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It's no wonder you people think like you do. This reporting is nothing more than worthless attempts at poking the bear. It really is sad that the "Grand Old Party" has become... nitwits, chuckleheads, racists, fascists, incels, white supremacists, and trolls. Aren't there any normal conservatives in the party anymore? I mean people who act and sound like normal people? Critical thinkers? If there are, I'd like to know where. All I seem to see is idiots.

I mean the gaul of these damn reporters smacking Harris for passing out cookies! It's not like she led an insurrection or abandoned allies on the battlefield... I think those two things are by far the lowest crap Trump did, and he did a whole lot of crap.

And Cudlow is just a tool and a drunk. He's as useless as they come. All mouth, all about the donor class and mega rich, could care less about the average man... that is who he is, just like Trump.

Good job.You just described both parties.

That is true to an extent. And both 'sides' of the media are too partisan.

But to paint both as being equally bad at this moment in time is wrong in my opinion - one of many false equivalence.

I mean you can argue that Moscow Mitch/Graham - Schumer/Pelosi are opposite sides of the same or similar coin. There are probably a lot of other similar but opposite factors and entities.

But while MSNBC is blindly Anti-Trump - it doesn't have the complete dross just posted here by Fish. The negative reporting on Trump was had a basis in reality - Trump was an easy target. He was loud, shot his mouth off without facts or logic, he was derisive, combative and divided the Nation. . . . Biden may have faults - he may have many faults - but they aren't in the same stratosphere. . . . When Trump was mocked by the other leaders of the G8 summit - it was real. This is BS.

The Democrats don't have politicians promoting a known lie - constantly. They don't have MTG and Gaetz. I mean you can hate on AOC and think she's close to being a socialist - but she is smart and debates based on reality and facts for the most part.

The list goes on. Sure it's frustrating but to say they are equally as bad as each other is a false equivalent.

At least Democrats and Independents want to investigate 1/6.. Republicans want to run and hide.. they want people to think it was just another day at the capital... Videos don't lie.

So, I guess they aren't that similar

However, if you look at the extremes of both parties, your comment is spot on... Problem is, today you will find nobody on the Right that isn't on the extreme... Save a few.

When you have to start a retort with an "at least", you're really agreeing with GM that they both suck, but one doesn't quite suck as bad as the other. Unfortunately, in this two party system you can win by running on a "we suck less" platform.

The bar was set historically low. But yes, I don't think either party comes close to representing the desires of the majority of American voters.

As of now it's down to the less crazy of two options. That's never a good thing.

Biden gets a free pass on everything. Got it.

Like I have said to others - if you want to talk about Biden missteps and real "scandals" .... do it. Start a separate thread for every single one of them. I'll contribute and criticize where appropriate. Biden wasn't and isn't "my guy", and he wasn't other posters on here 'guy' - they'll be honest too. The single problem with this concept is that instead of actually coming up with a debatable point about Biden's politics - all that's written is stupid crap like "Biden gets a free pass on everything" ....

The difference between trump and biden

trump showed that he was a vile person who abused the system for his own benefits, pushed the legal limits many times and frankly crossed the line several times. The only reason he wasn't thrown out of office is the weak republicans bent over backwards to protect him, even at the expense of their reputations.

Biden has been nothing but honorable. You can argue his decisions and policies but I have seen nothing scandalous. Feel free to point out any scandal I have missed.

These ChiComs in control of our country are a laughing stock.

I absolutely don't agree with GM on this subject,, but hell, if you makes you feel better to think that, have at it.

By the way, nice dodge,,, guess you don't have an answer.....

Doubtful. Every thread about Biden so far has resulted in the liberal response of "what about Trump." You point out something Trump did thats worse as an excuse to ignore Biden. Which is where my "free pass" comment comes from. I doubt we'll ever see the liberals on this board have a reasonable discussion about Biden.

Dodge what? Trump was a deceitful liar and sucked as president. Please don't take that that as a ringing endorsement of the octogenarian buffoon that's now in office.

