DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus January 6th Fallout

Honestly, I never considered things getting as out of hand as Jan6. Call it what you want (head in the sand, naivety, etc), but I never thought something like that would happen. I only speak for myself, so take it for what it's worth.

Great questions. I just remember reading that in the aftermath. These are the not-so-obvious things that should come to the surface in a no-stone-unturned investigation.

I think a lot of people saw the "potential" that it could happen but just couldn't actually imagine that it could come to fruition. I mean why would any reasonable person think people would actually attack our capital to interfere in our election process and try to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power?

People in security are paid to find out anything that can impact security.

trump had no problem forcing the army to secure an area of peaceful protesters for a photo op.

The National Guard was ordered to open fire on a state university campus. Directing their fire on unarmed students on their campus.

Given todays platform within social media. The plans for violence was front and center.

January 6th is a date now. Just like 911. And December 7th.

If this country does not investigate this to the fullest extent possible. And then hold all those involved in criminal actions accountable to the law.

Then we all lose and no lesson was learned.

For Jan 6th to be dissolved into partisan politics is disgusting.

I felt the same way. I actually apologized to OCD for previously telling him that he was overboard in his violence predictions. He was right.

The 6th was planned in advance. Trump knew and so did others.

j/c

Have been on my phone checking in from time to time ... swear I saw a Trump supporter/apologist say that because the Jan 6th rioters thought the election was stolen they were patriots for trying to save the nation.... and wanted to respond and condemn that rational and that 'thought' process in the strongest way possible.

Believing - falsely - that your cause is so important, so vital, so above the laws of the land that what is demanded in a nation of laws is to pee all over those laws, is moronic. It's the sort of lunatic / fanatic, blind adulation and conviction that radicals from various religions around the world use as grounds to perform all sorts of atrocities. It's the sort of logic that enables or alleviates personal accountability - simply because the person was doing what they thought was right.... even as they 100% wrong, and while they perform acts of terrorism.

That 'argument' couldn't be more flawed. And thanks to many here who have articulated all the issues with the Republican narratives from deflection, to downplaying the events of the day.

Look, for me this is rather simple.. Those that caused damage last summer need dealt with..

No question.

But this isn't about "they did it so we can do it"..

Both were dean wrong and both committed crimes.. Nail them both to the wall.. But using one to excuse the other just ain't a good argument... It's freakin idiotic

Find the leaders of those that attacked cities last summer,, deal with them harshly..

But damnit, do the same with those that perpetrated Jan 6,,, No free rides.

I think it is clearly and obvious that the vast majority of them were patriotic. I don't know how else you can explain their behavior. There has to be an underlying motive behind peoples actions. The looting following the summer protests was motivated by individuals personal gain. The breaking in to the capital was motivated by patriotism combined with their perception of reality, regardless of how delusional anyone thinks their perception.

What else would possibly motivate them to do this? insanity?
They didn't stand to personally gain anything from what I can see.

Nope,, No excuses.. They are insurrectionists that were driven to frenzy by Trump and his minions.. They were lied to and were too damn dumb to check it out before going out of their way to break the law..

They are criminals... Deserving of prison time.

The Politicians that touted the Big Lie as truth should be removed from office and never allowed to hold elected office again.

As for personal gain., You may be right.. You didn't see a bunch of corp execs rushing the capital. We all know that most of these damn fools will not benefit.. Trump never cared about them anyway. Yet they seem to be willing to go to jail for them... Maybe they thought they could get him back into office and that he'd commute their sentences... Like I said, Damn fools...

Not making excuses for anyone. Someone asked with the difference between the two groups were. I answered. They differ in their underlying motivations. Not stating a position for or against any of the 400+ people involved.

And I don't think it is a bad idea to have sympathy for people that are "Damn fools"...

Most of us are played for "Damn fools" from time to time.

Damn fools voted for Trump, criminals and traitors stormed the capitol.

j/c...

It seems the Clinton's are involved.

I could not disagree more. Ignorance and being moronic doesn't lead you to be being patriotic. Believing something and deciding to flout the laws of the land and attempt to overturn the democratic process doesn't make you a patriot no matter how you slice it. Stupid - yes. Criminal - yes. Fanatic- probably. No better than religious zealots/fanatics - yes. Patriotic - no f'ing way.

Sad, but what does that have to do with anything?

