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Remember Jabril Peppers rookie year the joke was he lined up so deep he was in another city.
Now, I'm not saying he could do this as a linebacker, but, with everything else that exists on this defense,
If they put him there, ( If they put JOK at deepest safety), I like how it frees up everybody else on the defense.
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Among you, Jester, and I the three of us are closer to each other on this point than first appearances might suggest. Meaning he will be tasked with multiple assignments as any LB would be based on down and distance, opponent tendencies, etc. So he will likely cover TEs and fill/spill on outside runs, and zone blitz if called on to do so. I also think he'll be involved in some disguised coverages from the LB position, emphasis on the LB position. I suspect these will all be defined within the scheme and he'll have clear assignments. Then as he develops the way he is used will expand.
The idea has just popped into my head (shout out, to TL, lol) that we fans might be expecting too much from him immediately and as a result, could be setting ourselves up to be disappointed if his production doesn't meet up with those expectations. The difference between a rookie Polomalu and JOK is that I don't recall Troy coming into the league with the same jack-of-all-trades expectations.
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I would be hesitant to expect to much from JOK this season as he is still just a rookie. I can see the moving him around and letting him palomalu in a year or two bit that would be too much to ask of him this year. I agree. Some seem to think he is some sort of superman. The reality is he is a mid 2nd round pick. Emmanuel Ogbah was picked higher.
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I would be hesitant to expect to much from JOK this season as he is still just a rookie. I can see the moving him around and letting him palomalu in a year or two bit that would be too much to ask of him this year. I agree. Some seem to think he is some sort of superman. The reality is he is a mid 2nd round pick. Emmanuel Ogbah was picked higher.
I won't short change the guy but I sure won't be giving him props that he has not earned on the football field.
Also, what round or where a player is drafted in should have little bearing on the actual talent level of that player. JOK was a 1st round talent who fell to the second round due to rumored health concerns. JOK is still a 1st round talent unless those health concerns prove to be legit and affect his play on the field.
JOK's talent level will remain as a 1st rounder until something occurs to change his talent perception.
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Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to short change the kid. I am thrilled we selected him.
I am just not expecting the next LT out there.
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Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to short change the kid. I am thrilled we selected him.
I am just not expecting the next LT out there. Yup. Besides that, the draft is done an over with, and with that goes the accolades for anything unproven. Now, he's just another guy that needs to prove his worth. We've invested highly in him, so he'll be given every opportunity and then some, and while his roster spot is absolutely guaranteed, he still has to earn his playing time and prove he doesn't need to learn from the bench. He's just another "Nobody with Potential" until he proves otherwise.
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j/c...
I think the beauty of the pick JOK is that he is perfect in design for a player key into our defense.
Forget comparisons to Palu and others. Fact is he is going to be utilized in our defense as a LB who can blitz, cover and play the run sideline to sideline.
And we got the perfect LB to be along side of him in Anthony Walker who is only 25. These two can be roaming that middle for us for years. Forcing teams to go outside as we take away the vertical middle and we got an attack defense.
Great vertical leap and long arms will make JOK special. Him and Walker will be the answer to Lamar Jackson This league is about having perfect pieces of the puzzle. And that is exactly what we got in JOK.
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The whole concept behind Wood's defense is. Play in space.
The Base 4-2-5 and options off that including 4-1-6.
You must have the right personnel.
The safety's have to be dual. They have to cover and tackle well.
The linebackers have to be able to play in space.
They have to be able to play some zone and gap fill in run support.
This is where JOK fits. He can handle any responsibility and shut down a huge area. Plus blitz.
His strongest attribute is read RPO's which for the most part are run to the right. He has that ability cut in front of the OL block and take a quick angle to the runner. If the qb keeps. You are not going to get around him.
The one thing he does that he will have to tone down is gamble on the big hit. You can't miss tackles because you are trying to splatter a guy.
In the end JJ III and JOK will be huge.
Delpit and Harrison will IMO be more like SS.
This is my point about personnel is these guys must all be diverse in skills.
That is why continuity is so important. Get the guys who fit the scheme.
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Of course we can't assume young players can translate the skills they demonstrated in college to the NFL. Some do, others don't, and many take a few years to figure it out. The O-Linemen that JOK skirted so easily in college are mostly not in the NFL. The guys who are in the NFL are not so easily out played.
Don't get me wrong, I love that JOK is a Brown, and want to see our young players all stud out. The odds are against all of them doing so are pretty high though. And odds are also very high that the learning curve isn't smooth and friendly.
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It is a learning curve for all. No doubt.
You can't assume success. In this case it is about scheme. He is not traditional in stature for the position.
It is part of the reason he dropped. If they didn't envision a role for him. I don't think they would have drafted him. The first "talk" was about how they were drawing up plays for him.
A player can be used wrong. It happens.
I like his chances because IMO he is good fit for what Wood has described as his defense.
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It is a learning curve for all. No doubt.
You can't assume success. In this case it is about scheme. He is not traditional in stature for the position.
It is part of the reason he dropped. If they didn't envision a role for him. I don't think they would have drafted him. The first "talk" was about how they were drawing up plays for him.
A player can be used wrong. It happens.
I like his chances because IMO he is good fit for what Wood has described as his defense.
I agree. Funny. It sounds like a classic description of a system player. A player so many around here seem to dismiss.
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Listening to Joe Wood's press conference today.
Sounds like JOK is already making an impression.
I have been a part of some high level baseball camps.
You can see players flash early. Some guys just move different. As camp unfolds and more an more exposure happens. Comments will come out from coaches and other players.
Real talent stands out. I am sure that JOK will attrack attention.
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What I like on D is the veteran leadership even though some of those leaders are young in age but have the experience to be leaders.
Up the middle as over the years many dawgs have noted as important in the D.
veteran leadership:
DB JJ 3
LB Walker
DT Malik
I think Newsome and Ward provide good leadership even though Newsome is just a rookie.
Then of course we got Garrett and Javon.
I think we have team speed on D and all are eager to hit.
Shame we are probably facing the best Offense out there in Game #1 but its a good test.
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Next step real Camp. So, until camp opens not much if anything will happen.
From today's press conferences the thing that stood out was. Staff and scheme continuity.
What some other teams like the Steelers and Ravens have. We have not had. So, this off season and upcoming camp will be way different.
IMO so much was learned last year that will help this year. Same language and building upon instead of learning anew.
Some good in teaching methods may have come from zoom last year as well. In the end I believe it will show up in how we begin this season.
I am glad we have the Chiefs first. It will be a huge incentive to the team to start strong.
The vibe coming from all parties inside the Browns is work and prepare to win.
I love the attitude of high expectations but knowing only work will produce results.
Camp is not far off. I will be notching the days.
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You sound ready for some football, Bonefish!  I am ready as well. Camp is better than most sports summer. I am eager for the Browns to bring some pain and get some wins. 
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You sound ready for some football, Bonefish! I am ready as well. Camp is better than most sports summer. I am eager for the Browns to bring some pain and get some wins. Pretty sure we all are 
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