Can you list some things for me that biden is getting a free pass on?

My point stands ... there is no meaningful thread about Biden / policy and discussion/criticism. Frivolous posts blaming Biden for inflation, "Open Borders" and the death total from Covid since he took office are about as much as the "opposition" can muster.

Illegal immigration and his lack of a stance on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

Tara Reade!

Good one.

I mean - it's a short list, but if that's what you got then that's what you got.

You choose to critique Biden on a single claim of sexual assault - from 1993. Without corroboration and other coworkers stating they do not recall the incident or her talking about it.... I mean - you dismissed Kavanaugh's accuser even though she did have others confirm she had mentioned the incident. You dismissed the 19 or so accusers of Trump.... so I guess it's 100% expected that you would choose this topic to shine a light on Biden.

That would be a FAIL. Try harder.

This is exactly what I am talking about ... y'all be like "Whattabout Biden" ..... but you can't even come up with a Whatabout to actually have a discussion about.

Now we can start a discussion.
Will address you later when I get home from work.

It's might be a start. But you list issues. You don't debate what Biden did or didn't do compared to what you think he should have done.

I'd go into commenting on both issues but will wait for some substance.

I think this comes down the crux of our problem as a whole. The parties were and continue to be comprised of a hierarchy of self-interested individuals trying to escalate their own power, carving out their own fiefdom, or a combination of the two. The interests of the people are pretty much an afterthought.

When that happens, the populace gets frustrated and you see the populace vote for wrecking balls just to "mess everything up." I think right now the wrecking ball is swinging back toward the crane - so to speak- but if things don't get fixed, I think it'll come for another go-around.

Lol. Keep waiting. l didn't ask for your comments.

If you replace the word populace with electoral college, I agree with you.

Short memory.. That's the way Trump supporters have been responding for years.

I understand it's almost impossible for you to fathom the concept that if someone makes a mistake they reverse course to correct it rather than stand behind that mistake no matter how wrong they are. Welcome to 2021.

Opps - you made a comment on a public forum and expected to skate away without getting public feedback. Got it Sounds about what I expect.

So we are back to the 'opposition' claiming Biden is getting away with "Stuff" but refusing to actually put together an intelligent post about what 'stuff' might be and why/how Biden got it wrong.

It's a lot like claiming the election was stolen and backing it up with ... absolutely nothing. Yay.

NO both sides IMO are totally off their rockers.



Here is where we disagree buddy. Both sides already painted them selves as bad. They don't want to meet in the middle. They just want too proclaim that they are 100 percent right on everything and that every body else is crazy.

So just using Trump and Biden as examples. For 4 years Trump didn't once meet in the middle and didn't even try to give the appearance of ... Are you saying Biden administration hasn't tried to be more Bi-Partisan than Trump? Because yes I disagree. Is Biden trying to meet halfway on everything - no, nor should he. But is he making some efforts? He sure is. Trouble is - Trump and his colt have people frothing at the mouth and calling any conservative who might be willing to work with Biden or, say, state the election was fair and safe, RINO's.

Nah. For the record, I don't like Biden or Harris for who they are or what they've done in the past. I DO think this admin is much much better than the last, but I have issues with them as well. I think Biden is almost feeble both mentally and physically, and he's far from being the most progressive president since FDR as promised. I think Harris is a centrist hiding under a progressive tag and I think a lot of her "concerns" are just fake ass acting. I trust both of these two about as far as I could throw them.

Just as a matter of personal choice, I'm not a big pro Israel dem but I'm also not pro palestine or hamas. I think it's in Israel's best interest to broker a lasting peace deal, BUT neither party wants to concede anything or forget anything. Sometimes I wish we would wash our hands of the entire situation, but I understand why we always have to have Israel's back. So at this point I don't care what Biden's stance is on Israel for the aforementioned reasons. And as far as Trump on the subject, I didn't mind them trying to broker peace but I though moving the embassy was more of a poke in the eye to Muslims than something beneficial to us or Israel.

