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We aren't deserting the people that helped us fight our war. This time. I know that sounds terrible to your kind.

We already did desert them. This is something that should have happened over a decade ago. Many of those people who were informants and help the US who subsequently tried to move out had to go through so much bureaucracy and red tape, often times denied, were eventually tracked down and killed.

There certainly have been victims already. But can you imagine just how much worse it would be if we totally pulled out of Afghanistan and left all of these people behind? At least this time we're making an attempt to help these people. I'm just happy to see it isn't happening yet again.

Yes, twenty years later we're now trying to help out. Good for the remaining few. How nice of us.

The below talks about this simply referencing translators from 2014.

War is war, and as I found out when I was young, political wars are worse.

It is what it is. You can't bring back those who have already fallen. All you can do is take care of those who are left.

I do have some concerns. Just because someone is deemed friendly, doesn't mean that they are. Maybe we were just the best choice at the time. The better of 2 bad choices in their view.

We can see that in how we deal with various countries and rulers. The Shah of Iran as an example wasn't a good choice for us, but he was better than the alternative options.

I know in your incessant fervor you consider 20,000 a "few". I've made it clear that I strongly disapprove of the way these things have been handled in the past. Actually, for me dating all the way back to Vietnam.

However, that doesn't mean I can't be happy about seeing that pattern change in this particular situation.

Door to door?



Republicans Slam Biden's Door-to-Door Vaccine Plan
(C-SPAN)

By Eric Mack

Tuesday, 06 July 2021



The Biden administration came up short of its goal to have 70 percent of all adult Americans receive at least one COVID-19 vaccination by July 4. So on Tuesday it rolled out a new plan to take vaccination "door-to-door" and hopefully bolster flagging participation.

But even as the White House worries of a virus resurgence because of the more contagious Delta variant of COVID, its latest plan isn't sitting well with many, particularly among conservative Republicans.

Indeed, critics were quick to pan it as overly intrusive.

"Now we need to go community to community, neighborhood by neighborhood, and oft-times door to door, literally knocking on doors to get help to the remaining people," President Joe Biden said in a press conference Tuesday afternoon.

The White House has been championing participation in vaccination for months, saying the injections underwent rigorous scientific review and are safe for the vast majority of recipients.

The "targeted community-by-community, door-to-door outreach" to increase COVID-19 vaccine awareness was highlighted as the first of a five-step vaccination outreach plan, Biden press secretary Jen Psaki said at the daily press briefing.

Psaki said the initial piece of the plan is "to get remaining Americans vaccinated by ensuring they have the information they need on how both safe and accessible the vaccine is."

The other pieces of the plan:

Vaccine distribution to primary-care physicians.

Vaccine distribution to pediatricians to reach children 12-18.

Work-place vaccination clinics.

Mobile vaccination clinics.

Immunization rates have fallen off though, despite the president's plans and attempts at sounding an encouraging message. Many remain convinced that the COVID risks are overstated, or that the side effects seen with some vaccinations merit greater caution and examination. There also remain some who feel the vaccines were rolled out too quickly to have been thoroughly tested.

The door-to-door component of Biden's new plan quickly came under attack among congressional Republicans, who in this case largely derided the idea as a stark example of government overreach.

Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., called it a governmental invasion of privacy, tweeting:

"It's NONE of the governments business knowing who has or hasn't been vaccinated."

Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., noted the outreach is going to be unpopular with conservatives, tweeting:

"A lot of people have big government antibodies. Don't knock on those doors."

Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo., tweeted she holds a pro-choice vaccination position: A similar position had many Americans objecting to being urged to wear masks as the pandemic raged, with some questioning even the scientists and medical personnel advocating for the protective gear.

On Tuesday, Boebert's tweet on door-to-door vaccination had this to say:

"The government now wants to go door-to-door to convince you to get an 'optional' vaccine."

Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, tweeted he would like to be "left" out, conjuring the image of government improperly assuming a parental role:

"How about don't knock on my door. You're not my parents. You're the government. Make the vaccine available, and let people be free to choose. Why is that concept so hard for the left?"

Criticism was not restricted to incumbents. Conservatives who are seeking 2022 election and not currently in Congress felt inclined to slam the door on the door-to-door plan.

Running for Senate, former Rep. Sean Parnell, R-Pa., tweeted a simple message of opposition.

"Hell no."

