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Originally Posted By: jfanent
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Whoever comes up with an inexpensive, personal-use, easy-to-use, inconspicuous bodycam will make millions.


If this happens, people are going to fear saying anything to anyone given the A/V editing technology we now have. Personal conversations will probably be reduced to vanilla pc statements. Out of context and heavily edited video snippets will permeate social media.


It already happens now, just going to get worse. There's youtubers and tik tok'ers out there that intentionally record and provoke hoping to trap someone into something they can post.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Can you imagine any person living their day to day life believing in click bait? They must feel deranged.


No, but I don't have to. I just have to come here and read some of the more [um] creative posts with links to articles just like you describe.


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Yeah, our military drones have low resolution cameras. Just like the one's at 7/11. rofl


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
The fringe of either party always makes the news because they are the most dramatic. They are the click bait in a system geared towards ratings and a money shot.

They don't really represent the majority of either side.

I think most people realize this.

Can you imagine any person living their day to day life believing in click bait? They must feel deranged.


That sounds great in theory. But watch how they vote on the house floor. Look at how many of them voted not to register the election even after the insurrection. What you're saying doesn't match up with what they're doing. Their actions speak for themselves.


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Yeah, our military drones have low resolution cameras. Just like the one's at 7/11. rofl



Not any better at banks either.

"Have you seen the man in these images?" Umm, no, I can't tell if it's a bald man with a sunburn and dark eyes, or a guy with a red hat and sunglasses, get better cameras. smile


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You would be correct - I read it as members of dawgtalkers. My bad. My sincerest apology.

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Just trying to make sure I'm following this thing correctly...

we got 90% of the American's out of Afghanistan that wanted out? but left 10% which is somewhere between 100-200 people? Why did we pull out all of our troops if there are still Americans that wanted to get out?


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Just trying to make sure I'm following this thing correctly...

we got 90% of the American's out of Afghanistan that wanted out? but left 10% which is somewhere between 100-200 people? Why did we pull out all of our troops if there are still Americans that wanted to get out?


That is what I heard as well. I don't think there is any reason I would consider good enough to excuse this.


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Last I saw there were 29 h.s. students from somewhere in California - maybe San Diego, that were left.

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Last I saw there were 29 h.s. students from somewhere in California - maybe San Diego, that were left.


What the hell are high school students doing going to Afghanistan??? that's just weird....

scary as well if they were truly left.... I'd be pissed if I was their parent....


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Originally Posted By: jaybird
I'd be pissed if I was their parent....


I'm trying to understand why a parent would consent to send their kid to an active war-torn country on a field trip... superconfused superconfused

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Originally Posted By: jaybird
Just trying to make sure I'm following this thing correctly...

we got 90% of the American's out of Afghanistan that wanted out? but left 10% which is somewhere between 100-200 people? Why did we pull out all of our troops if there are still Americans that wanted to get out?


Deducing from a couple of reports I've seen some of the Americans were left behind by their choice to stay and wrap up their affairs. One lady was running a dog rescue and stayed behind to get some 200 more dogs out. Saw this story after some false reporting from the right accused the administration of leaving behind military German Shepherds. Turns out they were her rescue dogs in portable kennels. There is also these kids and I have no idea what their story is.

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I believe most are Afghanis, if not all. I wouldn't send my kids there but I'm not in their shoes.


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Part of the problem is Biden said that 90% of Americans got out that wanted out. Apparently the White House corrected him with a 98% figure. There is supposedly 100-200 hundred Americans left behind according to the administration. I'm not sure how much faith I have in this Administration's numbers.

https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-quiet...FUW3Mgrkau63snm

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I question all the numbers the government puts out regardless of who is in control. That said, I'd be more inclined to trust this admins numbers than the last admin because WE KNOW they cooked the books on everything.

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Originally Posted By: fishtheice
Originally Posted By: jaybird
I'd be pissed if I was their parent....


I'm trying to understand why a parent would consent to send their kid to an active war-torn country on a field trip... superconfused superconfused



Me too... and I gots no answer, either.

What 'brain-disconnect' would allow a parent to disregard every natural protective instinct, and sign a consent form to transport their kid into Hell On Earth?


I can't calculate this, bro.
I really can't.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
lol, with a high-res pic/video and a few sound clips a very convincing deep fake can be made of anybody saying and doing anything the video creator wants. I think that tech will be used in politics before 2024, if it hasn't already.


And I predict the cons will be the first to do it. Just a gut feeling.


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Originally Posted By: fishtheice
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I'd be pissed if I was their parent....


I'm trying to understand why a parent would consent to send their kid to an active war-torn country on a field trip... superconfused superconfused

It definitely sounds like they are Afghanis...

