Someone made a big difference about Shoorters vs. Scorers in point guards, obviously scorers are better. Baker is a scorer, that's why he gets wins. Shooters might have 300 yards but lose.
Here is my Qb list iigias, I did make before last nights preseason games, the thing is, is there are only 32 nfl starting jobs. But that doesn't mean the best are starting. (for where they are wrong and should be moved up or down or removed from or added to the list. 1 Tom Brady 2 Aaron Rodgers 3.Patrick Mahommes ( KC 4. Josh Allen (buffalo 5. Benn Roethlsiburger (pitts 6 Russell Wilslon (Seattle 7. Matt Ryan (Atl 8# . Baker Mayfield (Cleveland Browns 9. Kirk Cousins (minn 10. Dakarist Prescott (Cowboys 11 Lamarr Jackson (Baltimore 12. Ryan Tannehill (Tennessee 13. Matt Stafford ( LA Rams 14. Derrick Carr (Lv Raiders 15. Cam Newton (patriots 16. Justin Herbert (LA chargers 17. Joe Burrow ( Cincinnati 18. Tua Taglaviola ( Miami 19. Kyler Murray ( ariz. 20. Jared Goff (Detroit 21. Jimmy Garopolo (49ers 22. Justin fields (chic 23. Carson Wentz ( indy 24. Trevor Lawrence ( Jacksonville 25. Case Keenum, Browns back up 26. Ryan Fitzpatrick ( Washington 27. Nick Foles ( Bears 3rd. 28. Mitch Trubiske ( buffalo back up 29. Teddy Bridgewater (Denver battle2 30. Dewayne Haskins (pitt 3 31. Marcus Mariotta (lv raiders 32. Taysome Hill ( New Orleans 33. Jalen Hurtz ( phila. 34. Drew Lock (Denver 35. Trey Lance (49ers, (name was originally mixed up) 36. Mason Rudolph (Pittsburgh 37. Zach Wilson, (jets. (originaly had Lance twice remembering the rookies names wrong 38. Mack Jones ( New England 2 39. Jameis Winston (saints battle 40. Andy Dalton (Chicago 41. Colt McCoy (Arizona 42. AJ McCarron ( Atlanta 43. Chad Henne ( KC 2 44. Sam Darnold ( Carolina 45. Daniel Jones ( NY Giants.
46. Tyrod Taylor (Houston 47. Joe Flacco (Philadelphia 48. Gardner Minshew (Jacksonville 49. Davis Mills ( Houston 50. Sam Ehlinger ( Indy. 51. Kellen Mond ( Minn. 52. Kyle Boller (LA rams 2 53. Jordan Love ( green baye 54. Brandon Allen ( Cincinnati 2 55. Garrett Gilbert ( dallas 2 56. Blaine Gabbert (tampa bay 4 beyond- other backups including Kyle trask in tampa bay Jacob Eason in indy, Dishone Kizer recently waived from Tennessee, Matt Barkeley who replaced him and many others. Heinecke, Easton Sthick, Chase Daniel, Kyle Lauletta, C.J. Beathard, Trace Mcorley, Geno Smith, and I think there is a rule that no qb list can continue past Geno Smith. But others.
Everyone has an opinion on these things, but I’m not seeing your logic here. I thought at first, you were demoting guys with short histories, but then Allen is top 5, Tua above Kyler and Goff, and Lawrence hasn’t taken a snap but is above more proven guys.
And clearly it isn’t on potential, as you don’t have Baker in top 5, and most of the young talented guys are all low. Is this just all on gut feeling? 2021 performance projection? Seriously, not trying to be snarky, just can’t follow your thinking with this list.
They had a current Steeler starter (Cam Heyward) talk up Baker? No sympathy from me, but that's brutal. You can see from the look on his face that he didn't enjoy saying a single part of that.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
There's some cherrypicking of stats going on there. The Baker situation since he was drafted isn't as cut-and-dry as Greenberg likes to think. But what he's saying is why I'm having a hard time keeping excitement low for this season. Baker definitely has the capability, and we've finally put him under a coach that isn't a joke and have him operating within an org that is competent, if not well-run.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Everyone has an opinion on these things, but I’m not seeing your logic here. I thought at first, you were demoting guys with short histories, but then Allen is top 5, Tua above Kyler and Goff, and Lawrence hasn’t taken a snap but is above more proven guys.
And clearly it isn’t on potential, as you don’t have Baker in top 5, and most of the young talented guys are all low. Is this just all on gut feeling? 2021 performance projection? Seriously, not trying to be snarky, just can’t follow your thinking with this list.
