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Bilal must be a new hire. He said the quiet part out loud.

Or maybe it just doesn't add up to the agenda you wish to portray.

It's very hard to get an accurate number. The estimates I've seen have been anywhere between 100 and up to 250 people. You see, the protocol when going to Afghanistan is that you are supposed to report to the embassy upon arrival and report again just before you depart. That way they know how many Americans are there and who those Americans are.

For any American that arrives and doesn't report, they don't even know they're there. For those who depart without reporting, they have no idea they left.

As for "who they are" it makes determining that very difficult.

I didn't know this occurred.

The Demoncrats just flat do not care about human life. They prove that over and over fighting for abortion. I do not understand why people cannot see that. Life does not matter to Demoncrats. Never has never will. Only power and political gain. Sad very sad!

What agenda could I possibly have? I don't benefit one way or the other.

It's not my fault that the article takes a string of ideas that when mixed together give off that distinct aroma of bull poo.

If they knew that the vehicle was loaded with explosives and arriving in Kabul, why would they wait until it was in the city?

How could the on-the-ground intel possibly be this good now that most of our people are out of Afghanistan? This from the same intel community that predicted it would take 90 days for the Taliban to take Kabul. If there intel is that good, then maybe they can tell us what is in the trunk of my car right now.

The rest of the world is seeing news that says we hit civilians. Who knows
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210831-us-drone-strike-wiped-out-kabul-family-brother-says

Now, if the image used in that article is legit, then I don't see a car that was being driven in Kabul. That car was clearly parked. Also, the massive explosion was only large enough to moderately damage structures immediately adjacent to it. About what I would expect from a car with a tank of gasoline getting hit by a missile.

I will be glad to be wrong, but their story is not very believable.

Did you ever stop to think that the explosives might have been loaded in the vehicle IN Kabul? Or that they didn't find out about the vehicle until it was IN Kabul?

When you're searching for a single answer to a question it helps prevent you from entertaining other strong possibilities.

What a PATHETIC bunch of demons (Biden/China/Globalists/Mass Media) in control of our country. Every day is a new low for the nation. Oh, and this is exactly what they want.

To hell with all of them!

#snowflake or is it #snowfake?

Lol. Boo Hoo. Conservative tears. Like a soccer player taking a dive and protesting a foul without being touched by the defender. Boo flipping hoo. If you haven’t served this country in the military and been in a war zone. You don’t know squat …. Sit down son!

This ^ coming from the anitmask, antivax, covid is a hoax, kids don't need masks, "jews will not replace us" party is just as priceless as it is absurd. STOP. Just stop.

And I'll ask again, where were all these GOPer tears when Trump abandoned the Kurds? smh, hypocrisy at its worst.

Your post would've made a lot more sense if you included our abruptly leaving Syria.

This ^ coming from the anitmask, antivax, covid is a hoax, kids don't need masks, "jews will not replace us" party is just as priceless as it is absurd. STOP. Just stop.

And I'll ask again, where were all these GOPer tears when Trump abandoned the Kurds? smh, hypocrisy at its worst.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he meant when he said, "And I'll ask again, where were all these GOPer tears when Trump abandoned the Kurds?"

But I understand your point. Most of the Trumpians weren't paying attention to what he did so you need to explain it to them a little clearer.

Oh jeez... was that there originally? I think I need to step away from the computer.

You have a short memory. Not surprising...


President Obama betrayed the Kurds

Trump expunged Obama’s draconian rules of engagement, unleashed American Special Forces with sufficient power to wipe ISIS of the Iraqi-Syrian landmass and returned them from a Caliphate to a terrorist group.

Dr. Aviel Sheyin-Stevens



President Donald Trump’s critics claim that his removal of 50 US special forces from the Syrian border with Turkey enabled a Turkish invasion, and betrayed the Syrian Kurds. In fact, it was President Barack Obama who betrayed the Syrian Kurds by abandoning them to the Islamic State.

In 2011, war started in Syria after an insurrection by Syrian Sunnis against the Iranian-sponsored regime of President Bashar al Assad. And Obama responded with an empty declaration of support for Assad’s overthrow.

Obama did nothing as the regime’s atrocities mounted. He supported an irresponsible Turkish effort to raise a resistance army, dominated by Muslim Brotherhood jihadists.

Obama infamously issued his “red line” regarding Assad’s use of chemical weapons against civilians, which Obama repudiated the moment it was crossed.

As Islamic State forces gathered in Iraq and Syria, Obama shrugged them off as a “JV team.” When the “junior varsity team” took over a third of Iraqi and Syrian territory, Obama did essentially nothing. To President Obama, the Islamic State was a “junior varsity team,” which is a junior varsity analogy.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was the Iraqi-born leader of the Islamic State, an international terrorist organization. After its formal expansion into Syria in 2013, he announced the formation of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) – alternatively translated from Arabic as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

In June 2014, ISIS announced the establishment of a worldwide caliphate, and al-Baghdadi was named its caliph, to be known as “Caliph Ibrahim,” and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant was renamed the Islamic State.

