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Wow, I can't believe I'm posting an Andy Ngo tweet! He may be a bigot, I'm not 100% sure on that but he is definitely trying to stir up white trumpian emotions.





I have no idea what this is all about but it is blowing up on twitter this morning.

Well we can see what the Trumpian spin is going to be:



How is this on the dems Hannity?
lmao and smh

I had no idea that the NFL owners who make such decisions were Democrats.

When are they just going to admit that black people were not a part of "American Independence" in 1776 and that making that fact obvious to all is simply telling our actual history.

What is, the Black National Anthem?

Lift Every Voice and Sing.

Politics in sports will be its downfall.

It's sad that you think being honest about America's history is political.

I don't get what you mean by " being honest about our history"/ since when has any history been "honest". Historians don't get all the facts, or the whole story- never happened.

I'd bet a buck if you asked most "blacks" in the street what the so called "Black National Anthem" was....most would have no clue.
I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Hope that doesn't make me racist.

I'm all for All Lives Matter, I dislike the term Black Lives Matter because it highlights ONLY black lives lost to "racist cops/ authorities. Yet it is all right and not ever to be mentioned blacks kill more blacks in a year in Chicago than all blacks killed by cops in Chicago in hundred years. Making a martyr out of George Floyd, as a guiding light for the black community is just wrong. He should have never been killed/murdered....please don't make him into someone he wasn't.

Let me ask you this. Are you saying that because the complete history of the black race hasn't been brought to the forefront and taught, that we shouldn't do that?

It sounds like that age old excuse of, "That's just the way things are". We have an opportunity to change things to include more truth in our history. Yet some object to more facts being told. There's no logical explanation why someone would say that.

As far as BLM. Why does it bother you so much that black people wish to bring attention to the fact that by a huge majority it is them who are the victims of the being killed by the cops? That they receive much longer sentences on average than white people who are convicted of the same crimes?

I have to agree with you that the far left does a terrible job of marketing their message but it doesn't change what their message is.

George Floyd was a man that was murdered by the police. He wasn't committing any crime deserving of the death penalty by a cop. Those are basic facts. It was unjust and the fact he is the poster of that shouldn't bother anyone. The sad part is that it had to be recorded for over nine minutes for a cop to be convicted. Otherwise Chauvin still would have committed murder, but he would be free right now and still wearing a badge.

If true, this will create more tension than it solves.

Be careful with what you do and say, this one may not turn out well.

A black national anthem segregates black people. I am against segregation.

And what nation are we talking about?

This one....

Complete version of "The Star-Spangled Banner" showing spelling and punctuation from Francis Scott Key's manuscript in the Maryland Historical Society collection.

O say can you see, by the dawn's early light, What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming, Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight O'er the ramparts we watch'd were so gallantly streaming? And the rocket's red glare, the bomb bursting in air, Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there, O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes, What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep, As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses? Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam, In full glory reflected now shines in the stream, 'Tis the star-spangled banner - O long may it wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore, That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion A home and a Country should leave us no more? Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation! Blest with vict'ry and peace may the heav'n rescued land Praise the power that hath made and preserv'd us a nation! Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, And this be our motto - "In God is our trust," And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Pointing out the obvious difference of "being free and not being free" is a factual account, not segregation.

I'm not for Black National Anthem, because I think we, Americans, have one National Anthem- next do we have a Spanish National Anthem, Vietnamize National Anthem, Chinese, etc, etc.

Historians NEVER get the total story, how thick would books be- important history, like the black leaders during Reconstruction being lynched/ run out of office, etc should be taught.

Floyd was an ex-con, he passed fake money and got himself killed by a racist cop- JMHO, the [censored] who watched for nine minutes, and didn't have guts to stop the murder deserve some of the blame- his fellow cops, should and need to go to jail.

The whole BLM movement makes blacks separate rather than inclusive. Every minority will want to have their moment to march. It gets old.

It's funny that I don't recall you or other Trumpians saying this crap when Trump took politics into the NFL with his anti-kneeling or bigoted attacks on BLM protests. Nope y'all reveled in it. IMHO this is poetic justice and beyond that I couldn't care less.

If you think it's old, maybe try waiting 500 years to be treated as an equal, talk about getting old. No, what this represents is discomfort to those who are used to things a certain way, like those blacks knowing their place... smh

This is not an assault on you or your views hitt. This is about the constant covering for the shady ass past in America and why so many just can't accept that blacks, indians, chinese, japanese, and many immigrants of all colors and nationalities have had to face injustices in the name of white christian Murica.

