About 3 years ago, a kid, 18, got charged with harassment. (all of these things happened within a mile of our house - or less).
He was driving down a county road, saw 2 girls walking (13 and 14 at the time). He turned his car around and drove past them again, slowly. He then turned around and did it again.
He stopped his car. Girls were spooked and started running into a field. Luckily, they had a cell phone and called 911, and luckily a deputy was nearby. Pulled the guy over. Found a notebook in his vehicle with a long list of names: girls, and what he'd do to them if he ever found them alone.
He got probation for that. Sheriff's office said they would contact every parent of each kid listed in the notebook.
In fact, my dad called me shortly there after to ask if Sooga's name was on the list. I knew exactly what he was talking about and said "Look, the sheriff hasn't contacted us, so I don't think so. Sooga knows the kid though." (my niece was listed in the list)
So, he gets probation.
Skippy done messed up. In January, he broke into a home - yeah, across the fields about 600 yards from me. I see their horses every day.). Luckily, that home had an alarm system, and video. (and yes, 1 of their daughters had been on his original list). Just after midnight he went in. Alarm went off - wife called 911 while the husband got a gun.
The kid fled before cops could get there. 2 county sheriff's, and a local cop......searched, but couldn't find anyone.
Video surveillance won the day/night and the next day they arrested him.
He got the max sentence today. 7-10 1/2 years in prison.
This could be a 'james worley' prevention thing. If you don't know who james worley is, look him up. He's on death row in Ohio for rape and murder.
So are we. For what ever reason, my daughter wasn't on his list.
His first incident occurred about a mile from us. He lives about a mile from us as well. The second incident where he broke into the home? Well, I could look outside right now and see the house.
Kid has issues. That's why I brought up james worley - sentenced to death for murder of a young girl.
Bad news is, this kid will be in a prison where he'll likely? get abused, and will def. get smarter as to how to do things (like, not have a notebook of his intended victims)
About 3 years ago, a kid, 18, got charged with harassment. (all of these things happened within a mile of our house - or less).
He was driving down a county road, saw 2 girls walking (13 and 14 at the time). He turned his car around and drove past them again, slowly. He then turned around and did it again.
He stopped his car. Girls were spooked and started running into a field. Luckily, they had a cell phone and called 911, and luckily a deputy was nearby. Pulled the guy over. Found a notebook in his vehicle with a long list of names: girls, and what he'd do to them if he ever found them alone.
He got probation for that. Sheriff's office said they would contact every parent of each kid listed in the notebook.
In fact, my dad called me shortly there after to ask if Sooga's name was on the list. I knew exactly what he was talking about and said "Look, the sheriff hasn't contacted us, so I don't think so. Sooga knows the kid though." (my niece was listed in the list)
So, he gets probation.
Skippy done messed up. In January, he broke into a home - yeah, across the fields about 600 yards from me. I see their horses every day.). Luckily, that home had an alarm system, and video. (and yes, 1 of their daughters had been on his original list). Just after midnight he went in. Alarm went off - wife called 911 while the husband got a gun.
The kid fled before cops could get there. 2 county sheriff's, and a local cop......searched, but couldn't find anyone.
Video surveillance won the day/night and the next day they arrested him.
He got the max sentence today. 7-10 1/2 years in prison.
This could be a 'james worley' prevention thing. If you don't know who james worley is, look him up. He's on death row in Ohio for rape and murder.
Sad.....for both families involved. The brother of a fairly good friend of mine was on death row and executed by the state of Ohio. I know it deeply affected my friend but he didn't show it as much as one might think. He never talked about it(the execution) and I never asked. It did seem to affect my friend in that before things transpired he was funny, extroverted, outgoing, etc.
After the execution he became a bit more introverted/quiet/kept to himself.
Arch? Did you know the family(his) or no, not at all?
In the end, a 16 year old with a list of girls, while troubling, makes it pretty hard to prosecute, or more on point hard to stick away for 10 years. Due to their youth, for every kid who acts out on the list, you have many more that don't.
I am not sticking up for the goof, I am just trying to explain how and why that happens. In the end, I tend to agree. What I don't agree with is the terms of probation. Just checking in with the probation officer isn't enough. I think much stricter psychological evaluations need to be a part of the process.
Sexual fantasies are real for adolescent males, and for some beyond "normal" that need treatment. For some, it is just a phase. For some a lifelong sickness that can't be cured.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
That's awful that family had to go through that. Can't imagine how hard it is for the daughter especially to ponder what could have happened had there been no alarm.
Glad the guy will have a long time to be incarcerated. Hopefully whatever mental illness/impulse control is overtaking him subsides during that time.
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you can easily reform those who commit crimes like theft and such.
but that? this sounds like a situation where society would've been much better off if he broke into someones home and was 'accidentally' met with a bullet.
