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Don't get me wrong I love what Derek has done so far this season but I still have questions. Has his success come from a drastically improved line and offensive scheme or is he playing over his head against inferior talent? Here are a few QBs that have got the one hit wonder stigma and make me wonder if Anderson is one of them. I'm sure there are more and if you want to expand the list feel free. Doug Williams Jim McMahon Rob Johnson Kordell Stewart Tommy Maddox Rex Grossman And two more we have alot of experiance with: Kelly Holcomb Trent Dilfer Now I'm not saying Anderson is better or worse than any of the above, just saying the court is still out and he has really not proven anything just yet. The next 3 games will tell us alot more about him than the last 3 have.   I'm a big Quinn pimp but if Derek can lead us to the promised land then he is my guy.  I still have questions if he can do that or is he a ONE HIT WONDER? 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Isn't it odd that half of those guys have played in Super Bowls?
3 of those won them.
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Isn't it odd that half of those guys have played in Super Bowls?
3 of those won them.
That's the good part Ytown, If he can do it over a decent period we could be looking at a Super Bowl berth.
The bad part is do you honestly believe he can? 
The bottom line is we have been told this rebuilding will not happen over night and what this year presents is only a stepping stone. In fact from what I understand this is a 5 year plan which means we have 2 more years to reach the goal of this plan.
Alot of things can change in 2 weeks let alone 2 years!
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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I don't know if he can or not. No one does for certain.
Could Doug Williams win a Super Bowl with the Redskins?
Could free spirited (at best) Jim McMahon win with the Bears?
How about (formerly) hapless Trent Dilfer? The Ravens were a QB away ..... and he fit their team.
Could Anderson? I don;t know. No one does for certain. Do I think he can? It gets harder to deny with each passing week.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Can't forget about Scott Mitchell who might be the all-time one hit wonder. Came in for Marino the season he blew his achilles out, and signed a hefty deal with Detroit the next year. Had a ton of weapons in Detroit - Moore, Morton, Barry...just couldn't do anything with that team.
Anderson has played VERY well this year, and I do not want to take anything away from him - but the jury should still be out, at least until the end of the season. Might just be the "Cleveland pessimist" in me, but I can see "bad Derek" come out when we may need him most in this stretch run.
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People are always and forever gonna question DA....He could win a Super Bowl go to the Pro Bowl be MVP and people on here would be asking ya that was nice but can he do it again. This debate will never end, if Brady takes over at some point people are gonna say see Told ya so he wasnt that good,
Thats just the way it is around here...nothing any player can do will ever be good enough to satisfy everybody...
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Isn't it odd that half of those guys have played in Super Bowls?
3 of those won them.
True, and 3 of them made the Superbowl because of strong Defenses, not their QB skills.
Hence why 2 ended up on other teams shortly after their SB appearance, and the 3rd has been on the bench the last few weeks. 
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I don't know that it matters at the moment whether or not he's the real deal..
I mean, I see your point Corpus, and yeah, he may be a one hit wonder but for right now, he's good enough to let Quinn sit and watch. Which by the way is more than we had a right to hope for.. Way more.
I honestly believe we are going to be more in the Kitna/Palmer mode than the Brees/Rivers mode of thinking here..
Remember,, Palmer was drafted,, Kitna lead Cincy to an 8-8 season while allowing Palmer to sit.
We are right at this moment, sitting in a good position to do the same or maybe even better.
Second year of Palmer,, he started.. and I don't remember what happened to Kitna. did He leave right then or did he sit behind Palmer a year then leave for Detroit? either way, he never played for Cincy again.
The difference in the two situations is that in this case, you have two young guys that both have upside.. Kitna was a veteran guy that was heading more towards the twilight of his career...or so it seemed at the time anyway.
Personally, it wouldn't bother me at all if at some point it was clearly determined that DA was the man to lead this team for the next 10 years and Quinn got traded.. it's ok with me because I don't have a man crush on either guy.. I just want the best guy to play for us..
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He sat behind Palmer for 2 years, and the Cinci O took a giant step back for the first 3/4's of the season until the light finally came on for Palmer.