It cracks me up that things like this get GOPer panties in a wad on this board BUT nazis with torches chanting jews will not replace us in Charlottesville was 'good people on both sides"... Do you people EVER hear yourselves?

Just stop.

This has nothing to do with Nazi's or any other rubbish.

It isn't a national anthem and shouldn't be called anything of the sort, nor should be played in the same standing.

I maintain my position that calling it such segregates black people from the rest of the nation. In my mind it is doing everything African Americans say they don't want.

Very perplexing and disturbing.

Have any of you ever actually heard the black national anthem?

It really is just a song that actually speaks to all Americans. I didn’t even know it was considered the black national anthem until recently. I just thought it was a beautiful song.

It’s most certainly more representative of this country than if you look at the actual national anthem in its entirety.

But not surprised people have a problem with it. A lot of people who don’t like the anthem being considered for this roll tend to be the same people who don’t understand why HBCUs are a thing.

Ya know…cause HBCUs exist cause whites didn’t want us in the same school as them. And yet anybody is allowed to go to an HBCU.

This anthem is embraced by us cause the star spangled banner actually isn’t for us. And yet our anthem is for all Americans. Not just those with a certain…heritage.

Imma need the “know your history” crowd to actually start knowing your history.

It is odd isn't it? How could people not understand that a song that celebrates being free is something those who were not free at the time it was adopted feels that song does not represent them? No other race was enslaved at the time so bringing up other races is foolish.

And if they want to talk about segregation during that time period, they should be talking about Native Americans. They were segregated pretty well.

And of course we can't teach much about that part of history because it would make our history books too thick.

It is a beautiful song and much more pleasant to listen to than the Star Spangled Banner, but I don't see it as a song for all Americans and in not representative of every aspect of this country, it's history, or the people that now inhabit it. It really feel it is a song specifically for and about the ancestors of slaves in the United States that were subjected to unfair treatment by the U.S. Government for generations. Nothing wrong with that, it's just doesn't have the same historic relevance to everyone.

I really don't have any particular devotion to a song or cloth on a stick that makes me feel offended that other people dislike those things, but I am curious why you have a problem with the Star Spangled Banner. It's not a great song, but I really don't see anything divisive in the lyrics and I don't know a lot about its history.

What is your beef with the Star Spangled Banner?

i dont have a personal problem with the banner.

but i also don't have a problem with change. something different. i also don't accept traditions and culture norms without understanding why i must accept them. i don't do the whole "that's just the way it is". nah, i need a reason why.

so what do i know? well, i know that the anthem comes from a poem written in 1814, during the the american-british war of 1812. the author was talking specifically about a battle against the british at a military base. if you read the poem in its entirety, he definitely makes a distinction between hireling, slave, and freedmen. and none of us has to think too hard about who he considered "Freedmen"...

the first stanza, which the country as a whole appropriated for the national anthem?

no problems with it. human beings appropriate things all the time, good to bad, bad to good.

but to claim its representative of every aspect of this country is definitely false.

but "lift every voice and sing"? dubbed the black national anthem?

how is that NOT representative of america as we see today? how does that not speak the injustices and ethnic cleansing done to the indigenous tribes? how does that not speak to the plight of the black slave/freed man? how does that not speak to the chinese and how they were treated when they arrive? or the irish and the italians? or the women since LITERALLY ever? or yes, even poor whites and the mistreatment of the federal government? the ongoing fight for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

its damn sure more representative of the REAL history of this country over the star spangled banner. it speaks to the very FACT that even despite the mistreatment of so many different demographics, we rise as a people to still fight for the very ideals that THIS country was supposed to be founded on.

and thats the difference. the star spangled banner represents america's independence from the crown.

the black national anthem represents the ongoing struggle of all demographics to fight for the glory and honor of being treated as real americans.

one is external propaganda. the other is real nationalism.

Thank you for putting it as you did.

It's referred to as the "Black National Anthem" not to supplant the John Stafford Smith composition, but give note that Black Americans from coast to coast in every social stratum unite in the spirit of the text. And as was already mentioned, from colleges to cuisine to even this stirring work, Black Americans welcome any and all who feel the same hope for our collective future.

Every Feb, on the last Sunday in the month, I play a performance at St. Martin De Porres Catholic church, about 6 min from my home. It's a central city church with an incredibly diverse congregation. The program is a celebration of Black History Month. We have played there now for 30 years in a row. Lockdown was just 2 weeks after our 2020 show. It was one of the last things we did for the season.

