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POLITICS 05/14/2021 12:49 pm ET Proud Boys Leader Charged In Capitol Attack Feels Betrayed By Trump: ‘You Left Us’ By Sebastian Murdock [quote][/quote] “I’ve followed this guy for 4 years given everything and lost it all” Proud Boy Ethan Nordean wrote of former President Donald Trump. A Proud Boys leader charged in the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection expressed shock that former President Donald Trump abandoned him and other rioters. “Alright I’m gonna say it. [censored] TRUMP,” self-described Proud Boys sergeant-at-arms Ethan Nordean said in a Telegram message on Jan. 20. “[censored] him more than Biden. I’ve followed this guy for 4 years and given everything and lost it all.” Nordean, 30, from Washington state, wrote the grievance after Proud Boys Florida organizer Joseph Biggs, 37, was arrested for his role in the day’s violence, which left five people dead and 140 police officers injured. “Yes he woke us up, but he led us to believe some great justice was upon us ... and it never happened,” Nordean wrote of Trump in the Telegram message, revealed by federal prosecutors this week. “Now I’ve got some of my good friends and myself facing jail time cuz we followed this guys lead and never questioned it.” Nordean, who was arrested a week after posting the Telegram message, seemed to realize Trump would not be issuing pardons for him and fellow members of his violent gang. “We are now and always have been on our own,” Nordean wrote. “So glad he was able to pardon a bunch of degenerates as his last move and [censored] on us on the way out.” Nordean, who has been jailed since early February, is charged with attempting to obstruct Congress’s certification of Joe Biden’s Electoral College victory. If convicted, he faces up to 20 years in prison. He’s also charged with aiding and abetting, knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building or grounds, and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. He has pleaded not guilty. Even as Republican lawmakers attempt to rewrite history, falsely claiming this week that the insurrectionists are the true Jan. 6 victims, Nordean’s own lawyer has put the blame on Trump for inciting the riot. “Thousands of people descended on Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6 to protest the result of the 2020 presidential election,” public defender Corey Endothe wrote in a February court filing. “Egged on by Donald Trump, other politicians, his legal advocates, and the news media these people believed the election had been stolen. Hundreds, if not thousands, of people entered the Capitol building as Mr. Nordean is alleged to have done.” The new Telegram messages uncovered by prosecutors also show how the Proud Boys coordinated their plans for the day’s violence. “Drag them out by the [censored] hair if they steal it,” one member wrote in the chats. “Let them remember the day they decided to make war with us,” Nordean posted just days before the attack. “Fight we will.” In April, bail was revoked for both Nordean and Biggs after federal prosecutors successfully argued the two men were central figures in planning the attack. Trump, upon leaving office, relocated to his Florida country club. “FU Trump you left us on [t]he battlefield bloody and alone,” Nordean wrote on Trump’s last day in the White House. link
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“I’ve followed this guy for 4 years given everything and lost it all” Proud Boy Ethan Nordean wrote of former President Donald Trump.
A Proud Boys leader charged in the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection expressed shock that former President Donald Trump abandoned him and other rioters.
Trump played one of his games, appealing to the emotions of his supporters, getting the supporters to break in, then leaving the poor suckers high and dry when the LAW showed up.
Trump even told the supporters that he would march to the capitol "with them".
DID TRUMP SHOW UP?
Hopefully the poor folks who swallowed hook, line and sinker will learn a valuable lesson. ..."Do
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I'm still confused, obviously. Trump told those dolts to break in?
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I'm still confused, obviously. Trump told those dolts to break in?
No, but facts don't matter. Just what is said over and over and over by anti republicans matter. They make their own truth, despite the facts.
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LOL.
GOP are the ones ignoring facts on important things like election fraud. As for what Trump did or didn't tell these folks to do - maybe it's coincidence that so many of those who perpetrated the crimes of that day have all said that same thing. . . . I've said many times that Trump panders to those fringe groups and sends dog whistles out that they hear. Maybe they are all part of the deep state too, just like the GOP who voted to impeach ... or maybe Trump played them like a fiddle.