Unless we're in a serious playoff push til the end, Quinn will need to get some time this year to get his feet wet. Of course, right now I'm not complaining about anything and don't mind him sitting if DA continues this (quite frankly I don't mind him sitting next year if DA keeps this up). I just think if we're really gonna go after the division next year and Quinn is our guy, he can't be learning on the fly without some experience under his belt.
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Now I'm not saying Anderson is better or worse than any of the above, just saying the court is still out and he has really not proven anything just yet. The next 3 games will tell us alot more about him than the last 3 have.
The next three games will tell us more about him, but they won't tell us more than the last three have. You can't pick and choose games. You have to look at ALL the games not just the ones you choose to. DA is going to look better than he is against a weak D, and worse than he is against a great D. They truth lays in the middle of the two.
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Has his success come from a drastically improved line and offensive scheme or is he playing over his head against inferior talent?
Corpus...so your two choices are Anderson's success is due to improved Oline and offensive scheme...or...he's playing against inferiors talent.
And you started with, "Don't get me wrong"
Then you go on to list your "one hit wonders" QBs...some who have played in and helped their teams win Super Bowls, and you label them as one hit wonders....and you hope Anderson is not one of those..a one hit wonder.
You do admit your a big Brady Quinn pimp.
It really is hard to hide where you are coming from. I just wish Browns fans cared about the team's results more than any one person.
Getting back to that one comment about Anderson's success being due to a vastly improved offensive line...for years now I have had a favorite but very true saying concerning the Browns and football in general...
...I have said many times, we can't even tell how good our skilled offensive players are if we don't have a good offensive line...
If ever there were a more truthful statement regarding football on the offensive side, my statement hit the mark.
With the Browns past, poor offensive lines, we couldn't tell how good our QBs were, how good our RBs were, and if the QB doesn't have time to throw the ball, the WR will never play to their potential.
Oh, and something else, regardless of what offensive system a team puts in, if you don't have an offensive line that can't protect the QB or run block, the offensive system is going to suck, too.
Going back and reviewing Anderson's college history...he was a damned good college QB. Here is some of his Browns bio...
...A three-year starter at Oregon State and was the first QB to lead the team to three bowl games during the school’s 112-year history…Possesses 20 of the top 50 passing marks (281 yards or more) in OSU annals…Only the second player in Pac-10 Conference history to throw for over 4,000 yards in a season ....
It sure looks like Anderson had the ability to be a good QB coming out of college. And add to this, Anderson's size, 6-6 and 230.
I'm happy with winning and winning matters more to me than Brady Quinn or any other single player on the team.
For you Brady Quinn fans, keep in mind he is one play away from getting a shot to show what he can do.
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Now I'm not saying Anderson is better or worse than any of the above, just saying the court is still out and he has really not proven anything just yet.
If it were Quinn putting up the same numbers, would the "court still be out" and would you have started a thread like this?
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I'm afraid that DA is a one-hit wonder as well, especially who his "hits" have been against. Fortunately, I think our FO is intelligent enough not to pull a Favre with Quinn and trade away a possible stud QB without seeing him take a snap in the league. The only way I have a problem with DA is if we keep him and unload Quinn. If we can trade him away after the season for a Day 1 pick that we use to snag a defensive lineman, then I say let the hits keep on coming.  I don't care if DA eventually comes back to earth so long as he's not on our team when he does or if he is, that we have a capable replacement in Quinn still around.
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Corpus...so your two choices are Anderson's success is due to improved Oline and offensive scheme...or...he's playing against inferiors talent.
And you started with, "Don't get me wrong"
Then you go on to list your "one hit wonders" QBs...some who have played in and helped their teams win Super Bowls, and you label them as one hit wonders....and you hope Anderson is not one of those..a one hit wonder.
You do admit your a big Brady Quinn pimp.
It really is hard to hide where you are coming from. I just wish Browns fans cared about the team's results more than any one person.
And I actually agree with your assessment on Corpus's agenda...even if he doesn't know he has one.
