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It was always going to be a cluster when we left. Had the former president have been reelected we would have been out in May. It's actually one of the very few things I agreed with both Trump and Biden on.

Maybe it was unavoidable, but pulling guys out just to send them back is never a good look. IMO, the strategists shouldn't ever avoid criticism for having to do that.

It was certainly a misjudgement as to how quickly the Taliban would run over their military. I mean we supplied them with tons of equipment. Far superior to the Taliban. We've been training their military since we got there, 20 years now.

I could see how our government would think they could put up a better defense. But when the people do not have the strength and will to fight, there's really not much you can do.

At some point you just have to get the hell out. That's one thing Trump and Biden agreed on. Both said that it was up to our military leaders to decide how to deploy that strategy. While it's certainly a mess I think it would have been a mess regardless.

And now the Taliban has all those resources that we left them probably.

And now people who helped us are being butchered.

U.S. coordinating with allies to evacuate 4,000 Afghan nationals who helped coalition forces

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/21/us-and-a...ion-forces.html

And the troops now being sent are also going to be helping many more. If you would bother to have read the mission statement you would know that.

I toggled you up on this one.

I did. The fact is it is way more than that, not to mention the ones who surrendered and were executed.

If the taliban wasn't killing those people, I doubt we would be returning.

It's also to be there to get people out of our embassy. The Taliban is advancing much faster than our military had envisioned so that is one of the main reasons for sending them back.

I think there is some balance between our opinions. The U.S, certainly isn't going to be able to save all of the people who helped us. But they are and have saved many of them.

The Taliban is killing those people in the areas they have taken over. We aren't going to engage in battle with the Taliban to save anyone in areas they occupy. This isn't a military war deployment.

I would hope we are going to help our Embassy. Hopefully we learned it isn't good to stand around with our thumbs up or ass like we did in Bengazhi.

You said, "If the taliban wasn't killing those people, I doubt we would be returning." So I was just pointing out that I don't think you were correct in saying that. The embassy is probably a bigger factor in our return.

I heard this morning that the troops going back are to secure the airport and a 4 mile transport route... That was pretty specific, so you both could be wrong.

And I'm pissed that Biden and company didn't do more to protect ALL of the translators who qualify for relocation. This is no damn better than Trump abandoning allies in the field. This is a complete embarrassment. And I'll be damned if the Taliban aren't trying to make this look like our exit from Nam. Sadly mishandled at best.

I remember when a whole bunch of folks on Capitol Hill voted not to go to war with Afghanistan in the first place after 911. But republican leadership set their eyes on war with Afghanistan and Iraq while they let Osama Bin Laden slip away into Pakistan.

Obviously other than our embassy people, the only ones I care about getting out of that hell hole is the people that assisted us against the taliban. Translators and such.

Other than that, I really don’t care that the taliban is running through. They controlled the country before we got there, and they’re gonna control it after we leave. At some point, the people themselves gotta rise up and handle it. All the training snd equipment we’ve given them don’t mean a damn thing if they can’t use the tools and handle their own business.

As we like to say here in America, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.

I sympathize with service members watching the Taliban steamroll through areas they fought to secure.

I think you meant Iran. Benghazi has run its course. Let it go dude.

Yep. I never served in these wars myself, but for a soldier who was there or who might have lost friends there, I can't imagine how hard it is to watch these cowards lay down for the Taliban. Part of me wishes we had just nuked both countries 20 years ago.

That's not what we're supposed to be about, but I can't hassle anyone watching what's going for thinking that.

I can.

I picture Peen standing in a bathrobe on his front lawn yelling “Benghazi emails muslim pizza parlors Clinton commies!!!!”

Cool.

Cool

Here's the funniest part. They keep telling us we should quit bringing up Trump because he's been out of office for several months. Yet Peen brought up Benghazi which happened in 2012. You couldn't make up that BS of you tried. Well I guess you can. Peen just did.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-blasts-biden-not-following-152440623.html

Trump blasts Biden for not 'following the plan' his administration crafted for Afghanistan
John L. Dorman
Sun, August 15, 2021, 11:24 AM·3 min read

"He ran out of Afghanistan instead of following the plan our Administration left for him," he said.