ISIS terrorists looted every town they took in eastern Syria and northern Iraq; sold the oil they seized; burned victims alive in cages or slowly drowned them; threw people off rooftops, and beheaded others on videos they then broadcast online; kidnapped thousands of women, especially Christians, Kurds or Yazidis, and sold them as sex slaves or forced them to marry ISIS fighters or be their sex slaves; massacred any Shiite Muslims they could find; executed anyone trying to leave their caliphate; trafficked human organs they ripped from living captives and hostages; etc.


Obama was negotiating his nuclear deal with Iran that year. The real purpose of the deal was not to block Iran’s nuclear aspirations but to pivot US Middle East policy towards Iran.
In 2014, Obama at last decided to do something only after ISIS beheaded a number of American journalists and posted their decapitations on social media. But the timing was problematic; Obama was negotiating his nuclear deal with Iran that year. The real purpose of the deal was not to block Iran’s nuclear aspirations but to pivot US Middle East policy towards Iran.

Obama had no interest in harming Assad, Iran’s Syrian vassal, or in blocking Iran’s ally Russia from using the war in Syria as a means to reassert Moscow’s power in the region.

Obama structured the US campaign in a way that aligned it with Iran’s interests. He deployed about one thousand US soldiers to Syria, but greatly limited their mandate, making it impossible for the Americans to have a major effect on events in the country. They were prohibited from acting against Assad or Iran. They were tasked solely with fighting ISIS. His restrictive rules of engagement made achieving even that limited goal essentially impossible.

It was under Obama that ISIS seized the oil fields in eastern Syria and northern Iraq. But Trump expunged Obama’s draconian rules of engagement, and unleashed American Special Forces with sufficient power to wipe ISIS of the Iraqi-Syrian landmass.

When Trump became US President in January 2017, the Islamic State was like an emerging Saudi Arabia, blood-soaked and oil-rich, just awaiting diplomatic recognition. Month by month, Trump shrunk it, without committing vast numbers of American soldiers, and reduced it from a caliphate back to a terrorist group, which culminated in October 2019 with a well-executed raid on the Caliph.

The killing of al-Baghdadi is a robust retort to the condemnation that Trump’s decision to pull 50 US soldiers out of northern Syria was a betrayal of Syrian Kurds. It indicates that Trump could exert significant influence in the region and in the fight against terrorism.

Trump did not remove US forces from Syria. They are still deployed along the border crossing between Jordan, Iraq and Syria to block Iran from moving forces and materiel to Syria and Lebanon. They are also blocking Russian and Syrian forces from taking over the oil fields in eastern Syria.

Russia’s biggest problem in Syria is financial. The Russian economy is in a deep recession due to the fall in global oil prices. Russian President Putin planned to finance his Syrian operation with Syrian oil revenues. In January 2018, he signed an agreement with Assad that essentially transferred the rights to the Syrian oil to Russia.

In February 2018, a huge joint force of Russian mercenaries, Syrian commandos and Iranian Revolutionary Guards attempted to seize the town adjacent to the oil fields. But forty US special forces, deployed with Kurdish fighters, confronted them with massive American air assault that killed over 500 Syrian and Iranian soldiers, and over 100 Russian mercenaries, and ended the attack.

Since then, Russia tried at least once more to evict US forces from the oil field, only to be met with a massive demonstration of American power.

Trump’s ensuring US-Kurdish control over Syria’s oil fields compels Russia to keep funding its war in Syria directly. Given Russia’s financial constraints, Russia would likely restrain its Iranian, Syrian and Hezbollah partners, and their belligerent plans against America and Israel. His maintaining US-Kurdish control over Syria’s oil fields also provides the Kurdish-controlled Syrian Democratic Forces with the financial and military wherewithal to support and defend their people and their operations.


The Kurds are America’s friends, but not legal allies. Whereas, Turkey is America’s legal, treaty-bound, NATO ally that has become an American foe. If Trump were to send troops to save the Kurds from the Turks, he would be castigated by Democrats.
The Kurds are America’s friends, but not legal allies. Whereas, Turkey is America’s legal, treaty-bound, NATO ally that has become an American foe. If Trump were to send troops to save the Kurds from the Turks, he would be castigated by Democrats and Never-Trump Republicans for destroying NATO and starting another Mideast war.

Trump made it clear, however, that America did not support the Turkish planned invasion of the border zone in Syria. He also repeatedly pledged to destroy the Turkish economy if Turkey commits atrocities against the Kurds.

