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Chargers Colts WFT and ... I forget, were 4 teams lagging behind.
But, given if they were behind 60 days ago, and there was a push before minicamps left out, for teams to all get their vaccine events, and (there is) a universal all 32 teams day set to start training camps on July 27th,

Then they'd still be behind because even if all had 99%, they still would have a larger percent waiting on their 2nd shot. (Pfizer and moderna require a 2nd shot.)

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13 teams in the NFL have been 85% vaccinated.
(32-13=19) means 19 teams have not.

When you get a answer like that. Unless you are close to the person. The interaction ends.

At the end of 2020 when the begining of a rollout for the vaccine was published. I was going to county websites in Georgia trying to get on the lists. At that time (late Jan) systems were crashing. Everyday I was trying to find a way.

It never occured to me that so many people would choose not to get vaccinated.

You would think fear of dying would do it. If you saw someone die of smallpox or was crippled from polio. And a vaccine became available. The last thing you would think is someone would say; "not me I don't want no stinkin vaccine."

This is the most tragic thing I have seen in my lifetime.

There is no excuse for a country with the resources that US has. The resources that came up with the vaccine.

To handle the covid crisis the way it has been handled.

It is greatest of failures because we had solutions.
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Now we are a victim of our "freedom."

We allowed a quack president and the government to let this happen.

Now we have people getting validation of their fears from sources they trust. Sources with no medical or science expertise. Truly sad. My heart goes out to all the families members that have suffered needlessly.

I should have phrased that better...I was referring to your smarmy quotation marks around "appeared", not that you actually misquoted something. My bad.

smarmy quotation marks.... got it.

I find that empathy goes a lot further with most people when it comes to having a discourse or being persuasive.

The problem is that almost nobody uses that tactic.

JMHO, being an old guy, I got the vaccine as soon as possible- why= I trust doctors, my generation had polio, measles, mumps, all kinds of disease gone (mostly) because we trusted government, docs, institutions.

Some Republicans/Democrats/others chose not to get vaccinated. OK, businesses, schools, government need to say you can't work, buy, go to school unless you get vaccinated. I'm all for that.

Your freedom shouldn't cost me my life/ or anyone ones.

I just hope- my opinion, the idiots- don't cost us the NFL season or the economy to tank again. Their opinion, fake news, ya right, everyone is lying.

jc

51 percent of unvaccinated individuals think the COVID-19 vaccine contains a microchip

Brigid Kennedy, Contributing Writer
Mon, July 19, 2021, 2:32 PM·1 min read

In the latest in head-scratching news, one in five Americans believes the COVID-19 vaccine contains a microchip, a recent Economist/YouGov poll reveals.

When respondents were asked how likely they thought it to be true that "the U.S. government is using [the vaccine] to microchip the population," 20 percent of U.S. adults said they thought it "definitely/probably true" and 14 percent weren't sure. 66 percent denied such a claim as "definitely/probably false." Notably, when broken down by vaccination status, 51 percent of "vaccine rejectors" believed the microchip theory, as opposed to just 9 percent of those who are fully vaccinated.

On a more broad level, 85 percent of those who don't want to get vaccinated believed the "threat of the coronavirus was exaggerated for political reasons."

The Economist and YouGov surveyed 1,500 people between July 10-13, 2021. Results have a margin of error of approximately 3 percent.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/51-percent-unvaccinated-individuals-think-183243969.html

Seems like YOUGOV needs to buy a calculator... If 50% of the public hasn't had the vaccine, and 50% of them thinks there is a "chip", that would be one in four Americans, not one in five.

Not that it matters, most people don't trust any polls, let alone those from a company that pays people to do polls from home.

57% of Americans have been vaccinated.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/

So 43% are unvaccinated
51% of that is 21%
21% is pretty close to 1 in 5

Fox News correspondent-at-large Geraldo Rivera on Monday ripped into the "crazy" notion that not getting the COVID-19 is a "constitutional right."