For his part, GOP strategist Matt Whitlock mocked the plan as the "Beto O'Rourke of vaccine outreach," saying whoever came up with it should be fired. He tweeted:

"Whoever suggested that the best way to reach remaining vaccine skeptics was to talk about going door to door should be fired immediately. It's the Beto O'Rourke of vaccine outreach"

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/doortod...br=010104h25met

Of course they would be against trying to stomp out a virus that's killed over 600k Americans. It's a continuation of Trumpism.

Who knew knocking on your door was an invasion of your privacy?

As if going door to door was tantamount to forcing the vaccine on people who refuse to take it... just another shadow fear red meat article for the base base mentality.

That being said, I think the admin should focus more on vaccine availability. It's been a monumental effort to get the vaccine out and the initial kinks out of the system. At this point, the limiting factor is people willing to get an appointment and show up. There comes a point when govt just can't push the needle any more.

I don't get to say this often about our govt, but they did about as good a job as can be expected given the circumstances. We are way ahead of many countries in terms of being vaccinated vs COVID.

Actually a lot of vaccine sites are now walk in with no appointment needed. Many sites have been made available in rural areas so people have access. I still see people interviewed that say something to the effect of, "Well I've been meaning to get one. I just haven't done it yet".

I live in a state where the vaccination rate is low. Many of the surrounding states have increasing numbers of new cases being reported due to the Delta variant.

There's always room for improvement but much like yourself I think a pretty good job has been done to make these vaccinations available for those who have been motivated enough to get them.

I don't know if he can walk back his "70%" thing, but I would try if I were him. Govt has seriously done all that it could to hit that number. The only thing left would be to round people up and strap them down to give them their shots. They were throwing money at people (lotteries) to get the vaccines, for pete sake. No sense getting grief for something that's now pretty much out of your control.

I think walking it back would be a mistake. I mean the fact is that is pretty much the number to achieve herd immunity. To say otherwise would be dishonest and a failure to try and reach the number needed to wipe this thing out.

I don't expect total honesty from any politician. I've been around long enough to know better. But in a national and global emergency, I would hope for honesty and working towards the goal of solving the problem. As we see now, most of the states with the lowest vaccination rates are having an increasing number of new cases reported due to the latest Delta variant.

Viruses will evolve, develop, change and grow stronger over time. That's simply the way they have always worked. It isn't anything new. So I do want a president that tells us the truth about that and willing to do everything within his power to achieve the goal it takes to stop it. Even if he can't get enough Americans to get the vaccine to accomplish that goal.

To some extent we see the government backtracking in one way. We have seen them open things up well before reaching that 70% goal. Of course we also see cases increasing due to the Delta variant and it won't be the last, even stronger variant that we face. At some point you have to let natural selection take over.

OR... Just another really, really stupid idea!

Or a president that gives a damn and is trying his best to protect as many as he can... but let's not give the man credit when credit is due.

No credit for stupid ideas. Anyone with three brain cells can come up with a stupid idea. Do you think there are people behind the doors that haven't heard of Covid????? Those are about the only people this would help. Lets spend 35 billion dollars and vaccinate another 750 people, that way everyone else can be sure that "Joe really cares".

You don't know that. There are a lot of misinformed people out there, there are a lot of young people who maybe thought they don't need it or never took time because it wasn't as serious to them, there are people who may not have been able to get to or find available shots early on and never followed through... But since you are an expert, why don't you tell me how none of these people exist because you want to call Biden stupid. Come on man, you are better than this. It's fine to not like him and criticize his idea, but you can't remotely say it WON'T help. And so what if you only get so many more, one vaccination might be what stops the variant mutation that undoes all the progress that's been made from happening in the first place...

I agree. That is just moronic. Everybody knows about Covid.

You can get shots without appointment and they are available.

If people don't want them, they aren't going to get them. Now it is similar to getting a flu shot every year. We are told to do so, and many do. Yet many don't.

Some people don't believe in them or aren't in a demographic that is seemingly vulnerable.

Most people who died are over 50 or so and most had other conditions that compromised them to a larger degree. I'd say most in that group got vaccinated, and some day when people start getting to that age, they probably will too.

I get a flu shot every year. I am at a age when it can have serious consequences. I didn't start getting them until I was in my early 50's. I caught it a few times over the years but got over it ok over the usual 2-3 day lay-up.