Oh sure, I went and took several minutes searcing for the top 3 qbs' of each team franchise on google. I also started to make a top 10 list, and a bottom of the nfl list and a list of qb's a hater would put above Baker. Then I put the rookies in a group, gathered my opinions of what I've seen and heard over years of being a fan and just a fan, and only watching the sport from a fans perspective. And feelings of ups or downs and prejudging things like memories of , well like,( Alex Smith was talked up because he played 3 games back from his horrific injury in 2020, but he was so immobile, and a bad arm talent he never should have been given the roster spot except as a token of ya know good feelings, - things like that.) Then, largely I put them into small groups, you know like draft one by one, pick the very best as Qb 1, and then a lot of the time, it's if, if, if these 3, if 3 of these were on your team right now, Right now, no bs, who would you say, who could you get behind this player should start! this one should start! and then, part of it has to do with, you have to throw in what situation that Qb is actually in and what kind of year you would expect they may have in 2021, we can't totally disregard that.
So basically, I feel, I could get behind the arugment that everyone of those Qbs that are higher on my list, I'd rather start over any one of them lower on the list, if I had the choice of any two of them. (which obviously would invite some unforeseen undefendable position because of the size). (But Just do it! nike)
And, I've got Baker at #8, but that's bull because I still say on any given day, Baker is a Top 6 Qb in this league, consistently, every time, and the only thing that changes, is who the other 5 are. And I don't know squat about Easton Stickt and don't want to, so some were left off. If all were on the team, who could start in a depth chart order. I thought about 3 others, DeShaun Watson 5, Philip Rivers, and Alex Smith, and then Drew Brees also. (Texans Fans podcasts talk like Watson isn't an option to play.)
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
There is so much to like about everything Browns right now.
Team. A four letter word that seems to tell the whole story.
Everything that we can see spells team. KS has molded professionalism into the culture.
I could not be more stoked.
I am so pumped for this season I keep asking is this real?
And the great part it is. It's so different to come here and not have disagreements about really everything but instead all agree we have a great chance to win it all. The only thing left to do really is to enjoy it, support it and yeah throw a few back in celebration.
The sad part for me personally is I would truly love to make a game or two this year but I simply can't next year I think I will be able to if I can get these damned health issues behind me. But man I so look forward to hooking up with some Browns fans we all have been kicking it with for years and to just enjoy the moment and this is going to be a great year for us I just know it. The suffering is over.
I am the guy you see in the seats with tears streaming down his face cause I am so happy. The moments that I believe are about to unfold will stay with me for a life time I just know it.
BTTB
AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
I also believe that it would have happened sooner had he not come into such a dysfunctional situation.
I think that had we gone with Gregg Williams instead of Freddy Baker would be further along in his development. However, the Browns as a whole would be capped with how successful we could be whereas suffering through Kitchens to get to Stefanski has the sky as the limit.
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
Dude, your takes are always so bad, I shouldbn't be surprised. I can put together a clip from the second half of 2020, when Baker has been at his best, and still show you numerous throws I'm talking about. So could you...watch any game highlight clip you want. It's frankly not even that controversial. So what if his ball placement is not always perfect? I was just pointing out the fact that it wasn't, and that many fans take Baker's strength and exaggerate them beyond the truth, which isn't necessary.
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Originally Posted By: thedawggene
Haha, I wish I had his knowledge of the game, for sure. His attitude, maybe not so much. Sorry if you see it that way, though.
Originally Posted By: TrooperDawg
Haha. That is funny. And you show up exactly when his last offline activity was on this board in 2020. Lol. And you are acquainted with his posting persona. Hahahaha.
Oh please, I hope this is true.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Which agenda was he onboard with? Hue didn't get a fair shot, or Sashi didn't get a fair shot, or Dorsey didn't get a fair shot?
VERS was abrasive and I never understood the "team FO" vs. "team coach" things that went on here, but he knew more football than I do, and more than most of you, from what I can tell. Speaking of, he and DIAM used to have it out quite a bit, and that was someone who knew a lot, too. Is he still around?
He finished at 48,522 posts. He was too smart for the board ("knew more than most of you") and was rewarded with entrance to posters Valhalla where abrasive posters duel all day and feast all night.
He finished at 48,522 posts. He was too smart for the board ("knew more than most of you") and was rewarded with entrance to posters Valhalla where abrasive posters duel all day and feast all night.
And what did happen to Diam?
Diamond is still around, he has said he has gotten tired (or bored) of posting.
He finished at 48,522 posts. He was too smart for the board ("knew more than most of you") and was rewarded with entrance to posters Valhalla where abrasive posters duel all day and feast all night.
And what did happen to Diam?
Diamond is still around, he has said he has gotten tired (or bored) of posting.
He's graduated to chucking grenades into PP and walking away.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Oh please, I hope this is true.