But technically you are both correct - Trump never uttered the exact words that they should go invade the capitol and kill and maim law enforcement while chanting 'Hang Mike Pence' ....
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Which law enforcement officer did they kill?
Just because it gets said 1000 times doesn't mean it's true.
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Which law enforcement officer did they kill?
Just because it gets said 1000 times doesn't mean it's true.
I'd like to know which law enforcement officer the rioters killed also. Accusing someone of murder is pretty serious.
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Read the post. I said it as an example of words Trump didn't specifically say. I wasn't making a factual statement. I think one law enforcement lost his eyesight, I think one lost his life but it was attributed to a health condition. Of course there are at least 2 suicides since the day
.. . Is it better if I can into specifics and dig those examples up?? No... My point and the gist of the post stands.
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That's a terrible cop out. Sad excuse. I read what you wrote. That's why I replied to you. All you are doing is reiterating what the media told you - despite the facts.
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I wasn't making a factual statement..
Well, I guess honesty after the fact is better than nothing. 
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Read the post. I said it as an example of words Trump didn't specifically say.
And then you went on to lead people that he DID say it, and that the cop died from the protest. C'mon man, you used to be better than this.
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You didn't address the gist of my post, instead picking on something used written in a general sense.
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And funny how you lived with 4 years of constant lies out of the mouth of Trump - the most powerful person in the world at the time - and I don't remember you once mentioning his lies. He's now undermining the democratic process of the country after losing the election and spreading 'the Big Lie' and I don't know if you have commented on that ongoing lie.
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I'm still confused, obviously. Trump told those dolts to break in?
Trump and his minions incited a riot with their words.. That's the facts and that's the truth... No getting around it. He also said he was going to go "WITH THEM" to the capital and he didn't.. He didn't.. He chickened out as usual. Keep following him if you want to, but look around at the trail of bodies he leaves in his wake... Maybe it will be you next time.
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Sicknick And yes, I heard his speech and the words of his minions.
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I'm still confused, obviously. Trump told those dolts to break in?
Trump and his minions incited a riot with their words.. That's the facts and that's the truth... No getting around it. He also said he was going to go "WITH THEM" to the capital and he didn't.. He didn't.. He chickened out as usual. Keep following him if you want to, but look around at the trail of bodies he leaves in his wake... Maybe it will be you next time. Listen bro. You can look at things however you choose. I would steer clear of the "maybe it will be you next time" rhetoric. That's some grade school ish right there. Not the kind of stuff you say on a message board. As for the rest... you believe what you want, I'll believe what I want, jump to all the conclusions you want from me asking a simple question, I'm an adult so I don't really care. But you and yours should eventually try to get away from the "labeling" b.s. that you use every time somebody has a counterpoint. It makes you look like everything you tend to complain about, actually probably worse.