There is some immunity to this thing nobody really talks about. Yes, we hear about the thousands who died, and we should. However, how many had it and survived, and more to my point, how many caught it but never got sick to any degree? This thing doesn't drop dead everybody.

Being a new virus , it is going to have serious effects with zero exposure on a worldwide basis. Now that it has made it's rounds, people have had exposure. Our medical professionals now have better means to treat the seriously ill, and we have a vaccine that shows solid results.

I'd say the President should tout everybody's efforts, still encourage people to get the shot, and play up the percentage of the population who are most vulnerable who have received the vaccine.

But to keep dragging this out is folly. It is getting to the point it could be used as a distraction. I am not ready to say it is at that point, but it could become that.

So there's a variant mutation that will undo all the work that's been done by infecting vaccinated people... and we'll somehow prevent that by going door-to-door with the same vaccine.

Wow. Gotcha. In that case send the census bureau out first so we can be sure they'll be home.

Oh I can see you think that variants are a non threat. I think you will say anything to make your point. So instead of considering or admitting how it might actually help, you'd rather poop on Biden at all cost. I see you.

So you would rather save the bucks and I get that. Are you paying for it? Do you think your taxes are paying for it? And how much would another year of shut down and isolation cost? I mean if you are counting beans, don't forget to factor that little tidbit into the calculus.

Me, I think "door to door" is probably the least effective way to get those shots out there to those who can't be bothered to protect themselves and people around them. And no amount of money will fix the stupid on the right when it comes to the politicization of covid and the vaccines, I get that. But what price do we put on saving lives? what's the price point that is just too much? What effort is just too much? What wouldn't you do or pay to save a loved one?

And finally, only if you want to answer; Are you vaccinated?

The variants will make their rounds and I'm sure we'll see some small spikes. Should be happening any day now though with as many people that were traveling and mingling over the Holiday. Gonna be hard to prop this b*itch up if they don't.

Not really sure what any of that has to do with going door-to-door with vaccines. Sorry, I think you're really reaching there. There is no "another year of shutdowns" where we sit back and say "if only we would have gone door-to-door". Literally as close to impossible as possible.

Covid is over. At least the threat of any exponential numbers and shutdowns. I said it right here at Easter... "It will be an afterthought by Independence Day." The whole bleeding-heart "but if we can just help one more person...", is the way our society operates now, so I can't really fault you for following suit. At what cost, pfftt, who cares, I guess that's the mentality we're all supposed to have as well.

I am vaccinated. With 100% authentic Covid antibodies. The same as millions of others all over the planet. Thankfully, European nations are beginning to recognize the elephant in the room and classify those that have been infected right along with those that have been given a less effective vaccine. I guess there's a slim chance that could carry over to the USA if we can get our heads out of our a$$es and quit playing politics.

Spoken like someone who has drank the propaganda and lives it.
There is not one thing Biden and his henchmen have done that has helped anybody in this country. You call the GOP facists, maybe you should look up the definition.

Anyway... this is real news about cause and effect, not some dumb statement about saving BBQ grillers 16 cents on their party or some fairy tale door-to-door vaccine campaign.

Pushing a narrative and not being afraid to bite the hand that feeds has it's consequences. One would argue (rightfully so) that the Keystone should have nothing to do with surging prices at the pump. Bottom line, we are long past an economy based simply on supply and demand. It's based on manipulation of supply and creating demand by falsely restricting supply; worse than this, the speculation of the "powers that be" actually doing so.

We might want to ease on the "tough talk" and endless attempts to earn worthless brownie points in the polls when true liberation from fossil fuels is decades away...



Biden’s pipeline perfidy: The U.S. faces a Keystone XL cancellation penalty

By THE WASHINGTON TIMES - - Tuesday, July 6, 2021
ANALYSIS/OPINION:

Auto owners are well aware that smooth motoring without jackrabbit starts and stops is the most efficient way to drive. The same goes for implementing national energy policy, but President Biden is demonstrating that he isn’t keen on efficiency. Decisions he has made meant to decelerate the use of fossil fuels are already costing Americans dearly, and Uncle Sam could wind up paying a heavy price as well.

Mr. Biden’s abrupt cancellation of the Keystone XL pipeline has set an ominous tone for the future of affordable fuel, as well as prudent management of the nation’s finances. His attempt to ban new oil and gas leases on public lands and offshore waters are equally ill-considered.