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Earlier Tuesday, the total number of students from San Juan Unified School District still in Afghanistan was thought to be 32, but the district since learned that three students had been evacuated, he said.

The Sacramento area has one of the largest populations of Afghan immigrants in the U.S.


That's what just about every news source sounds like (they all copy/paste nowadays).

So, next question for me... wouldn't they, above all other groups, know that we were pulling out and the place may be chaotic?


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The left wants to turn the whole world into Afghanistan.


As if Republicans didn't do exactly that in Texas this week.


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Video shows BBC reporter looking stunned when Lindsey Grahams said the US would reinvade Afghanistan to fight Al Qaeda

https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-shows-bbc-reporter-looking-091120221.html

Graham said: "But most importantly, they're going to give safe haven to Al Qaeda who has ambitions to drive us out of the Mid East writ large and attack us because of our way of life."

"We will be going back into Afghanistan, as we went back into Iraq and Syria."

Sackur then looked shocked, and interrupted Graham.

"Hang on. You seriously think the United States will once again, in the foreseeable future, put troops back into Afghanistan?"

Graham replied: "We'll have to. We'll have to. Because the threat will be so large. It will be a cauldron for radical Islamic behavior."

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Lindsey Graham is a chicken hawk... I would expect that from him.


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They only started the war
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They leave that role to the poor, yeah


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Or maybe it just doesn't add up to the agenda you wish to portray.

What agenda could I possibly have? I don't benefit one way or the other.

It's not my fault that the article takes a string of ideas that when mixed together give off that distinct aroma of bull poo.

If they knew that the vehicle was loaded with explosives and arriving in Kabul, why would they wait until it was in the city?

How could the on-the-ground intel possibly be this good now that most of our people are out of Afghanistan? This from the same intel community that predicted it would take 90 days for the Taliban to take Kabul. If there intel is that good, then maybe they can tell us what is in the trunk of my car right now.

The rest of the world is seeing news that says we hit civilians. Who knows
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210831-us-drone-strike-wiped-out-kabul-family-brother-says

Now, if the image used in that article is legit, then I don't see a car that was being driven in Kabul. That car was clearly parked. Also, the massive explosion was only large enough to moderately damage structures immediately adjacent to it. About what I would expect from a car with a tank of gasoline getting hit by a missile.

I will be glad to be wrong, but their story is not very believable.


NYT investigation supports your suspicions. Video included in the links includes security camera footage and eyewitness interviews.

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb
U.S. officials said a Reaper drone followed a car for hours and then fired based on evidence it was carrying explosives. But in-depth video analysis and interviews at the site cast doubt on that account.

Reported by Matthieu Aikins, Christoph Koettl, Evan Hill and Eric SchmittWritten by Matthieu Aikins
Sept. 10, 2021, 4:09 p.m. ET

KABUL, Afghanistan — It was the last known missile fired by the United States in its 20-year war in Afghanistan, and the military called it a “righteous strike” — a drone attack after hours of surveillance on Aug. 29 against a vehicle that American officials thought contained an ISIS bomb and posed an imminent threat to troops at Kabul’s airport.

But a New York Times investigation of video evidence, along with interviews with more than a dozen of the driver’s co-workers and family members in Kabul, raises doubts about the U.S. version of events, including whether explosives were present in the vehicle, whether the driver had a connection to ISIS, and whether there was a second explosion after the missile struck the car.

Military officials said they did not know the identity of the car’s driver when the drone fired, but deemed him suspicious because of how they interpreted his activities that day, saying that he possibly visited an ISIS safe house and, at one point, loaded what they thought could be explosives into the car.

Times reporting has identified the driver as Zemari Ahmadi, a longtime worker for a U.S. aid group. The evidence, including extensive interviews with family members, co-workers and witnesses, suggests that his travels that day actually involved transporting colleagues to and from work. And an analysis of video feeds showed that what the military may have seen was Mr. Ahmadi and a colleague loading canisters of water into his trunk to bring home to his family.

While the U.S. military said the drone strike might have killed three civilians, Times reporting shows that it killed 10, including seven children, in a dense residential block.

Mr. Ahmadi, 43, had worked since 2006 as an electrical engineer for Nutrition and Education International, a California-based aid and lobbying group. The morning of the strike, Mr. Ahmadi’s boss called from the office at around 8:45 a.m., and asked him to pick up his laptop.

“I asked him if he was still at home, and he said yes,” the country director said in an interview at N.E.I.’s office in Kabul. Like the rest of Mr. Ahmadi’s colleagues, he spoke on condition of anonymity because of his association with an American company in Afghanistan.