Trump has spent significant part of his term in office rebuilding America’s credibility as an ally, after Obama essentially abandoned Israel, the Sunni Arabs and the Kurds.

Obama reoriented America’s Middle East policy in favor of the ayatollahs, attempting to make Iran the regional superpower. But Trump renewed America’s alliances with America’s traditional Middle East allies: Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Arab monarchies.

President Trump did not betray the Syrian Kurds. It was President Obama who betrayed them.

Dr. Sheyin-Stevens is a Registered Patent Attorney based in Florida, USA. He earned his Doctorate in Law from the University of Miami.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/24702

Revisionist history and deflection.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/po...isaster-898493/

Also directly ties into the re-emergence of Isis in one state or another.

Yes.
That why I quoted this part of the story and joked that the new guy said the quiet part out loud:
"Karimi said the U.S military had told the Taliban that a vehicle full of explosives would arrive in Kabul and that the U.S. would destroy it."

It contradicts the story that people were seen loading explosives into a vehicle.

It's nonsense anyhow even without the accidental contradiction, think about it. Do you think a drone flew overhead with it's crappy low res camera and saw someone loading something that looked like a bomb into a car? maybe with a giant explosive caution sticker on it?

Plus we get the FLAG OFFICERS 4 America website- with supposedly nearly 200 Flag officers demanding immediate resignations....duh, yet can't find names AND DefenseIt’s a small step, but one place to start is give an “F” to a poorly written missive, supported by a self-selected group of retired white men, posted on a website that implies, somehow, these retirees are uniquely “for America.” This letter demonstrates just how unworthy they are of the public voice they tried to claim as flag officer retirees.

Paula G. Thornhill, D.Phil., is a retired U.S. Air Force brigadier general; acting director of Strategic Studies, Johns Hopkins University (SAIS); and author of Demystifying the American Military.

I looked at so called letter and second sentence wasn't one....ya, right flag officers support it....Baloney.

Trump didn't have guts to do what he said he'd do, just like the wall he said the Mexicans would pay for....he's a liar.
Thank God Biden got us out.

JMHO, any Americans still in AFGHAN own the fact they are still there. They had a date, they should have known the country, history "Vietnam" showed how ugly leaving would be...sorry, help if we can, but on them.

BLISS: Watching GOPers eat their own.

we have entered the twilight zone.

Bruh- it's been so weird to watch this.
And I can't believe how fast it's happened.

It only took ~5 years for all the 'Normals' to go hiding under the rocks that were vacated by what we see now.

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Ann Coulter nutkicks mainstream GOP politics.
Shaking my gat-tam head.

Wasn't long ago that Ann Coulter was considered one of the craziest... She's still extreme and nuts but she's far from the craziest.

I always found her to be entertaining af. One of the OG trolls.

Until you think about what her contribution helped to create. Used to laugh too. And I just shared her posts because I found it all so ironic.

Or, maybe they just quit posting?

I had no trouble finding the list of names.


https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/fb7c7bd...?ver=1630334080






The Federalist
The Federalist



Military

Almost 90 Retired Flag Officers Demand Mark Milley, Lloyd Austin Resign After Afghanistan Debacle

August 30, 2021

By Jordan Davidson

Nearly 90 retired U.S. generals and admirals penned an open letter asking Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley to resign from their positions following their “negligence in performing their duties primarily involving events surrounding the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.”

“As principal military advisors to the CINC [Commander-in-Chief]/President, the SECDEF and CJCS should have recommended against this dangerous withdrawal in the strongest possible terms,” the letter states. “If they did not do everything within their authority to stop the hasty withdrawal, they should resign. Conversely, if they did do everything within their ability to persuade the CINC/President to not hastily exit the country without ensuring the safety of our citizens and Afghans loyal to America, then they should have resigned in protest as a matter of conscience and public statement.”

This “hasty retreat,” the letter continues, not only left thousands of vulnerable Americans and Afghan allies stranded at the hands of the Taliban but also contributed to the “catastrophic” loss of “billions of dollars in advanced military equipment and supplies falling into the hands of our enemies.”

“The consequences of this disaster are enormous and will reverberate for decades beginning with the safety of Americans and Afghans who are unable to move safely to evacuation points; therefore, being de facto hostages of the Taliban at this time. The death and torture of Afghans has already begun and will result in a human tragedy of major proportions,” the letter says. “The damage to the reputation of the United States is indescribable. We are now seen, and will be seen for many years, as an unreliable partner in any multinational agreement or operation. Trust in the United States is irreparably damaged.”

This damaged trust, the retired generals and admirals argue, gives confidence to U.S. enemies who “are emboldened to move against America due to the weakness displayed in Afghanistan.”

“China benefits the most followed by Russia, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea and others. Terrorists around the world are emboldened and able to pass freely into our country through our open border with Mexico,” the letter states.