"Hearing crazy talk on cable TV right now about folks having the constitutional right not to get vaccinated. Yes (they may be dopey) but they do have that right," Rivera, who has been a vocal proponent of getting vaccinated in recent weeks, said in a tweet. "We too have rights: to deny the unvaccinated access to our home, school or business."

It's not clear precisely what Rivera was referring to, but his tweet came as some hosts on Fox News such as Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham continue to spread misinformation on the vaccine and rail against restrictions related to COVID-19.

On Monday morning, "Fox & Friends" co-host Brian Kilmeade defended people who do not want to get vaccinated. Kilmeade also argued it was not the government's job to prevent people from dying.


When co-host Steve Doocy stated that 99% of the people who are dying from COVID are unvaccinated, echoing comments made by Dr. Anthony Fauci earlier this month, Kilmeade replied, "That's their choice."

Doocy on Monday's show pushed against conspiracy theories surrounding the vaccine and urged people to get the shot.

"If you have the chance, get the shot, it will save your life," Doocy told viewers.

On Monday, it was also reported that Fox News has implemented a strict COVID-19 policy that includes a form of a vaccine passport that hosts like Carlson and Ingraham have passionately condemned.


https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-geraldo-rivera-says-212701012.html

Not that I'm into splitting hairs, but even the link you just posted shows 49% are fully vaccinated.

Anyone that believes that one in four OR one in five Americans believes there is a chip in the vaccine needs to quit taking the internet so seriously.

At least 186,038,501 people or 57% of the population have received at least one dose.

Overall, 161,232,483 people or 49% of the population have been fully vaccinated.


The above is a direct quote from the article.
So yes, when you say 49% are fully vaccinated that is true but 57% are in the process of being vaccinated. The point is those who are getting vaccinated vs those who are not.

I never took you for a twist the facts to manipulate the meaning kind of guy.

Will we ever get numbers of people who refused the 2nd Moderna or Pfizer shot.

A government controlled media who regularly lies, or is found lying, or denys truth, or doubles down on lies, or questions the truth,
and a technology industry which regularly brings out new technology, then immediately claims the new tech needs to be secured against theft of information, by those same folks who just released the technology,

and a political congress and climate that regularly brings false allegations, or true allegations, or nobody knows if they are true allegations from the days of the Clinton presidency on,

With everything from Hilarys' Benghazi, to false accusations of collusion with Russia against Trump, to Edward Snowden revealing, alleged government spying on Americnans, and everything from nightly newscasts attacking everything from the NRA, to The Border, to the Police, and on the opposite end denying climate change, to teachers teaching more identities to children than actual learning concepts, plus human trafficking, drugs with cartels, violent shooting problems,
and then you throw in, a government that regularly advertises through media that they went back through history and used deception in the past, on a regular basis, and make movies about tons of incidences of deception,
even if it were criminals they were deceiving, but now the same government wants the mass multitudes to take them at their word, because we need to,
When they haven't been straight with their words in the past,
and nevermind economics, how everything is a shell game, and it is more common to get screwed over than to be dealt a fair balanced deal. In all walks of life,
it's no wonder people don't trust institutions anymore.

Is this a deep fake?

Like you, I'm an old guy.. I have the ailments that make me more likely to get Covid.

Frankly, I was more afraid of Covid than I was of the Vax...

In other news 51 percent of unvaccinated individuals must have escaped from the nut house.

Where ever they live is a nut's house.

j/c

The crazy lady is at it again.....

Twitter suspends Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene for 'misleading' COVID-19 information

Twitter said it had suspended the account of Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene for 12 hours as she came back on the platform and accused them of censorship.

The social media platform suspended Greene around 9 p.m ET on Monday for violating its policy after posting misleading two tweets about COVID-19.

After staying quiet overnight, Greene emerged back on Twitter shortly after 9 a.m. ET Tuesday criticizing the platform, saying it censored her and violated "my freedom of speech," and compared Twitter to "Communist China."

Greene ran afoul of Twitter's policies for two tweets posted Sunday and Monday by saying that the coronavirus wasn't dangerous for people under the age of 65 who are not obese, and said vaccines should not be required.