Another casualty of Jan 6.

There is no doubt in my mind that this suicide cluster is directly connected to the horrors of that day.

Spend a few moments watching the body cam footage, place yourself in the same situation, then tell me you'd suffer no PTSD from the experience. These people are exhibiting the same symptoms as combat vets returning from war zones. Suicide rates for combat vets are an order of magnitude higher than that of the general public. And we know why.

Agreed, it's sad. And directly related.

Not many fall for a criminal like they did for Trump.. I have no forgiveness or understanding for them

I would bet that the residual effects of the incident itself are getting compounded by all the coverage the event has gotten lately.

For instance, imagine being them, and then hearing some of the people who you protected on that day basically say "There wasn't really anything that bad" or to hear media anchors respond to the testimony of your colleagues by saying "Oh, what drama! This wasn't Fallujah!"

... or to be reminded of that day with daily, frequent airings of their very own body cam footage.

Talk about a recurring nightmare...

I believe there is a term "They Clintoned em" for when people mysteriously die around the Clintons.

I don't agree, but I see where you're coming from and appreciate you putting it out there even though (I'm sure) you knew the reaction you'd get.

Being fooled into believing that overthrowing an election is patriotic is not patriotism. Ignoring a mountain of evidence by 70 courts in America is not patriotism. Ignoring that Trump's own attorney general stated the election was fair is not patriotism. Ignoring Republican election officials from several states saying their elections were fair is not patriotism. Convincing yourself of what you want to believe by ignoring every credible morsel of evidence is not patriotism.

Every despot in history convinced their followers that doing what they wanted was patriotic. They were all wrong.

It's just something people say to make them feel better about their criminal acts. I'm not saying they may not believe that and to that degree I see your point. But that comes from the current culture of blocking everything out you don't want to hear and only believing what you "feel".

There is. It's what people do when they want to cast doubt on someone for something they have no evidence that they actually are guilty of.

A form of character assassination.

Except several of those now trying to say it wasn't that bad are the very ones running for their lives.. And there is video to prove it.. So basically, they are lying.

Oh for sure. I think that goes without saying.

I think that extreme cognitive dissonance would likely add to the mental trauma experienced by the police officers.

It bothers me that the very people that the Police were trying to protect seem to be throwing them under a bus...

I gotta admit, I don't get it

They can let all the January 6th poor misguided souls go completely free as long as the prosecute then execute the Traitor-in-Chief that sent them.

Unbelievable.....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/05/us-capitol-attack-republicans-trump-fallout

I posted that article onto the 'What Republicans have turned into" ... I know it's about Jan 6th - but to me it simply highlights how the GOP is operating these day. No basis in reality or fact - it's manipulation, perception, plausible deniability. Politics may always have been about those things, but not like this - this is brazen lying and quite simply the best interest of America and it's citizens couldn't be further from the minds of these lunatics.

Becoming more and more clear why the Repubes don't want Jan 6 investigated

And you know what is dawning on me - and probably the very worst thing about all of this ... 100% of Trump supporters do not care. Trump could be caught red handed on a recording, on email or by someone on his inner circle revealing him planning this ... they would not care an ounce. It will not change their hate for anything not "their way".

On top of that - I bet there is 80% of the rest of the people who voted Trump even if they don't like him and think he's a rat ... but because they have been brainwashed to think Biden and modern day Democrats are un-American and "communist" - they too literally will not care no matter what.

The only people who care about what a treasonous P.O.S Trump is / was - are the Democrats and independents. I'm close to the point where I say the Biden Administration should mirror Trump. Run the DOJ as his personal henchman service. Flout every norm and just do whatever the heck he wants to. The GOP is not going to change, and fighting them with any attempt at sticking within the boundaries of previous norms of politics is like fighting with one hand tied behind their backs. They (politicians) may all stink to some extent - but some are worse than others - literally individuals out for themselves without any regard for the country, truth, values etc. Screw 'em.

Dare I ask again for the facts behind your assertion?

None. He's a simple troll that posts mindless crap .... just because. He may or may not believe what he posts, a bit like the dude that disappeared whose name I forget. Better off not feeding the troll. Or to put it a different way - have you ever had an intelligent response from this poster?

I can't figure out if he is calling Jeffrey Clark of Scott Perry the foreign agent provocateur.

A very hateful person you are...you belong in the Democrat /socialist party.