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I understand that. Once again, I don't understand why the law is written that way. Let me give you an example here. Even if you took the domestic violence charges off the table he still committed other crimes in that action. Attempted breaking and entering. Disorderly conduct and I'm sure there are more. So why would you make more laws against what he did when there were already laws on the books to charge him with for what he did?
Let me give you a topic where you may understand my thought process a little better. Anti gun people wish to make gun laws more restrictive. They want to create new laws and make background checks more stringent.
Do you know what gun proponents say? "There are already laws on the books that cover gun laws and background checks. We don't need more laws. Just enforce the laws on the books."
Hopefully that will help clear things up for you.
I'm not saying he shouldn't be charged and or convicted of domestic violence if the prosecutor moves forward with those charges and can prove his case. That's the way the law works. I'm not excusing his actions. I'm saying that there were already laws on the books that covered his actions he could have been prosecuted for so I don't see the need for laws that are simply repetitive.
And we both know if anyone sees or finds out you have a domestic violence conviction, they think you did a lot more than beat up a door.
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I understand that. Once again, I don't understand why the law is written that way. Let me give you an example here. Even if you took the domestic violence charges off the table he still committed other crimes in that action. Attempted breaking and entering. Disorderly conduct and I'm sure there are more. So why would you make more laws against what he did when there were already laws on the books to charge him with for what he did?
If it were some random drunk guy pounding on the door, then DV charges wouldn't apply. But it was Mrs. Sherman's husband, a man who she trusts for her protection and well-being, with whom she has shared parental, familial, and legal obligations. In the moment of the incident, what happens to that trust? Can she really trust him for her safety if he's the treat? How can she trust that future incidents won't compromise their shared responsibilities? These are specific ways in which the potential for emotional injury exceed the same behavior from a stranger. While yes, the lessor charges apply to the specific actions, they don't address the increased potential for emotional injury the comes from the intimacy of their relationship.
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Short and Geno Atkins both recently got cleared to play. I wouldn’t mind taking a look at either of those guys.
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I can guarantee you that our FO is way ahead of us on that, and have already decided whether or not to take a deeper look.
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Yep, those names have been on a list for months.
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And it's a great feeling to know that.
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I understand that. Once again, I don't understand why the law is written that way. Let me give you an example here. It has been explained to you. I don't care about your examples because your examples don't matter.
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I know, you're the "it is what it is" guy and any discussion beyond that is meaningless to you. Carry on.....
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I will. I don't see any point in discussing your hypothetical examples. I am not trying to be short.
It is what it is. Call your state and federal officials and try to get the laws changed.
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Actually I thought the discussion was over until you brought it back up. But hey, you have every right to do so. 
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Good. The discussion is over.
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Seeing some really bad takes on TV about the reason why the front office haven't signed Baker to an extension yet and stuff.
I will always go with the easiest of em all. Is that they're just waiting to see the other shoes to drop.. Like Allen. And Jackson.
I'd expect the talks to now start heating up since Allen's extension has gone through
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If by "they" you mean Baker and his agent I would agree. The price tag for QB's has been increasing beyond belief. I don't believe waiting gave the Browns any advantage at all. But it may have very well have given Baker an advantage.
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I’m not completely sold on Allen. He’s been better than I’ve expected but the AFC Championship game showed me everything about him I don’t like. He’ll likely continue to put up good numbers but I see him relying on his legs too quickly and I don’t see great decision making happening at crucial moments. That’s concerning. He’s still a top young prospect don’t get me wrong. I’m just not overly impressed.
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When that draft class was entering the draft I spent months crunching tape like it was my decision.
I really liked Allen but felt he had the furthest to go in development. In a breakdown I did. I said if you have patience with him knowing he will make mistakes. And, you stick with him. He will have the biggest upside.
At the same time I also felt he could bust. He was really raw. Had the big arm and frame. I loved his toughness. But he was inconsistent with accuracy and his decision making may take a long time to learn the NFL defenses.