However, agenda or not, it's a valid post and a valid question.
If DA makes it to the end of the season playing like he's playing now, I'd like to re-examine the list of one hit wonders above and see how many did it over the course of a full season. Or if someone wants to do that now, feel free...
That might be a good indicator of where DA stands amongst these guys...I didn't see Rypien on the list. DA's season kind of reminds me of his SB season with the Skins so far, if my recollection serves me correctly. If I remember correctly, Rypien put up some great numbers that year and then I don't remember much from after that...or before that.
I'm worried about DA being a one-hit wonder only because we can't afford to get this decision wrong. Not at all.
It's a valid concern even if we are winning right now. And trust me, I'm enjoying the hell out of it.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Weather he's a one hit wonder or not is something we're not sure of...but he's certainly earned the right to have more of the album listenned to.
We have another artist waiting in the wings...but we don't quite know what kind of tunes he'll be able to play. So, until the current music sours we stick with the current musician.
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I would still love to know how you are so sure Quinn is going to be so good. Both you and Corpus talk as if you can't wait for Anderson to fail, why? Are you in love with Quinn, or have some other agenda. As for Corpus, he discounts Anderson's accomplishments and uses a good Oline and weak schedule for reasons. Who the hell have NE played besides Dallas. If you are going to use that formula for a reason for success, you could also apply it to Brady, Rothlisburger, and some others. At least Manning has played a decent schedule. If Anderson takes this team to the playoffs, are you guys going to be pissed? If they do make the playoffs and lose are you going to blame DA and preach that Quinn would have won?  Give the guy some credit, he's performing at a high level in the NFL, whatever kind of handicap you want to apply to him, he's still doing it. I hope Quinn is the second coming of Joe Montana, but until he plays, he's nobody. Anderson is playing and producing for our team, why can't you guys just enjoy it? Or is it as the poster above said, more a a player thing with you? 
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Are you kidding me? Like I said before, Montana got his padded stats playing the Falcons, Rams and Saints twice a year. They shouldn't even count. I want a qb that plays consistantly great against the best D's in the league.
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One hit wonder? Maybe, maybe not. We'll see. I haven't been this excited about a Browns team in a loooong time. Let me enjoy this. 
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If you don't know how it's supposed to work?
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How can you say that about Montana? How many super bowl rings does he have? ( I think it's three,)
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I agree with you one hundred percent. We have some serious weapons on offence, and I personally think Anderson is going to get better. Now we just need to fix the D, Even if the competition is weak, they are still NFL teams.
If our team continues to jel, we will soon be beating top tier teams as well. Remember, Anderson, Edwards, Winslow, Thomas, Steinbeck, Harrison, Wright, are all young.
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Oops I forgot to mention Quinn
I think we should keep Quinn and Anderson both next year.
Good depth and healthy competition,
I just hope we can afford them both.
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How can you say that about Montana? How many super bowl rings does he have? ( I think it's three,)
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Oops my bad. I need to get my specs checked, my wits must be a little slow. My apologies to jfanent. I get your point now, and it's a very good one,
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Wow it seems like half of the Browns fans want Anderson to fail.
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Wow it seems like half of the Browns fans want Anderson to fail.
Thats all many of the fans know is failure, many dont know how to react when something goes right, 
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Wow it seems like half of the Browns fans want Anderson to fail.
Wow who the hell said they want Anderson to fail? 
There is a big difference between wanting a guy to fail and truly seeing a guy that has a possiblity to fail. Many of you seem to forget that just a few weeks ago Derek was viewed as an untradable piece of crap, and some of the people that said that all of a sudden are on the Anderson band wagon. 
I actually like Anderson as our starter alot better than Frye and have felt that way since last season but in the same breath we have a 20 million dollar QB sitting on the pine that more likely than not will be our starter for years to come and in my opinion will help lead this franchise to the the real goal, a SUPER BOWL.
IMO if Quinn rides the pine this entire season we have set ourselves back by one full season of that ultimate goal. We have to do it sooner or later and it has to happen before any real decision on Andersons future can be made.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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