Biden alleged that Trump "left the Taliban in the strongest position militarily since 2001."

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday blasted President Joe Biden for not "following the plan" that the Republican administration crafted regarding a withdrawal from Afghanistan.

During his 2016 campaign and continuing at the White House, Trump said he would keep the United States "out of endless and costly foreign wars," and this weekend, the former president took time to criticize what he perceives as Biden's foreign policy "weakness."

"He ran out of Afghanistan instead of following the plan our Administration left for him - a plan that protected our people and our property, and ensured the Taliban would never dream of taking our Embassy or providing a base for new attacks against America," he said in a statement. "The withdrawal would be guided by facts on the ground."

He added: "After I took out ISIS, I established a credible deterrent. That deterrent is now gone. The Taliban no longer has fear or respect for America, or America's power."

Biden has long sought to end the war in Afghanistan, which has been ongoing for nearly 20 years.

On Saturday, Biden appeared to shift the blame for any sort of Afghanistan blunder to Trump, who he said left the Taliban "in the strongest position militarily since 2001."

"When I came to office, I inherited a deal cut by my predecessor - which he invited the Taliban to discuss at Camp David on the eve of 9/11 of 2019 - that left the Taliban in the strongest position militarily since 2001 and imposed a May 1, 2021 deadline on US forces," the president said. "Shortly before he left office, he also drew US forces down to a bare minimum of 2,500."

Last November, the number of troops in the country was roughly 4,000, before Trump ordered a reduction.

When Biden announced in April that he sought to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan, Trump called the development "a wonderful and positive thing to do," much to the consternation of many Republicans who feared the loss of democratic gains in the country.

In his Saturday statement, Biden continued by saying that he did not want another president to inherit the longstanding conflict.

"When I became President, I faced a choice - follow through on the deal, with a brief extension to get our Forces and our allies' Forces out safely, or ramp up our presence and send more American troops to fight once again in another country's civil conflict," he said. "I was the fourth President to preside over an American troop presence in Afghanistan - two Republicans, two Democrats. I would not, and will not, pass this war onto a fifth."

On Saturday, Mazar-i-Sharif, the fourth-largest city in Afghanistan and the government's last northern stronghold, fell to the Taliban, as insurgents carried out a sweeping military campaign in seizing provincial capitals.

Taliban forces on Saturday captured Jalalabad, the capital of the eastern Nangarhar province.

Shortly thereafter, NBC News reported that insurgents were entering Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, to "stop looting" in the city.

The Associated Press reported that Afghan President Ashraf Ghani left the country as the Taliban advanced into the capital. Afghan Chairman of the High Council for National Reconciliation Abdullah Abdullah said in a video statement that Ghani had left the country, referring to him as the "former president."

Biden on Saturday authorized 5,000 troops to aid US personnel in leaving the country.

I don't see where Trump has shared what his plan was.

You noticed that too huh?

Trump's deadline was to have out out totally by May first. That was "his plan". Here is where Trump slammed Biden for "waiting too long" to withdraw all of our troops only a few months ago.....

Trump calls Afghanistan withdrawal ‘a wonderful and positive thing to do’ and criticizes Biden’s timeline

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/18/politics/trump-afghanistan-troop-withdrawal/index.html

donny’s plan was to gorge on a pile of Big Macs and scream at the TV while watching Anderson Cooper.
It wasn’t worth sharing.

The Biden/Global regime is DISATEROUS!

Ok Mr. Sean Tucker Breitbart Trump! And yes that's four names just like a serial killer or a POTUS with 600K dead Americans to his name.

I can see where you feel a fascist autocrat would be better. Don Jr. is that you?

Don't feed the troll. C'mon dude.

A POTUS with 209K dead Americans to his name.

WHAT'S A DISATEROUS!?

This sucks. I mean this really sucks. Everyone tried to make this about whose to blame without first just acknowledging the fact that this sucks.

Stop playing your stupid games fighting/defending/arguing over people who don't give a crap about you and just want you to follow them for their own gain.

Stop.

This situation downright sucks. I feel bad for all those who gave their lives. I feel bad for what will become. I feel bad for the here and now.

Yep, I get you. But don't feel bad. You are living history right now.