"We took enforcement action on the account @mtgreenee for violations of the Twitter Rules, specifically the COVID-19 misleading information policy," a Twitter spokesman said in an emailed statement. According to Twitter, Greene's 12-hour ban was her second strike for repeatedly sharing misinformation about the virus to her nearly 426,000 followers. Greene will get a similar 12-hour ban if she gets a third strike. And the platform will suspend her for seven days if she gets a fourth strike. Greene could be banned from Twitter if she gets a fifth strike.

Greene's tweets still appear on her Twitter account but with a "misleading" tag.

Greene's tweets come as COVID-19 cases across the U.S. continue to climb as the delta variant is now accounting for more than half of the new infections across the country. Last week, a USA TODAY analysis of Johns Hopkins University data determined that all 50 states reported more COVID-19 cases in the most recent seven-day period than in the week before – a 70% spike.

A little less than half of the U.S. population, 48.4%, is fully vaccinated, and a little more than half, 55.9%, has had at least one shot, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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Greene's suspension also comes after President Joe Biden criticized social media platforms to do a better job of fighting the spread of vaccine misinformation on its sites. Biden was hoping to have 70% of American adults at least half-vaccinated by Fourth of July, but the U.S. failed to meet his administration's goal.

The president softened his criticism of Facebook, days after he stirred controversy and said the world's largest social network is “killing people” because of vaccine misinformation the tech giant allows to circulate on its platform.

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"Facebook isn’t killing people," Biden said in response to a reporter's question on Monday. "These 12 people who are out there giving misinformation – anyone listening to it is getting hurt by it."

In March, Twitter said it was taking a tougher stance on pandemic misinformation for repeated violations of its policy, including a 12-hour suspension. This included a brief suspension of Greene's account in April, but Twitter later said that it was a mistake due to an automated error.

"Everyone knows that's a LIE, and it was no mistake," Greene tweeted afterward.

Twitter said since introducing its COVID-19 guidance last year, the platform has "challenged 11.7 million accounts, suspended 1,496 accounts, and removed more than 43,010 pieces of content worldwide."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021...ges/8022752002/

Maybe she's where Peen got the idea of calling everyone who disagrees with him a communist.

I'm not going to dig too deep into the numbers to prove anybody right or wrong but the above articles in different places also reference "adults" and they reference the "population". Obviously a significant portion of the population are not adults... wonder if some are getting twisted in the numbers because of that?

Haha. That's because I'm not.

This is real easy - you're right, I'm wrong. If you want an explanation, I was just looking at vaccination numbers right before your post because someone here posted something along the lines of "less than half" and I thought the number was a lot higher... a quick google search said 49%.

I stand by my real point, if you think 1 in 5 Americans believe there is a "chip" in the vaccine, I say you're crazy.

greene is wasting good oxygen.

She should be placed in a corner with a dunce hat on.

Food and Drug Administration
The United States Food and Drug Administration is a federal agency of the Department of Health and Human Services. The FDA is responsible for protecting and promoting public health through the control and supervision of food safety, tobacco products, dietary supplements, prescription and over-the-counter pharmaceutical drugs, vaccines, biopharmaceuticals, blood transfusions, medical devices, electromagnetic radiation emitting devices, cosmetics, animal foods & feed and veterinary products.

I copied that from the FDA site.


The government is advocating people take substance that hasn't been approved by the FDA.

I went ahead by choice. If I was under 45, I probably wouldn't.

I would encourage people go get a shot, but that is a personal choice, especially being a experimental drug. It's really none of our business what others do.



Yet this is a blame the republicans for killing people.

Sick minds some of you people have..

FDA authorized certain vaccines for emergency use when they proved a minimum acceptable level of safety and effectiveness. The path to approval is a long and arduous one (by design), and so there are processes in place to make devices/treatments available sooner when needed while still ensuring safety.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/learn-more-about-covid-19-vaccines-fda#:~:text=Yes.,the%20authorized%20COVID%2D19%20vaccines.