The letter also points out how military leadership’s focus on “wokeness” is hurting the viability of U.S. troops and the military as an institution.

“In interviews, congressional testimony, and public statements it has become clear that top leaders in our military are placing mandatory emphasis on PC ‘wokeness’ related training which is extremely divisive and harmful to unit cohesion, readiness, and war fighting capability,” the letter says. “Our military exists to fight and win our Nation’s wars and that must be the sole focus of our top military leaders.”

“For these reasons we call on the SECDEF Austin and the CJCS General Milley to resign,” it concludes. “A fundamental principle in the military is holding those in charge responsible and accountable for their actions or inactions. There must be accountability at all levels for this tragic and avoidable debacle.”
“Simply stated, the letter is all about accountability. One of the things that makes our great military unique as an institution is the fundamental principle of holding each other accountable for our actions, or inactions. Regarding the tragic and avoidable situation in Afghanistan, accountability begins at the top of the chain,” Retired Maj. Gen. Joe Arbuckle told The Federalist in a statement.

Over the last week, multiple GOP lawmakers called on President Joe Biden to resign for “dereliction of duty that has left Americans dead at the hands of terrorists.”


https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/30/alm...nistan-debacle/

It took me a minute to figure out what your were saying. I think you were referencing posters at Dawgtalkers. Correct?


I was referring to Republican politicos in general since the Trump candidacy. Seems like the 'Normals' of the party wither went into hiding or retired, leaving us with the likes of Louie Gohmert, Marjory Taylor-Green, Matt Gaetz, Kevin McCarthy... people who used to be the fringe of the party. Now, they are the face of mainstream Republicanism, at least in terms of face time in the news.

I really think we were talking about two different things.


EDIT: Swish responded to OCD's Ann Coulter memes. I responded to Swish. Then it was OCD/Clem/OCD... all based on the same subject: Ann Coulter v. GOP.

That was the context of our conversation.

The fringe of either party always makes the news because they are the most dramatic. They are the click bait in a system geared towards ratings and a money shot.

They don't really represent the majority of either side.

I think most people realize this.

Can you imagine any person living their day to day life believing in click bait? They must feel deranged.

I do think the goal posts have shifted. On one hand, you see personalities like MTG, Gaetz, McCarthy, Jordan and others on one side who are so obviously scummy. I’ve never seen that level of abhorrence in Congress. Perhaps it was there and I didn’t notice it, but I can’t think to any prior era in my lifetime that matched their levels. They’re also elected officials, so I believe they are reflective symptoms, not causes.

On the other hand, in the early two thousands, you had Ralph Nader and maybe one or two other staunch progressives, IIRC. Now, it is becoming much more prevalent on the left.

I think the fringes have definitely moved front and center. Bolstered by the constant in-your-face of entertainment networks that masquerade as news providers.

Abrasive politics and extreme rhetoric is the new brand of politics. See: Boebert, MTG, Cawthorn, Biggs, Gaetz, Gohmert... A bunch of dummies but can rally their base. They offer zero substance and appeal to the lowest common denominator. Fundraising is the obvious goal. How many have introduced notable legislation?

Higher up include: Hawley and Cruz. Both extremely well educated and play their base like a fiddle. They mock their base behind closed doors. Laugh all the way to the bank.

It's not by accident America is a target of scam calls.

Takes a lot of brass to call the above folks dummies when you have these people are on your squad:

Hank Johnson, Sheila Jackson Lee, Frederica Wilson, Rep. Maxine Waters, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib. Eric Swalwell, grifters Bernie Sanders, Biden/Harris.

Boebert, MTG, Cawthorn, Biggs, Gaetz, and Gohmert all believe Trump... WAY DUMBER.

or it has to do with the fact that the people in the middle can't compromise on anything, thus both fringes being fed up with stagnation and little direction.

there's always talk talk talk with people trying to compromise, and very little action.

if you want the fringes to stay fringe, probably should start with people who can't make a decision.

We also have to consider technology and culture. Technology alone has caught many people in acts they would have easily gotten away with in the past, added to the culture of recording everything. Whoever comes up with an inexpensive, personal-use, easy-to-use, inconspicuous bodycam will make millions.

If this happens, people are going to fear saying anything to anyone given the A/V editing technology we now have. Personal conversations will probably be reduced to vanilla pc statements. Out of context and heavily edited video snippets will permeate social media.

lol, with a high-res pic/video and a few sound clips a very convincing deep fake can be made of anybody saying and doing anything the video creator wants. I think that tech will be used in politics before 2024, if it hasn't already.

I blame the middle, too. I think it was more of a happiness with the status quo and taking things for granted. It wasn't about wanting the fringe to stay fringe. It was about thinking that the fringe would never amount to anything and expecting them to stay in the periphery.