TC Energy, the Canadian builders of the now-terminated Keystone XL, announced last week it had informed the U.S. Department of State of its intent to file a claim for “damages that it has suffered as a result of the U.S. Government’s breach of its [North American Free Trade Agreement] obligations.” The size of the claim: $15 billion.

Americans generally rally to the red, white and blue and only handle Canada’s red maple leaf with a rake. Fairness, however, says killing a project that occupied Canadians for a decade deserves compensation. The sky-high penalty should be charged to the Biden account — U.S. consumers are already shelling out at street-level from the president’s decision to drive up the cost of fossil fuels.

To wit: Independence Day holiday travelers suffered the highest gas prices in seven years. The average cost for a gallon of regular nationwide topped $3.13 — a 44 percent surge above a year ago. The rapid easing of coronavirus pandemic fears added near-record demand to holiday travel costs, but even a month ago, drivers were already paying a steep $3.05.

As a general rule, each one-cent increase in the gas price siphons around $1 billion from the pockets of U.S. consumers. Though the president promises to avoid raising taxes on the nation’s lower and middle classes, hiking their living costs results in the same sort of financial damage. Thanks a lot, Uncle Joe.

Fortunately, a separate Biden attack on the nation’s energy supply has been stymied, at least temporarily. In a case filed in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Louisiana, Judge Terry Doughty granted a preliminary injunction in June, blocking Mr. Biden’s Jan. 27 executive order banning new oil and gas drilling leases. He cited the impact such a prohibition would have on state and local government functions, which rely on tax revenue derived from the leases.

It is a perfidious policy that cancels the Keystone XL pipeline and attempts to block access to the nation’s fuel resources. Mr. Biden is, in effect, mumbling the rallying cry of the anti-fossil fuel left: “Leave it in the ground.” Doing so would ground the U.S. economy, and that’s a price Americans should refuse to pay.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/202...V007aGss0pJMOF8

Simple minds don't think about what happens next.

Not really accurate at all regards this example. There are choices concerning the environment and the economy and a balance has to be achieved. One hatchet report from a far right publication doesn't close the case. Any decision regards the environment has financial implications. Some don't think there should be any restrictions placed on companies - some think there should be extreme restrictions. Some are in the middle. Stopping the keystone project is hardly an extremist environmental action/perspective. A lot of people with a political 'middle of the road' perspective do not support the project.

As for simple minds and what happens next: We did have a great example of that when Trump decided to create a trade war with China that he could never win. A trade war that cost us BILLIONS and by some estimates over 240,000 jobs. And the net gain? Not much at all, if anything. So yes you are right - simple minds don't think about what happens next - it's just that the Pipeline is not a good example.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t...y-idUSKBN29J2O9

Unemployment for all class of people were at all-time lows when Trump was President.

Anyway, it doesn't matter now.

Some time back I talked about inflation with little fan fare.

Anybody not see or feel it yet?

Only on DT'ers do you have what are educated and what used to be rational people, attack ideas to try and save as many American lives as possible.

Murica!

It just disappeared once the weather started getting warm. Oops, no it didn't. I mean if you want to discuss stupid.

What the hell has that got to do with Trump not being smart enough to think about what happens next?

As for the Trump statistics. . . . A picture paints a thousand words.

That shows a steady decline in black employment rates.

I am not sure what that tells me.

Give it some thought and you will understand

You might have to dumb it down 888, I mean 'simple minds' after all...

Yes the GOP is now neo-fascist. I know the definition and Trumpian/Q/republicans fit the definition. Sorry about your feelings... but I don't care.

It shows this is not true.

You missed the UN at the top....black employment rose.

Actually my intent was to show context.

Under Obama Black Unemployment went from a peak of 17% to about 8%. A huge change. Under Trump it went from about 8% to just under 7% in 2017 (per graph). Still an improvement but a very slight change.

If you want to use the 13.75% at the start of the graph instead of the 17% the story is the same - though I'd argue the financial collapse was not Obama's to own.

Another good link is here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/

Personally I would ignore all the bad statistics that were the result of the pandemic. If you ignore that - it shows Trump did about as well as Obama. There is one glaring difference - Obama took over a chit sandwich - Trump inherited an economy that was going gangbusters. This is factual data and not refutable - some choose to acknowledge - others just praise Trump.

To get more on point about the state of affairs...a good read on inflation and wages. A little long to post as text.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...5?ocid=msedgntp

When the supply and demand system works the way you said it did all along.....