We have ended every single performance with 'Lift Ev'ry Voice,' and I'm telling you Swish- that piece changes hearts every time. We play all the verses, each repetition a bit louder. (It's a great arrangement! So well-written...) The last verse- you can almost feel the rafters shaking. As loud and as joyous as any rock concert you might attend. Those people, of every hue and ethnicity charge out of that historic old place ready to fix the entire world.

It is a song of humility
It is a song of struggle
It is a song of triumph
And ultimately, it is a song of Hope.

I dearly love the thing, and I've never grown tired of it. I sang what I could of it in church when I was a shorty, and grew up with it ringing in my ears. As an old man, I'll sing what I can of it and never stop until I'm no more.

Thank you for sharing.
Spot on-point.

That sucks about those parts of the Star Spangled Banner. I didn't know about that. Maybe it should be replaced.

Well said, and I agree.

However, it isn't the national anthem.

I don't have a problem with it being played. What is the song title, Lift every voice? call it that, and play is much like America the beautiful is played.

People that lie and follow a golden toilet man will be the downfall......

And there we have it. "It is what it is."

A number of years ago, there was a move to make God Bless America written by Irving Berlin the national anthem.

This Land in Your Land was written in protest of its lyrics and intent by Woodie Guthrie.

History repeats itself.

It's officially called "Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing."
It is only referred to as the Black national anthem rhetorically.

This should not be a problem for anyone.

You know how snowflakes can be.

Agree, it isn't the current National Anthem. I'm 73, it, Star Spangled Banner has been the national anthem since March 1931- there were lots of other contenders- JMHO, the current national anthem probably will last for the remainder of my life. If future generations of Americans decide it isn't appropriate....fine by me.

We are nearing 450 years of existence- and a world leader for several hundred years. In prospective, Rome lasted as a power for almost 1500 years. Wonder how long the American experiment will last. Peace to all

I think you mean 250 years of existence. Compared to many nations we are no more than an infant.

Fact check of literally everything, means this is false.

My only issue with it, is it's another 3 damn minutes I have to wait until the game starts.

Why do we even need a national anthem, isn't The Pledge enough of a patriotic reciting?

Hopefully they will just start the whole thing 3 minutes earlier.. and think of the drama that will be created when fans get to pick and choose which song they stand for and which one they sit for and then the booing.. probably be some fights in the stands over it.. should provide all of the sports talking heads and podcasters an endless array of things to talk about.

I don't have a problem as you explain it. If people, as it was in the title of the thread call it a black national anthem, then I do. There is only one anthem, if this song is looked at as a black national anthem, it segregates black Americans from the rest, and I don't agree with that.

How about segregating whites from the rest, I think that is the real goal. If there is a black nationl anthem, what are it's borders? Same as my borders?
If there is a black national anthem, is this black nation accomidating to white identity to the same level as the USA is accomidting to black identidy or, is it a hate group, or just a separatist group.
I have seen, some things, I forget where I saw or heard it where some person, happened to be a black lady I think, was proclaiming that if someone sees someone carrying the USA flag, that they are carring a hate flag, or that's the sentiment I got from their comments, or gist of it.

So, I mean, it's all separatist, it's sure not bringing anyone together, it's not integration to destroy white identity through cancel culture.

Yet, today I'm kind of feeling support for this black national anthem, kind of a cool idea, just not at the destruction of white identity, when well maybe we should have a white national anthem you know equality equal opportunity all of that.
Can Prince's Purple Rain be the white national anthem? just throwing it out there, Regular National anthem, black national anthem, and then Prince's Purple Rain for the white folks. (I haven't given it much thought, as to the song choice, that seems as good as any).

aww well, NFL I'm glad they are only doing it one game, because we had players wearing pink for breast cancer fighting against it, for a whole month in c2017.

Edit: I have since looked up the lyrics to purple rain for the first time ever, and it's weirdly +oddly fitting and the online mentions an end of the world theme, or meaning, and revolution
I'm not that smart, I didn't come up with that on my own it was just kind of in my head at the time oh well, never listend to the words before just the song.

My math was better when I was young. Yes you got the drift.

Maybe a bit of clarification to your posted info. Maybe it has been made clearer since the initial post.

The song will be played at all first games and not a season long deal. I saw that on something last night.

While I was was opposed to it being played, the article made it seem like every game of the season as part of the anthem tradition.

I don't have a problem with opening day. I understand the needs felt by may black people and support that. I will stand for that. If it was to be played every time along with the anthem, I wouldn't stand for that because I won't stand for segregation.

I'm glad you have made the decision for black people that they will only need your support for that on opening day because the needs they feel no longer matter to you after that.

I'm sure they appreciate your support and the decision you feel is appropriate for them.