Do the authorized COVID-19 vaccines work?
Yes. All three FDA-authorized vaccines prevent COVID-19 and serious health outcomes that COVID-19 can cause, including hospitalization and deaths. The FDA thoroughly evaluated and analyzed the safety and effectiveness data for all of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines. The FDA determined that the available data for each vaccine provides clear evidence that the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks of each vaccine.

right off the fda site.

Guess that explains the current chip shortages.

I like this, it is important for people to get this vaccine and I feel it is important for the government to be certain that vaccines face the full scrutiny of the process to get them verified and certified as safe as other vaccines.

The crunchy outside of Poppeyes chicken doesn't make it better, fine you eat it.

LOL! Now it makes sense!

A Washington post-abc news poll from about 2 weeks ago has found a startling difference between Democrats and Republicans as a relates to covid-19 vaccinations. The poll found that 86% of Democrats have received at least one covid vaccine shot and only 45% of Republicans have. In addition the survey found that while only 6% of Democrats say they would probably decline the vaccine 47% of Republicans said they were probably would not get the shot.

I understand that.

None the less, it hasn't been given full approval. Some people may be waiting for full approval. I can understand that.

I went ahead and got the shot. I figured that if there is some chance it has long term negative effects, I figured that my long term isn't all that long compared to many others. I am entering the short term thinking phase of life. Thus, catching the virus from china posed more immediate negative impact on my health than some ailment that might happen 10 years from now because I might not even have a 10 year window.

In my case, getting the shots made the most sense. For others, maybe not. Maybe the new mutations will encourage more to get vaccinated as this one seems to impact younger people as well.

I have also read that fully vaccinated people are catching Covid, so maybe we are all doomed for a time period? I never thought this vaccine was going to be the be all, end all to this thing. I have a feeling that masks, pandemics, and various shots is going to be the way of life for the best part of the next decade or more. There is a good chance that this football season won't make it through before it's back to masks, no fans in stands, etc.

Get you toilet paper now...lol

I can Not understand why anyone would not get the vaccine.

Chips? Really?

99% of the current deaths are people that are unvaccinated.

Imagine stuggling to breath till you can not.

We get vaccines at birth.

Why you are at it. Sign up for getting smallpox and polio.

And all the others that you can get.

No listen to some station whore with zero medical background in infectous disease.

I'd say that most of us old folks have gotten the vaccine. The reality is it has been mostly elderly and individuals with some aliment that have the toughest go if it catches you.

Face it, if the odds are it isn't going to kill you, the motivation to get the shots isn't as great. Lot's of people don't get a flu shot. That doesn't make sense to me, but I have to admit I didn't get one until I was around 50. That seemed to be the age where the consequences of not started to have a larger impact on people.

The reason given was to not catch the bug, not to not spread the bug. We didn't run around, pointing fingers that if you didn't, you were killing your or someones grandmother.

Can't believe the number of republicans that have recently come out in favor of getting the vaccine.. Hannity, McConnell and Scalise to name a few.

Good for them...,

I always find it interesting to hear people comparing a publicly traded corporation as "Communist China."

You haven't been keeping up have you?

The Delta variant is hitting far more younger people. The average age of death is younger. The average age of those in the ICU has gone down. Hospitalizations and deaths are again on the rise.

And the word "survived". So are saying that being on a ventilator, spending weeks, maybe months in an ICU, having long term effects from the virus isn't a part of your equation because someone "survives"?

As of two days ago 338 million doses of the Covid vaccine have been administered to Americans. The rate of serious side effects in minimal. Far more minimal than most FDA approved drugs. The evidence is in for anyone willing to look at it.

This isn't the 1950's where it takes long periods of time to collect data on pencil and paper. And let's face it, the next line of BS from much of the right you can already predict even once the FDA approves it. Here's pretty much what it will look like.......

"Yeah, but Biden and the left wing media applied pressure to rush the process so it still can't be trusted."

Even in the face of overwhelming evidence right now....Over 95% of hospitalizations are the unvaccinated and all but one death have been unvaccinated, you are still hearing, "Yes but it isn't fully approved by the FDA".

It's just stupid BS.

j/c...