Biden Admin Does the Unthinkable with Instructions to Terrified Americans Trapped in Kabul

Jack Davis
August 15, 2021

The State Department on Sunday told Americans in Kabul that their best chance of survival is to hide.

“The security situation in Kabul is changing quickly including at the airport. There are reports of the airport taking fire; therefore we are instructing U.S. citizens to shelter in place,” the U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan said in a statement published on its website on Sunday.

The embassy then told everyone that even as the Taliban took over Kabul, it is vital to have that paperwork in order.


And access to electrical power and a working Wi-Fi connection are apparently necessary, too.

“U.S. citizens wanting assistance in departing the country should register for any option that might be identified to return to the United States, and must complete this Repatriation Assistance Request for each traveler in their group,” the embassy notice said.
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“Spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens in Afghanistan who are awaiting immigrant visas should also complete this form if they wish to depart. Please do so as soon as possible. You must complete this form even if you’ve previously submitted your information to the U.S. Embassy in Kabul,” it said.


The U.S. Embassy flag was lowered Sunday, signifying the end of the U.S. presence in Afghanistan, according to CNN.
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As late as Thursday, State Department spokesman Ned Price had said there was no such thing as an evacuation either in the works or taking place.

“This is not abandonment. This is not an evacuation. This is not the wholesale withdrawal. What this is (is) a reduction in the size of our civilian footprint,” Price told reporters Thursday, according to ABC News. “The embassy remains open and we plan to continue our diplomatic work in Afghanistan.”



However, reflecting the fact that times have changed, the emergency notice posted by the embassy Sunday said anyone with questions should not bother phoning.

In fact, it said in boldface type:
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“Do not call the U.S. Embassy in Kabul for details or updates about the flight. This form is the only way to communicate interest in flight options.”

As of Sunday afternoon, it was unclear who would even be able to flee the country.


CNN was reporting as of Sunday afternoon that most diplomatic personnel who had not yet left were at the Kabul airport waiting to flee.


https://www.westernjournal.com/biden-adm...T4GLMiylxrMeJKE

So the Afghanistan people won’t fight for their own freedom and wants the US to send our children to die for their freedom. Biden is simply saying no, we won’t do that. Fight for yourselves. Fight for your own freedom, or die’ You know, like we had to do for our own freedom.

IMO we should give every Afghanistan Women a AK and a couple of years worth of ammo and let them pick em off 1 by 1 for the next 20 years.

j/c

The pull out has been a mess. Biden deserves blame for overseeing a cluster.F operation to pull out.

For those who criticized Trump for much of what he did and are now downplaying the way the pull out has been handled - just imagine what you would have said if this was Trump in office.

For those like Fish and others that are using this to criticize Biden .... I have zero doubt you would be defending the same set of circumstances if this was Trump doing it. The idea Trump had a plan is plain foolish. Trump had the most chaotic, undisciplined administration ever and he did not listen to advice from his military. The situation may have well been much worse.

The situation overall is a failure waiting to happen. Some level of chit-iness and mess was going to happen no matter what. It's very emotionally unsettling to see people suffering and so desperate. Especially as those clamoring to get out are allies and helped US forces.

That said - 20 years, $2 Trillion, 6000+ American lives .... and Afghanistan is and always was going to go back to Taliban control once the USA left. I see and hear interviews from many who expect and blame the USA for pulling out and letting Afghanistan return to tribalism etc ... but it's simply more emotion rather than logic. It's not the USA's job or responsibility to police the world and introduce regime and culture change to primitive, backwards or inhumane governments and countries.

As far as the loss of life and suffering - this pull out is NOTHING compared to the last administrations overnight decision to pull out of Nthn Syria and what followed. We just didn't have iPhone footage of the slaughter that followed ... so again, for the hypocrites who defended Trump (still do) blindly, this latest Afghanistan pullout doesn't compare.

Trump and Biden both handled military withdrawals poorly. Both are guilty of abandoning allies on the battlefield. Biden gets no break here for ineptitude.

If there was any doubt that the US was supporting a puppet regime, those questions were answered and are painfully obvious.

I think some of the blame game can be shared with the military and their approach and lack of intelligence.

But it needed to be done. It was a terrible situation with no good outcome.

I just hope that all the people who wanted out, get out.