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Sicknick And yes, I heard his speech and the words of his minions. The rioters didn't kill Officer Sicknick. But keep saying they did as long as it bolsters your rant. What's a little false murder accusation to make your point? Whatabout Trump in 3...2...1... BBC
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Kill? No, I won't back that up. I haven't seen any proof they "killed" a capital police officer. Does that somehow make it better for you? You who wishes to attack those outraged by what transpired on Jan. 6th? Why aren't you talking out against it? Why aren't you and others speaking out against the part Trump and his cromies played in instigating it? Police union: Over 140 officers injured in Capitol siege https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/a...i5xcpt1sIELYvJ/I guess Blue Lives Matter only counts when you're pointing your fingers at Democrats....... Two Capitol Police officers seek to punish Trump with lawsuit over Jan. 6 riot injuries https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/trump-la...l-invasion.htmlOfficer injured in Capitol riot slams 'disgraceful' new attempts to downplay insurrection A DC Metropolitan Police officer who was brutally assaulted while defending the US Capitol during the January 6 insurrection said Thursday evening that it's been "disgraceful" to watch elected officials downplay the riot in recent days. Michael Fanone, who was stun-gunned several times and beaten with a flagpole during the attack, told CNN's Don Lemon on "CNN Tonight" that "I'm not a politician. I'm not an elected official. I don't expect anybody to give two sh*ts about my opinions. But I will say this, you know, those are lies." During a congressional hearing Wednesday about the breach of the Capitol, House Republicans spent much of their time repeating a number of false claims about the insurrection as well as sugarcoating the actions of former President Donald Trump and his supporters. The hearing followed House Republicans' ouster of Rep. Liz Cheney from her leadership post after she repeatedly denounced Trump's "Big Lie" that the 2020 election was stolen. In pushing their false narrative during Wednesday's hearing, GOP lawmakers attempted to downplay the events of January 6, suggesting Trump supporters may not have been involved in the attack and even questioning whether the attack should be called an insurrection. Some defended the rioters and cast them as the victims instead of the perpetrators of a deadly insurrection that included attacks on police officers like Fanone. "Peddling that bullsh*t is an assault on every officer that fought to defend the Capitol," Fanone said Thursday. "It's disgraceful." The officer said he was "shaking for the better part of the day" after watching the hearing and that he wasn't the only one. "I was on the phone with dozens of other officers who were just absolutely traumatized by the rhetoric that was being used. And I understand politics. You know, I get that, you know, there's a push to try to, you know, win back the House in the midterm elections. I understand all of those things," he said. "But some things supersede politics. You know, this isn't about the political future of one party. This is about right and wrong." Fanone suffered a heart attack and a concussion during the riot and is dealing with a traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder. Exclusive new body camera footage, which was broadcast Thursday evening on CNN, shows the Capitol Rotunda filled with Trump supporters just minutes before Fanone was assaulted. "So that was kind of like the moment before I got swept out. And when I finally like kind of got my bearings out in the crowd, I mean I knew -- like I recognized how far away I was from the tunnel entrance -- from other officers," he recalled Thursday evening. "I was surrounded. I was being violently assaulted from every direction." Federal prosecutors have filed charges against Thomas Sibick, who allegedly participated in the assault of Fanone. Prosecutors said Sibick was seen in police body-camera footage assaulting Fanone while he lay on the ground outside the Capitol. During the brawl, Sibick allegedly grabbed Fanone's badge and radio, and he later posted a photo of himself holding a police shield on Facebook, court filings say. In exclusive footage from Fanone's body camera previously broadcast on CNN, the officer can be heard pleading with the insurrectionists to let him go. "I have kids," Fanone says at one point in the video. https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/14/politics/michael-fanone-us-capitol-riot-cnntv/index.html I said several times on here that during the BLM rallies that I stood behind those who peacefully protested but felt anyone breaking the law in riots should be arrested and convicted. I feel the same way about Jan.6th. Those who took to the streets in a peaceful protest committed no crime. Getting suckered in by Trump and "the big lie" isn't a crime. But those who forced their way into the capital and those who participated in injuring 140 cops deserve what they get. Maybe it's time for you and others to get on board with that. Just a couple of days ago we saw Republicans in the House downplay and act like Jan. 6th was nothing. They continue to foster the big lie and downplay what their own supporters put these officers through. And from you? Crickets. Your silence is your support.
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I'm still confused, obviously. Trump told those dolts to break in?
No, but facts don't matter. Just what is said over and over and over by anti republicans matter. They make their own truth, despite the facts. What facts are you referring to... if you have facts that show Trump actually won the election, let's see it. If you have facts that Trump didn't incite a riot on Jan 6 and they days that led up to it.. Let's see it. if you have neither, then tell me again, what are you talking about.