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Usually not. Dudes like that get out, move to a different town, go on about their sick fantasies. It's like anything else though -- you (read: society) hope he's scared straight and never does anything again. Can you even really judge a "recovery rate"? How many are out there waiting for an opportunity, or have already got away with it. Sad thing is, in many cases, after incarceration they tend to "escalate" things. At that point, a bullet may be the only cure imo.
For anyone interested this is a mind-blowing show on Netflix. True to life retrospective of the FBI's beginnings in the study of serial killers and the exploration of criminal psychology.
They interview Manson, Kemper, BTK and the series works it's way through identifying suspects during the Atlanta child murders. Based on real interviews and the actual detectives that broke ground as we were entering very new ground in psychology and forensics.
In the end, a 16 year old with a list of girls, while troubling, makes it pretty hard to prosecute, or more on point hard to stick away for 10 years. Due to their youth, for every kid who acts out on the list, you have many more that don't.
I am not sticking up for the goof, I am just trying to explain how and why that happens. In the end, I tend to agree. What I don't agree with is the terms of probation. Just checking in with the probation officer isn't enough. I think much stricter psychological evaluations need to be a part of the process.
Sexual fantasies are real for adolescent males, and for some beyond "normal" that need treatment. For some, it is just a phase. For some a lifelong sickness that can't be cured.
Perhaps I didn't make it clear in my original post. I'll try to clear that up now: He got probation in the past for the incident with the girls in the field - chasing them - and the notebook in his car.
In the incident, from January - where he broke into a home, he just got sentenced to prison for 7-10 1/2 years.
Arch? Did you know the family(his) or no, not at all?
I might not be clear on what you're asking. The guy that got the death sentence a couple of years ago? No, I didn't know him, nor did I know the victim.
Or, this kid I'm talking about? No, I didn't know him or his family.
The family this kid broke into their house? yes, I know them, and their kids. The daughter in that family that was listed in the notebook a few years ago? She was ...........well, I guess traumatized would be the word.
I am a gun owner but I'm not sure how I would respond if I found out my daughters name was on a list like that and the person that compiled the list was still freely roaming around. I can't be there 24/7....
I am a gun owner but I'm not sure how I would respond if I found out my daughters name was on a list like that and the person that compiled the list was still freely roaming around. I can't be there 24/7....
Well, that's why the Henry Co. Sheriff's office, a few years ago - when he was caught with the notebook - said they would notify parents of kids that were on the list.
No parent can be with their kid 24/7.
There is a reason that some families got security systems - camera's, alarms, etc.
The potentially worst part of all this, at this time, is: when he got popped with the list, he was a 17-18 year old naive kid.
He got probation.
At age 20-21, he carried out an aim/goal of his - still a naive young kid. Now, he gets sent to prison. He'll learn how not to be naive, I'm afraid.
Just like James Worley - he spent time in prison PRIOR to his killing Sierra Joughin - for the same thing minus the actual rape and murder. He learned.
Anyone can watch James' Worley trial on youtube, if they care. Again, James was NOT the kid I'm talking about.
So, there's 2 different people I've referred to. Worley was found, tried, and sentenced to death.
This kid, and I won't use his name, got a max of 10 or 10 1/2 years.
Sadly, it took this kid breaking into a home, near me, for me to discern that all of our outside lights would be on at night. (5 of them), And, the doors would be locked at all times. We got our 3 entry doors replaced, and keyed the same. (saved on the hassle of having 3 different keys - which were never used).
Bad people exist. I am also a gun owner. I fancy that as a last line of defense. First is lights. Second is locked doors. Third is the dog. While, at 21 lbs, he won't stop an intruder, he'll sure as heck wake me up - and he'll be a pain in the intruders butt - or heel.
For anyone interested this is a mind-blowing show on Netflix. True to life retrospective of the FBI's beginnings in the study of serial killers and the exploration of criminal psychology.
They interview Manson, Kemper, BTK and the series works it's way through identifying suspects during the Atlanta child murders. Based on real interviews and the actual detectives that broke ground as we were entering very new ground in psychology and forensics.
Best series I've watched in a long time.
Sounds interesting. My wife is into those shows like "The 1st 48".
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Don't understand some folks on this board. An 18 yr old is a LEGAL ADULT. Raise you kids well and have them mostly ready for adulthood. Young adults are sent to fight our wars all the time, they aren't called kids. Young man send away for burglary, breaking and entering....good, maybe he'll mature in prison. Stating you'd shoot him to cure him is wrong. Peace.
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One thing I can state for a fact, even when your children are grown, you will always think of them as your children. Yes, they are legal adults in the eyes of the law, you will always feel the need to be there for them and protect them.
As a parent, having some creepy older guy keep driving slowly past your daughter is most certainly viewed as a threat. In the eyes of the law there was no physical touching and no verbal or direct threat from a criminal standpoint. Therein lies the contradiction in such a situation. One sees that as a direct, physical threat, the parent. The law does not see it that way at all.
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