He really improved last year. He worked with Jordan Palmer in the off season. He actually changed his arm angle. He dropped it to 3/4 and his accuracy improved.
However, I understand the lack of trust. Now everyone has put him into the elite room. This will be big year for him. Like Baker and Browns big time expectations.
Now he signs a huge deal. We shall see.
Seems like people are in a rush to judgement.
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Josh Allen has busted his butt to become one of the best QBs in the league... and still has the highest ceiling. I predicted then and expect still now, that he will be the best QB in that class. I would love to be proven wrong by Baker Mayfield.
Accuracy has improved tremendously, decision making much better, cannon for an arm that can release missiles and bombs from any angle. Last year it became evident that he can adjust his velocity and throw with perfect touch and loft whenever he needs to. Running in the open field -- he looks like Gronk -- and he will run over you and laugh about it. 3rd and short = 1st down, even while the whole world knows what's coming.
I just call him Paul Bunyan.
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Teams have capologists so I don't stress over contracts.
But from what little I know guaranteed money is the important number.
These contracts get manipulated all the time.
In regards to Baker.
Some of the things I read like "Bart Scott" and others I just shake my head.
"He has to prove he can win from the pocket with the game on the line"? What? Why? If you can win what difference does it matter?
"He is the weak link because Cleveland is a run base offense." What? Does Baker draw up the play book? Does Baker call the plays?
If a team has two runners as good as Chubb/Hunt. Why would you not give them the ball?
"He played well the second half of last year. I need to see if he can take it to the next level."
If I hear in any context about taking it to the next level. I may hurl.
Quarterbacks play in systems. An offensive scheme designed to maximise the talent on the team. All quarterbacks are system quarterbacks. Lamar is a system quarterback. Peyton and Brady were and are system quarterbacks. They all run a designed system.
Peyton was unique because he really became a on the field coach. He could break a defense down by sight. He ran the offense.
You don't do that overnight.
Baker will get his contract with Cleveland. It will be a good deal for both parties.
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I’m not completely sold on Allen. He’s been better than I’ve expected but the AFC Championship game showed me everything about him I don’t like. He’ll likely continue to put up good numbers but I see him relying on his legs too quickly and I don’t see great decision making happening at crucial moments. That’s concerning. He’s still a top young prospect don’t get me wrong. I’m just not overly impressed. Maybe so, but it doesn't really matter. Baker and his agent will use that as a starting point.
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And if Lamar signs before Baker they'll use that contract in their negotiations as well. As I said before, the only one that gains by waiting for Baker to sign is Baker.
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Maybe it's just me, but it seems that Achilles injuries are more common then even 10 years ago.
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Could Achilles injuries be a byproduct of better nutrition and lower body fat content among a group all around set. A guess.
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Its like the oblique muscle injuries in baseball. It seems like training has trended increasingly towards strength and away from flexibility. Less weights and more stretching might be a good thing for athletes in all the sports.
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It's not just the flexibility, either. Attachment tissue, tendons and ligaments, take longer to increase in strength vs large muscles. That's why people on the juice were susceptible to pec and biceps tears. The tears don't actually occur in the muscle, they occur where the muscle attaches to the bone. The way players can pile on over 10lbs of muscle in one offseason, I'm surprised we don't see even more injuries.
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It's not just the flexibility, either. Attachment tissue, tendons and ligaments, take longer to increase in strength vs large muscles. That's why people on the juice were susceptible to pec and biceps tears. The tears don't actually occur in the muscle, they occur where the muscle attaches to the bone. The way players can pile on over 10lbs of muscle in one offseason, I'm surprised we don't see even more injuries. I can pack on 10 lbs on a 5 day cruise. :), well pre-covid
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Didn't Beasley wear a mask but was sent home (even though he has tested negative) after being near a trainer who did?
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Especially considering their offense is set and have many of the same guys (I do think they have a couple new Olinemen, but that's it).
I'm curious how that math works out in terms of what was gained vs what was lost.
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