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I said several times on here that during the BLM rallies that I stood behind those who peacefully protested but felt anyone breaking the law in riots should be arrested and convicted. I feel the same way about Jan.6th. Those who took to the streets in a peaceful protest committed no crime.
But those who forced their way into the capital and those who participated in injuring 140 cops deserve what they get. Maybe it's time for you and others to get on board with that.
I agree. So, I already AM on board.
Notice, if you follow along, I was responding to a direct statement that "they killed an officer." They didn't.
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There are no facts that Trump won the election. What are YOU talking about? I never said he did win. While I hoped he would, that's a different topic.
He didn't win.
And the rioters didn't kill an officer, either.
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I said several times on here that during the BLM rallies that I stood behind those who peacefully protested but felt anyone breaking the law in riots should be arrested and convicted. I feel the same way about Jan.6th. Those who took to the streets in a peaceful protest committed no crime.
But those who forced their way into the capital and those who participated in injuring 140 cops deserve what they get. Maybe it's time for you and others to get on board with that.
I agree. So, I already AM on board.
Notice, if you follow along, I was responding to a direct statement that "they killed an officer." They didn't.
Are you saying that the rioters on Jan 6 didn't kill a police officer?
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No, I'm not saying that. The medical examiner said it. I provided you a link, jfan provided you a link.
The officer died of natural causes - according to the medical examiner.
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Are you saying that the rioters on Jan 6 didn't kill a police officer?
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I said several times on here that during the BLM rallies that I stood behind those who peacefully protested but felt anyone breaking the law in riots should be arrested and convicted. I feel the same way about Jan.6th. Those who took to the streets in a peaceful protest committed no crime.
But those who forced their way into the capital and those who participated in injuring 140 cops deserve what they get. Maybe it's time for you and others to get on board with that.
I agree. So, I already AM on board.
Notice, if you follow along, I was responding to a direct statement that "they killed an officer." They didn't.
Are you saying that the rioters on Jan 6 didn't kill a police officer? I read it,, But what it doesn't say is what caused his medical condition to cause his death at that moment. The guy got his head beat in... Are you saying that had no effect on his dying at that precise moment? That seems to be all those that support Trump are hanging their hats on..
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So, you're saying it IS the reason? When did you get your medical license, and when did you preform an autopsy?
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So, you're saying it IS the reason? When did you get your medical license, and when did you preform an autopsy? There was a medical examiner that - under oath - testified that George Floyd wasn't murdered and that it wasn't Chauvin that killed him. I think the point that is being made / suggested - if the Capital Riots / insurrection never happened, would that individual be alive or dead? There is no way to prove this one way or the other. But I don't think it is unreasonable to think he'd still be alive. Personally quibbling over the cause of death for that officer seems to down play the events of that day - what led to them, how significant they were and how un-American it is and what an attack on what America stands for to allow politicians to continue to promote the Big Lie that the election was Stolen.
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I read it,, But what it doesn't say is what caused his medical condition to cause his death at that moment.
Dayum, give it up dude. The cause of death was "acute brainstem and cerebellar infarcts due to acute basilar artery thrombosis." He was a dead man walking before the incident. Your Trump derangement syndrome has you lying through your teeth and clinging to a false murder accusation. He sustained NO INJURIES from the riot. He was sprayed with pepper spray and that's it....and before you try and run with that, re-read this. "Despite being sprayed with a chemical substance, Sicknick's manner of death was determined to be "natural," the medical examiner's office said. The "natural" classification is used "when a disease alone causes death," the medical examiner's office said in the summary. "If death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural." The guy got his head beat in... Are you saying that had no effect on his dying at that precise moment? "the autopsy found no evidence of internal or external injuries or of an allergic reaction to the chemical substance." That seems to be all those that support Trump are hanging their hats on. ...and you're hanging your hat on a growing pile of BS that you keep adding to. You are no better than they are.
