vaccinated.

Not sure how you stop that.


Individually. I’m vaccinated. I’ll be wearing my KN95s in public settings, such as the grocery store, for the foreseeable future. No way I’m leaving my health up to those around me.


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Yeah, I'm fully vaccinated and still wear a mask, as well. My kids are not vaccinated, and one is immunocompromised. I worry more about them than anything.


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Bill Maher just tested positive for covid and he was fully vaccinated. He is asymptomatic though. (posted in EE too)

This is the first case of somebody well known being positive after vaccination that I know of.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but a vaccine doesn't mean you won't get the virus, just that you're body is already armed to fight it from the get go and defeat it before it set in I thought.


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As I understand it, the vaccine will make it less severe yes, but not sure if it helps to keep you from getting it.

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As I understand it, the vaccine will make it less severe yes, but not sure if it helps to keep you from getting it.


The only thing that’ll keep you from getting it is staying away from people, aka socially distancing, and/or wearing a KN95, or better, mask when in public. The virus is out there. I’m vaccinated. I’m also required to wear an KN95/N95 mask when seeing patients. Whether they’re vaccinated or not. I still wear a KN95/N95 in enclosed public spaces. Like the grocery or hardware store. I’ll also not be dining out indoors anytime soon. And no one is allowed in my house, nor will I be crossing anyone else’s threshold.

We as individuals are the only thing that can protect ourselves and those around us through our actions. The vaccine is only a piece of the puzzle. It’s the piece that can hopefully prevent a big medical bill.


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The virus is not going anywhere. It will be with us for decades, maybe forever. I would advise people to really look at the situation and ask what it takes to live with this virus in a normal way.

The vaccines are incredibly important. They prepare your immune system for this new class of Coronavirus that they have never been exposed to. Once you have the vaccine, you are far far far more likely to survive an infection or not even get an infection in the first place. You are also less likely to be symptomatic, which also means you are less likely to spread the virus. All of this means that the vaccines lower infectiousness and lethality. Those are really the only two things to be concerned about. At a certain point, if those variables are low enough, then the virus will not be any worse than any other coronavirus. That is the goal, that is what we are hoping for. I think the CDC is recommending changes because they are seeing the vaccine have an impact and the spread is way down. Lots of reasons to be optimistic.

Feel free to protect yourself as you see fit, but understand that most of society cannot afford to live like this for the long-term.

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Bill Maher just tested positive for covid and he was fully vaccinated. He is asymptomatic though. (posted in EE too)

This is the first case of somebody well known being positive after vaccination that I know of.


I am sure somebody will correct me if I am wrong but Pfizer (which I had) is supposed to be 90 to 95 percent effective at keeping you from getting covid. OF the 5 to 10 percent who still get covid you will either be asymptomatic, or have very mild symptoms.


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In addition to can't live like this, most people won't.

There comes a point where people come to the conclusion that they are going to die from something.

If this makes 58 the new 78, it is what it is.

In 1920, the average man lived to be 54 years old. Women to 66.

The larger than normal age difference between the sexes as compared to today I attribute to women stayed in the home, exposing them to less workplace hazards and less chance to catch a contagious illness.

That is 100 years ago.


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I have no problem living like this. Mask wearing isn’t hard. I’ll be required to do it for work for the foreseeable future. What’s a trip to the grocery with one on going to hurt? I can visit friends outside. I’m a guy, as are most of my friends. They can pee in my yard. No need to enter my home. I have an outbuilding with a bar, a stereo, and TV. I can host people… I hosted friends for the games every Sunday last season. I’ll travel for my art when I need. Using a KN95 isn’t difficult when flying. Take out food tastes fine. No need to sit in a restaurant.
Basically nothing will change for me except my desire for international travel not being satiated. In time. I can wait.
As to the new norm being a 20 year lower life expectancy. I’ll leave that to the antivaxxers and the ‘MaSKs hURt mY LiBerTiEs’ crowd.


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I really think it is extremely unlikely that the average person is going to lose 20 years off of their life due to the virus alone.

The 1918 Spanish flu was far more deadly in a world where people had far less interaction. That flu is still with us today. In mutated forms, but it is still here. It adapted to its host species and the host species have adapted to it.

There are no guarantees, but if I were to make a bet, I would expect COVID-19 to basically go through the same trend.