According to his relatives, that morning Mr. Ahmadi left for work around 9 a.m. in a white 1996 Corolla that belonged to N.E.I., departing from his house, where he lived with his three brothers and their families, a few kilometers west of the airport.

U.S. officials told The Times that it was around this time that their target, a white sedan, first came under surveillance, after it was spotted leaving a compound identified as an alleged ISIS safe house about five kilometers northwest of the airport.

It is unclear if officials were referring to one of the three stops that Mr. Ahmadi made to pick up two passengers and the laptop on his way to work: The latter location, the home of N.E.I.’s country director, was close to where a rocket attack claimed by ISIS would be launched against the airport the following morning, from an improvised launcher concealed inside the trunk of a Toyota Corolla, a model similar to Mr. Ahmadi’s vehicle.

A Times reporter visited the director at his home, and met with members of his family, who said they had been living there for 40 years. “We have nothing to do with terrorism or ISIS,” said the director, who also has a U.S. resettlement case. “We love America. We want to go there.”

Throughout the day, an MQ-9 Reaper drone continued to track Mr. Ahmadi’s vehicle as it drove around Kabul, and U.S. officials claimed they intercepted communications between the sedan and the alleged ISIS safe house, instructing it to make several stops.

But the people who rode with Mr. Ahmadi that day said that what the military interpreted as a series of suspicious moves was simply a normal day at work.

After stopping to pick up breakfast, Mr. Ahmadi and his two passengers arrived at N.E.I.’s office, where security camera footage obtained by The Times recorded their arrival at 9:35 a.m. Later that morning Mr. Ahmadi drove some co-workers to a Taliban-occupied police station downtown, where they said they requested permission to distribute food to refugees in a nearby park. Mr. Ahmadi and his three passengers returned to the office around 2 p.m.

As seen on camera footage, Mr. Ahmadi came out a half-hour later with a hose that was streaming water. With the help of a guard, he filled several empty plastic containers. According to his co-workers, water deliveries had stopped in his neighborhood after the collapse of the government and Mr. Ahmadi had been bringing home water from the office.

“I filled the containers myself, and helped him load them into the trunk,” the guard said.

At 3:38 p.m., the guard and another co-worker moved the car farther into the driveway. The camera footage ends soon after, when the office shut off its generator at the end of the work day, and Mr. Ahmadi and three passengers left for home.

Around this time, U.S. officials said that the drone had tracked Mr. Ahmadi to a compound eight to 12 kilometers southwest of the airport, a location that matched N.E.I.’s office. There, they said the drone observed Mr. Ahmadi and three others loading heavy packages into the car, which they believed might contain explosives.

But the passengers said that they had only two laptops with them, which they put inside the vehicle, and that the trunk had no other cargo than the plastic water-filled containers that were placed there earlier. In separate interviews, all three passengers denied loading explosives into the vehicle they were about to commute home in.

According to one of Mr. Ahmadi’s passengers, a colleague who regularly commuted with him, the ride home was filled with their usual laughing and banter, but with one difference: Mr. Ahmadi kept the radio silent, as he was afraid of getting in trouble with the Taliban. “He liked happy music,” the colleague said. “That day, we couldn’t play any in the car.”

Mr. Ahmadi dropped off his three passengers, and then headed for his home near the airport. “I asked him to come in for a bit, but he said he was tired,” the last passenger said.

Although U.S. officials said that at that point they still knew little about Mr. Ahmadi’s identity, they had become convinced that the white sedan he was driving posed an imminent threat to troops at the airport.

When Mr. Ahmadi pulled into the courtyard of his home — which officials said was different than the alleged ISIS safe house — the tactical commander made the decision to strike his vehicle, launching a Hellfire missile at around 4:50 p.m.

Although the target was now inside a densely populated residential area, the drone operator quickly scanned and saw only a single adult male greeting the vehicle, and therefore assessed with “reasonable certainty” that no women, children or noncombatants would be killed, U.S. officials said.

But according to his relatives, as Mr. Ahmadi pulled into his courtyard, several of his children and his brothers’ children came out, excited to see him, and sat in the car as he backed it inside. Mr. Ahmadi’s brother Romal was sitting on the ground floor with his wife when he heard the sound of the gate opening, and Mr. Ahmadi’s car entering. His adult cousin Naser had gone to fetch water for his ablutions, and greeted him.

The car’s engine was still running when there was a sudden blast, and the room was sprayed with shattered glass from the window, Romal recalled. He staggered to his feet. “Where are the children?” he asked his wife.

“They’re outside,” she replied.

Romal ran out into the courtyard; he saw that his nephew Faysal, 16, had fallen from the exterior staircase, his torso and head grievously wounded by shrapnel. “He wasn’t breathing.”