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imagine right wingers trying to point the finger at trump, while other right wingers are on this board and other places trying to rewrite history and the narrative surrounding jan 6th.
right wingers moved faster trying to change the narrative around jan 6th than they did the civil war.
i will easily bet my entire existence on this board that if black people ever stormed a government building like this, Arch, FATE, and jfanent would NEVER be on here trying to defend them like they're doing these losers now.
and we all its the truth. imagine going hard in the paint for one man who would NEVER be caught dead hanging around right wingers like that prior to running for office. thats next level brainwashing.
i am so serious when i say i have a very hard time telling the difference between trump supporters and the trash ass muslim extremist i fought against in the middle east.
y'all act, do, and say the same crap those losers in the desert engage in. just swap the skin tone and religion.
hell, that's probably why they don't like each other, cause they're two sides of the same coin. consumed by ideology and nothing else.
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i will easily bet my entire existence on this board that if black people ever stormed a government building like this, Arch, FATE, and jfanent would NEVER be on here trying to defend them like they're doing these losers now.
Who am I defending? I didn't support anyone storming the capitol. I'm calling out the BS murder accusations, and I'll do that in either direction. I also called out Trump's crap here and you know it. Are you ok with people continuously saying that a capitol police officer was murdered when you know he wasn't?
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i will easily bet my entire existence on this board that if black people ever stormed a government building like this, Arch, FATE, and jfanent would NEVER be on here trying to defend them like they're doing these losers now.
This is a problem you have, not me. I've never defended what happened at the capital. Ever. What I HAVE done is point out the officer, a cop (who you think I defend all the time), was not murdered, as was stated by damian. Period. I have even stated those that stormed the capital deserve what they they get. Protest, legally, fine by me. Break in? you're a criminal. Period. You want my address so you can send your entire existence to me? Or maybe my attorney, so we can add it to trust. You speak foolish ass lies, and believe them. I didn't defend anyone that broke in to the capital. I simply stated the damians statement that the rioters killed a cop was false.
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Doesn't matter, it fits their narrative. That's all that matters to some of them.
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i will easily bet my entire existence on this board that if black people ever stormed a government building like this, Arch, FATE, and jfanent would NEVER be on here trying to defend them like they're doing these losers now.
Who am I defending? I didn't support anyone storming the capitol. I'm calling out the BS murder accusations, and I'll do that in either direction. I also called out Trump's crap here and you know it. Are you ok with people continuously saying that a capitol police officer was murdered when you know he wasn't? bro cops got straight up assaulted in that riot. that is an absolute fact. the people of law and order and the the thin blue line was out here straight up beating up on cops during that riot. you over here bickering over lab results like we're scientist doesn't change the fact that the "Respect law enforcement" crowd all of sudden didn't seem to car too much about law enforcement that day. and by the way, right wing america has a very long history with being violently hostile toward law enforcement. learn your history. but you don't even see that, do you? you don't even know how you coming across right now. you were nowhere to be found during the riots, but the moment the small pieces of detail is questionable, you pounce on that with the quickness. you most certainly don't have to care about how you come across, but regardless; that's how you and others come across right now. you was sharon stone in 'disappearing acts' during the riots, and now you're all over it once the heat got low. you're literally out here helping these other people change the narrative about that riot, which i most certainly consider an insurrection. if we went through these threads right now since jan 6th, whats the evidence gonna show from your posting history? i wonder if it will show that you spent far more time trying argue with what happened over actually condemning the event altogether. you know it. and i know it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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read my post to J, its pretty relevant to whatever drivel was in your reply.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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so anyway,
wonder what the next right wing boy band group they're gonna come up with next.
got the proud boys, boogaloo boys, incels, <insert trash ass militia name>, and MAGA hatters.
Q also crashed and burned rather quickly. it seems like right wing movements have an expiration date that mirrors that of the confederacy: around 4 years.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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damn and the tea party. sheesh, conservatives been on a roll in the 21st century with these cult-like movements. wonder why.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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Four posts in a row. You must be triggered.
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