I keep seeing the argument that gas prices are high because of Biden. I don't see that. They are high because the oil/gas industry is gouging at the pump again IMHO. Hackers shut down a vital pipeline for a week and they paid a ransom to restore operations. The FBI recouped the ransom and it's been a few weeks since, yet prices keep climbing. With the work force returning to work, the supply chains trying to catch up or get back on track, and summer vacation season hitting us just as covid restrictions are lifted across the country, I can see some justification for price increase due to demand. But I don't see the justification for gas over $3 a gallon and I think some of it is political.

Prices went up under Obama, then dropped sharply under Trump, then back up when another dem (Biden) takes office... Starting to see a pattern of the Oil Barron GOP Donor class perhaps manipulating prices to make dems look bad. And until I see evidence proving otherwise, that's what I think is going on with gas prices.

I think Biden straight got a pass on Tara Reade. I personally think he was guilty but the politics of the moment gave him a pass mostly because the accusations against Trump were never truly investigated nor addressed. So contrary to the cancel culture knee jerk to dropping the hot potato, he got a pass by dems responding much like the right did with Trump's many allegations of being a sexual predator.

I'm happy to knock any politician when they screw up or deserve it. I despised Trump for many reasons, so it's true that I was harder on him than I have been on Biden. But that doesn't mean I won't engage in real convos about him or hold him accountable.

Don't expect me to embrace ANY Trumpian talking points because it will not happen. But conservative republicans (not the wackadoo for Trump crowd) can expect honest discourse with me on Biden's missteps, gaffes, or scandals (should a real one arise).

I actually don't think Trump is as much a problem with the Republicans refusing to work across the aisle as McConnell is. He has a long history of basing his platform on obstruction, and he's acted no differently since Biden took office, with the "personal favors" and whatnot with the whole January 6 commission. It seems pretty obvious to me that his goal is either A) the administration passes the policies Republicans want and he wins, but if they don't, fall back on B) talking about how the administration either didn't get anything done or refused to even work with Republicans and ran roughshod over them.

I think it's a ploy to get more seats back in Congress, because they don't really have any other platform to stand on right now, and they're splintered. If the Republicans lose even more ground next year, I think Mitch finally steps down. I think that's why he's had his succession planning put in place in Kentucky (along with the obvious fact that I think he's 80 now).

All of that is just my intuition based on what I've seen, so I could be off.

If anything, I think Trump is more of a problem with Republicans trying to negotiate with themselves.

Great points. I can agree on Mitch and how he operates. It's everything wrong with the system. That said as POTUS it *should* be your job to reach across and find some common ground somewhere. Biden is by no means perfect - I like him more than OCD ... but that doesn't say much. But he is light years away and better than what we saw with the last administration.

Absolutely.

For four years neither Dems, or Repubs, have tried to do what most folks want. They have leaned very far left, or very far right., ON BOTH SIDES. The big problem is that BOTH sides won't work together like they should for the American people. They only want to get the job in politics, and furthier themselves instead of giving a crap about what most people want. I think BOTH sides are very skilled at that.

I think that's true, too. You post, my discussion with mgh, and the other two recent posts I think call attention to the fact that the politicians care more about seats and winning and the dynamics of the election process (for personal gain), and nowhere in there is there a mention of what they're actually going to do for the people.

So you are having issues with his policy choices not him.
I can't speak for everyone but I was plus and minus on various policies trump had. My issues were with him as a person, the. way he ran things, his lack of leadership in a time of crisis and his attempts to subvert the rules of law and try to turn this country into an autocracy.


Regarding illegal immigration, I think the jury is still out. This has been an issues for decades and through numerous presidencies little has changed. He has assigned Kamala to address the issue (mistake in my opinion) so we'll see what they come up with. I suspect that whatever they come up with McConnell will try to block it. Even if they decide building a wall is the way to go.

Isreal/Palestinian conflict - again this is a long term issue that numerous prior presidencies couldn't solve. I am surprised we didn't do more with the missile attacks but they seem to have stopped. We'll see where things go from here.