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I have no problem living like this. Mask wearing isn’t hard. I’ll be required to do it for work for the foreseeable future. What’s a trip to the grocery with one on going to hurt? I can visit friends outside. I’m a guy, as are most of my friends. They can pee in my yard. No need to enter my home. I have an outbuilding with a bar, a stereo, and TV. I can host people… I hosted friends for the games every Sunday last season. I’ll travel for my art when I need. Using a KN95 isn’t difficult when flying. Take out food tastes fine. No need to sit in a restaurant.
Basically nothing will change for me except my desire for international travel not being satiated. In time. I can wait.
As to the new norm being a 20 year lower life expectancy. I’ll leave that to the antivaxxers and the ‘MaSKs hURt mY LiBerTiEs’ crowd.


I agree on the mask to a degree, but if you like sitting at home to eat all the time, hang out with mostly guys who pee in your yard, that is your choice, not mine.


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It’s actually been kinda nice. I’m a homebody. So is my girlfriend. We both prefer to hang with just a friend or two at a time. Not being a drinker I never cared much for dinner parties/house parties/BBQ’s and such anyway. My GF, though a drinker, loathes them more. Bunch of small talk and acting like I’m having a good time while everyone around me gets intoxicated. COVID has put an end to the invites. Though most of my friends knew not to expect me/us when they did throw out invites. I’ve actually fessed up to most of them. Being honest that it’s not my cup of tea. They don’t take it personally when I don’t show… and are always kinda shocked and pleasantly surprised when I do.
COVID has made my social life…. Easier.

As to take out food. In most cases it tastes just as good at my table as it does theirs. Certain food may not fare as well. Steak as an example. I don’t eat at steak joints so it’s not a thing. I have a grill and skills. No need to pay for someone to cook something I can can cook at home. I can’t cook Thai, Chinese, Mediterranean, etc… most of those travel well.

To each their own.


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I get it. It's a free country and we get to make choices.

I am a homebody myself, but my wife and I do like to go out to eat.

Last year at this time was pretty much at the middle of the battle. We still went out.

We altered how we did it and where we might go. We would go around 2pm. We picked slow times. Me. being in charge of family defense, if I didn't like what I saw when I pulled on the lot or when I walked in the building, sorry honey, we are going somewhere else. If it didn't look distanced enough and there was no real screening going on...see ya.

I kept a hand sanitizer and we had wipes to wipe our own table. We bought condiment packs...salt, pepper, hot sauce, mayo, mustard, ketchup packs and would take some with us so we didn't have to use any common condiments. We will probably continue to do that. I have never liked using salt shakers and ketchup bottles on a table. You don't know who has been picking at crabs in their crotch.

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Something has come to my attention and I just wanted to gauge the reaction to it. It appears that minors in several states can use what is known as the "mature minor doctrine" to get vaccinated without the consent of their parents. I just wanted to know what you think of the policy.

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The “mature minor” doctrine in Tennessee permits healthcare providersto treat certain minors without parental consent, according to the “Rule of Sevens.”(SeeCardwell v. Bechtol, 724 S.W.2d. 739 (Tenn. 1987)).

•Under the age of 7 there is no capacity, and the physician must have parental consent to treat (unless a statutory exception applies).

•Between the ages of 7 and 14, there is a rebuttable presumption that there is no capacity, and a physician generally should get parental consent before treating (unless a statutory exception applies).

•Between the ages of 14 and 18, there is a rebuttable presumption of capacity, and the physician may treat without parental consent unless the physician believes that the minor is not sufficiently mature to make his or her own health care decisions.

Certain statutes also explicitly permit the treatment of minors for specific conditions without parental consent, including treatment of juvenile drug abusers (T.C.A § 63-6-220), emergency situations (T.C.A § 63-6-222), treatment for STDs (T.C.A § 68-10-104(c), providing contraception (T.C.A § 68-34-107), and providing prenatal care (T.C.A § 63-6-223). In the case of abortion, however, the legislature has made clear that no minor may obtain an abortion without either parental consentor a court order in exceptional circumstances.

Tennessee county health departments follow Tennessee law and provide medical treatment and vaccinations to patients as young as 14 without parental consent if the individual providerdetermines that the patient meets the definition of a “mature minor”in accordance with Tennessee law

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/health/documents/Mature_Minor_Doctrine.pdf


It has been adopted in several states but I'm having trouble finding an updated list of all the states it applies to. The states I know of that have adopted it are Arkansas and Nevada which have made it statutes and the states of Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Illinois, Maine and Massachusetts, state high courts have adopted the doctrine as law.


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Right-wing pastor gets Covid after saying vaccines were part of 'mass death campaign'

Rick Wiles said he was in the hospital with Covid-related pneumonia. He said several family members also had symptoms.