Amid the smoke and fire, he saw another dead nephew, before neighbors arrived and pulled him away, he said.

Since the strike, U.S. military officials justified their actions by citing an even larger blast that took place afterward.

“Because there were secondary explosions, there is a reasonable conclusion to be made that there is explosives in that vehicle,” the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark A. Milley, said last week.

But an examination of the scene of the strike, conducted by the Times visual investigations team and a Times reporter the morning afterward, and followed up with a second visit four days later, found no evidence of a second, more powerful explosion.

Experts who examined photos and videos pointed out that, although there was clear evidence of a missile strike and subsequent vehicle fire, there were no collapsed or blown-out walls, no destroyed vegetation, and only one dent in the entrance gate, indicating a single shock wave.

“It seriously questions the credibility of the intelligence or technology utilized to determine this was a legitimate target,” said Chris Cobb-Smith, a British Army veteran and security consultant.

While the U.S. military has so far acknowledged only three civilian casualties, Mr. Ahmadi’s relatives said that 10 members of their family, including seven children, were killed in the strike: Mr. Ahmadi and three of his children, Zamir, 20, Faisal, 16, and Farzad, 10; Mr. Ahmadi’s cousin Naser, 30; three of Romal’s children, Arwin, 7, Benyamin, 6, and Hayat, 2; and two 3-year-old girls, Malika and Somaya.

Neighbors and an Afghan health official confirmed that bodies of children were removed from the site. They said the blast had shredded most of the victims; fragments of human remains were seen inside and around the compound the next day by a reporter, including blood and flesh splattered on interior walls and ceilings. Mr. Ahmadi’s relatives provided photographs of several badly burned bodies belonging to children.

Family members questioned why Mr. Ahmadi would have a motivation to attack Americans when he had already applied for refugee resettlement in the United States. His adult cousin Naser, a former U.S. military contractor, had also applied for resettlement. He had planned to marry his fiancée, Samia, last Friday so that she could be included in his immigration case.

“All of them were innocent,” said Emal, Mr. Ahmadi’s brother. “You say he was ISIS, but he worked for the Americans.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/world/asia/drone-isis-kabul-civilians.html

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NYT investigation supports your suspicions. Video included in the links includes security camera footage and eyewitness interviews.
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"Experts who examined photos and videos pointed out that, although there was clear evidence of a missile strike and subsequent vehicle fire, there were no collapsed or blown-out walls, no destroyed vegetation, and only one dent in the entrance gate, indicating a single shock wave."
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More importantly and according to the article, I am now an explosives investigation expert. I am adding that to my resume.

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No wonder why they think we are the terrorists.


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Holy expletive... what a cluster


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You think he ordered a strike on children? Obviously the intel was garbage.


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That doesn't matter to some people. They'll excuse one president for the direct decisions he made and blame the next one on a decision he didn't make.


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I think Biden is unhinged and some general should call ahead and warn the Taiban we might strick.

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Just so we're clear... is Biden a senile stooge for Kamala who is also AWOL, is Biden unhinged and ordering drone strikes on children in retaliation for the suicide bombing at the airport, or is he a planted Communist who's master plan is to cede power to China or Russia or whatever bad-guy-du-jour you have going at the time?

Personally, I think he's largely lost his faculties and people voted the dopey 'Uncle Joe' because he wasn't Trump and he's what the DNC thrust on us.

Regardless, he definitely wasn't the person in Afghanistan who passed the info that a truck full of explosives was actually full of kids. Also wasn't the person who was reporting that the Afghan military was 'totally good, they got this'. The entire Afghanistan situation, tip-to-tail has been a 20-year non-stop cluster, and it ended as such with Biden at the helm.


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mentally unbalanced; deranged.
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Holy expletive... what a cluster


thats an understatement. whoever the commander was that oversaw the strike needs to resign asap


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You think he ordered a strike on children? Obviously the intel was garbage.


On Aug 26, we vowed that we would retaliate for the airport attacks.
Two days later, our guys are telling the Taliban that a car would arrive in Kabul, and then we would destroy it. Then, a missile strike.

We then immediately see every mainstream outlet reporting that we took out terrorists with a drone. Like the U.S. immediately rushes out and advertises every drone strike? At that point, people should be thinking 'This looks like propaganda'.

This was all about generating positive PR because we were looking so weak in how we left Afghanistan. If only three guys were blown up in that explosion, the story would have ended there. They probably didn't count on killing some children and now the story ended up getting more attention than they ever wanted it to have.

If intel is garbage, then it is the job of the team calling in the strike (which used to be a process with multiple intel reviewers and probably still is) to know the quality of the intel.
In this case, there most likely never was any intel.

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