We should be seeing a HUGE outbreak in the Milwaukee area (unless, of course, they're all democrats).

It would help by a wide margin.

As soon as all the kids are vaccinated I hope we send the rest of our doses around the world to help limit the variants. Then I won't care if you've had your vaccine or not. Your choice.

j/c

US doctor reveals what she tells unvaccinated Covid patients

As the US grapples with the surging Delta variant, a doctor has told of her heartwrenching deathbed conversations with unvaccinated patients.

As the United States grapples with the surging Delta variant of Covid-19, medical experts across the country are desperately trying to convince hesitant Americans to get vaccinated.

That includes experts in the national spotlight, such as Anthony Fauci and CDC Director Rochelle Walensky. But doctors at the local level are also speaking out.

One of them is Dr Brytney Cobia.

Dr Cobia works at Grandview Medical Centre in Birmingham, Alabama, the state with the country’s lowest percentage of fully vaccinated people (33.7 per cent).

According to Alabama’s Department of Public Health, 94 per cent of the people hospitalised with covid there since April and 96 per cent of those who’ve died have been unvaccinated.

“I’m admitting young, healthy people to the hospital with very serious covid infections,” Dr Cobia wrote in a heartwrenching Facebook post this week.

“One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late.

“A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honour their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same.

“They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin colour they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’.

“But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives.”

Alabama exited its state of emergency on July 6, and its Republican Governor, Kay Ivey, has rescinded most covid restrictions.

“This is absolutely now a managed pandemic,” Ms Ivey said in May, when she announced the state of emergency would end.

“Alabama is open and we are moving forward.”

She has urged all Alabamians to get vaccinated.

At the national level, while almost half of eligible Americans are fully vaccinated – some 160 million people – about two-thirds of the nation’s counties still have vaccine coverage below 40 per cent. And the pace of the vaccine rollout has been slowing steadily for months.

In mid-April, the US was averaging more than three million vaccinations per day. That figure is now hovering at just over 500,000.

The country missed President Joe Biden’s goal of giving at least 70 per cent of adults one dose by Independence Day on July 4, having beaten previous targets.

Meanwhile, covid infections and hospitalisations are rising in all 50 states. Last week the US averaged 239 deaths per day, an increase of 48 per cent over the previous week.

“The majority of these deaths could be prevented with a simple, safe, available vaccine,” Dr Walensky, head of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, told a congressional hearing on Tuesday.

“Areas with limited vaccine are allowing for the emergence and rapid spread of the highly transmissible Delta variant.”

Dr Walensky revealed that the Delta variant now accounts for 83 per cent of new cases in the US. That’s a “dramatic increase” from the week of July 3, when it was about 50 per cent.

She said the CDC was engaging “trusted community leaders”, such as doctors and pastors, to reinforce messages about the efficacy and safety of the vaccines.

“The overwhelming number of deaths from Covid-19 are now occurring in unvaccinated people. Vaccines are widely available across the country, and this suffering and loss is simply and entirely preventable.”

Those remarks followed a public health briefing on Friday, at which Dr Walensky referred to covid in the US as a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”.

“We are seeing outbreaks of cases in parts of the country that have low vaccination coverage, because unvaccinated people are at risk, and the communities that are fully vaccinated are generally faring well,” she said.

“The good news is that if you’re fully vaccinated, you are protected against severe covid, hospitalisation and death, and are even protected against the known variants, including the Delta variant.

“If you are not vaccinated, you remain at risk. And our biggest concern is that we’re going to continue to see preventable cases, hospitalisations and, sadly, deaths among the unvaccinated.”

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronaviru...c341e86ccf7a97c

I'll be curious to see what comes out of that, honestly. I don't know and don't really care about the political demographics of that crowd, but I wouldn't want to be in the middle of it if I wasn't vaccinated.

The bolded text is tragically sad. I can't imagine what it must be like to go through this over and over.


The compassionate half of me laments these senseless, avoidable deaths.

The cynical half of me thinks that perhaps Mother Nature has found a very efficient way to 'fix stupid.'