A right-wing Florida pastor was hospitalized with Covid-19, weeks after saying vaccination efforts were part of a "mass death campaign."

Rick Wiles wrote Tuesday on TruNews.com, where he propagates homophobic, racist and other hateful conspiracy theories, that he had Covid-related pneumonia and difficulty breathing. He said he was being released from the hospital later that day, but his wife was "still very fatigued."

He added that his daughter-in-law was in the hospital with extreme dehydration and vomiting, and that at least four other family members, including his grandson, had developed Covid-related symptoms. At least three TruNews team members were also recovering from the virus, he wrote.

"This was a full-frontal hit from Hell on your TruNews family," Wiles wrote. "Because Jesus Christ lives in us, we shall live too. Your prayers needed for the above family members and team."

"Thanks to Jesus Christ, I survived the CCP Covid genocide on the American people," he added, apparently referring to the Chinese Communist Party.

About a month ago, Wiles said he was "not going to be vaccinated."

"I’m going to be one of the survivors. I’m going to survive the genocide," he said during an interview posted to TruNews. "I am not going to allow the Covid maniacs to convince me to be vaccinated or vaccinate me against my will."

"I know what I’m reading. I know what I’m seeing," Wiles said, adding "there is a mass death campaign underway right now" and "the only good thing that will come out of this is that a lot of stupid people will be killed off."

Wiles is the pastor of Flowing Streams Church, a nondenominational congregation in Vero Beach, Florida.

In January 2020, he said Covid-19 was God's way of punishing China for having a "godless communist government."

He warned that God's judgment would come down on America because of "the spiritual rebellion that is in this country," including "transgendering little children."

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West Virginia to give away guns as vaccine incentive

West Virginia will be giving away guns as an incentive to get residents of the state inoculated against COVID-19.

Gov. Jim Justice (R) announced a new incentive lottery program for residents to get vaccinated during a news conference on Tuesday

The drawings will run from Father’s Day on June 20 to Aug. 4, and will include a variety of prizes from cash to firearms and even trucks.

During the Father’s Day drawing, the state will give away five custom hunting rifles and five custom hunting shotguns.

Justice said the state will also give away two brand-new, custom outfitted trucks and five lifetime hunting and fishing licenses. In addition, residents could win one of 25 getaways to West Virginia’s state parks.

Also during the June 20 lottery, one person will win $1 million. There will also be giveaways for two full, four-year scholarships for any institution in the state to eligible students ages 12 to 25.

The state will further give away $1 million for five weeks in a row.

On Aug. 4, one person will win a grand prize of $1.58 million, and a runner-up will win $588,000.

Justice said that to be eligible, all residents need to do is get their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. Anyone who has already been vaccinated is also eligible to win.

Last week, Justice encouraged residents to get vaccinated for his bulldog, Babydog.

“If you won't do it for your family, you've got to get vaccinated for Babydog,” he said.

Also last week, the governor announced that young adults aged 16-35 were eligible for a savings bond or $100 gift card through the state government when they are vaccinated.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/556350-west-virginia-to-give-away-guns-as-vaccine-incentive

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You ever been to W.V.? I mean, the real, mountains of w.v.?

I have, many times, and in fact spent this past weekend down in Webster County. It's a different breed of person that lives there. Hunting and fishing is how many put food on the table, much of the time.

I thought the goal was to get people to get vaccinations. That WILL help many to decide to get vaccinated. Isn't that what we all want?

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Not to mention that that is just one of the several things they're giving away (hunting rifles, at that).


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Colorado is having a lottery for vaccinated people. No entry necessary. If you're vaccinated, you're in the drawing. They are using a state health department database for the list of people that have been vaccinated. Turns out, a lot of people are not in that database even though they have been vaccinated. If the state is using that database to report on their vaccine numbers, then they are underreporting.

Reason #7832 to not put the government in charge of our healthcare. If they can't manage a simple database of who has been vaccinated, why would I trust they can manage healthcare for the entire country?


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I think you would have a more compelling case if you had proof that private companies who administered vaccines had provided the information to the State and the State had failed to put that information into the database. I'd say there is at LEAST a 50-50 chance the private companies have failed to provide the information, in the right format to the correct recipient. But bias has you already attributing as fact, 100% blame to only one side of that equation.


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Yeah, that seems a little odd. I know places such as Walgreens and CVS are supposed to report all of the vaccines they administer to the states. Since we've seen how poorly ran our healthcare system has been run by the private sector for decades now, using no real evidence that the failure to have the cases reported is the fault of government seems a little suspicious at best.


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