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I'm pro-choice and lol'd when he posted that. Sometimes people will say the dumbest s*** just to win an online argument.

"'Murica!"

So you propose those that can't afford birth control, the poorest of the poor, should not have the opportunity to prevent a pregnancy? Which pretty much assures us that they will be receiving tax payer benefits for at least 18 years.

But anyone who can pay for birth control, those better off than the poorest of the poor, should have that choice?

Now just remember, the party you must support in order to promote abortions be illegal, fight tooth and nail against every program to support the poor. So once they're born poor the odds are they're going to stay poor.

The way my math works I would rather give the poor free birth control than pay benefits to their children for 18 years.

What part of really cheap and affordable is hard to understand? If they can't afford 2 bucks a month for Birth control, I doubt they are buying and using soap, shampoo, or tooth paste, so nobody is going to want to touch them to begin with.

So untrue. Here's one for you... your party are accessories to murders. See...saying ridiculous things is not reserved for one side or the other.

The discussion on this thread is how Texas' abortion law is an attempt to end Roe v Wade. The SCOTUS did not invoke Roe v Wade because that is NOT what they were deliberating...they were deliberating something that is a states' rights issue and SCOTUS has no jurisdiction over such.

BTW: Trump did more for poor people than any President I can remember..."doing more for people" does not = giving out free stuff all the time. Helping them become self-sufficient is Liberty.

Yeah, you're another part of the pro birth crowd claiming to be pro life. Once they're born you no longer give a damn.

I'll stand by the fact you'd rather risk paying childcare benefits for 18 years than give up on the two bucks a month. Really? Over two frickin' dollars?

They're halfway to their goal of keeping women barefoot and pregnant. I heard a rumor that their governor is considering creating the Texas Taliban. He plans to use them to set up check points to turn back pregnant women from leaving the state.

Well if there are any Texas women that want to visit Oregon….

To all of my friends in Texas (even those I’ve yet to meet) who may find themselves pregnant: I just want you to know that I would love for you to come for a visit. It's been so long since we've spent time together, and it would be my privilege to host you, help to schedule any totally random appointments you might need while you're here, and escort you to those appointments.

After any (again, TOTALLY RANDOM) appointments, we will gorge ourselves on whatever delicious things you crave and talk. I’ll provide a space for you to sit quietly, laugh, cry, hug, or anything else you need to feel safe, loved, nurtured and cared for.

(A cut and paste from FB)

I would disagree with your oranges to lugnuts statement because each state has it's own gun laws. But to help you understand, substitute gun laws in my example for some state law that you support and are in favor of.

What they are doing is an end around the current laws of the land. It is underhanded and should not be tolerated.

You need to stop being so concrete in your thoughts and learn to think conceptually.

Gun rights are part of the US Constitution...abortion rights are not. When an issue is before the SCOTUS, it's never about what you, me or anyone else wants....it's about our Constitution.

The only concrete in my thoughts is that we have (3) independent branches of government that made this the greatest country on Earth.

So since it's already "the greatest country on Earth" there was no reason or truth that we needed to Make America Great Again?

I've not expressed my opinion on here whether abortion is good/fair/not-my-business. IMO,it is - and always has been - a state's rights issue.

I do find it interesting that the ideology that is in favor of killing a fetus somehow takes the high ground on being the "helper/custodian-of" that fetus when it escapes the womb intact and alive.

Man, when you start sliding down that slope you really like to stomp your feet.

Do you want to talk about what's good/great FOR our country or continue personal attacks as deflection from the reality of the abortion-as-states'-rights issue?

Yet it was the SCOTUS that ruled on both Roe vs Wade and this latest Texas abortion issue. What it seems you are saying is that the SCOTUS has no business making such rulings in the first place. Is that correct?

How was asking that question a personal attack? You said that we are the greatest country on earth. So I asked the question. I notice the one thing you didn't do was answer it.

And I will give you some credit. At least you know the difference between a fetus and a baby even though your posts don't seem to reflect that reality.

You know, for an entire gender of people who have no vagina, they certainly seem intent on controlling the vaginas of the gender that has them.

QFT … I’d be willing to bet that the intellectually dishonest crew crapped on it and is now ignoring it cause that’s how they roll …

The president of the intellectually dishonest crew has a sig that says something like “no one cares about your feelings” but he refuses to acknowledge that FACTS DON’T HAVE FEELINGS and what i said is 100% a FACT … must be nice to go through life with no conscience … THANKS Y’All …

And we know only your opinion matters. The vigilante law Texas passed has nothing to do with the state of Texas having an impact on abortion. Instead it allows the Christian right to persecute women trying to get an abortion under the protection Row vs Wade. It is a direct attack of Roe vs Wade.

But then some people believe that Christians should have the ability to inflict their religious beliefs on everyone. So much for separation of church and state.

I don't claim to know whether abortion should or shouldn't be legal. What I do know is that at this point and time, in our country, it is legal. And this texas law is a dirty unhanded way of circumventing the law.

Now you may be in favor of this law because you are against abortion. But if we allow them to get away with it this time, the next time they may screw with something you don't want screwed with and you will have no recourse.

The majority of this country is against open borders and sanctuary cities...and you're right, we have no recourse for this clown administration destroying our country.

As difficult as a subject that this is, I can't fathom it as a states rights issue. That is asking for chaos.

So you value money over life.

That is what it boils down to no matter how you choose to spin it. You have boiled a human life down to $2.

It's not over 2 dollars man. It's over the fact that people just don't appreciate things given to them for free, but they appreciate things more when they pay for them. People may be poor but they still deserve some self respect and dignity.

Do you think Section 8 housing should be free as well? Hey live here rent free for the rest of your life. No need to pay a portion of your income.

I just heard a great new name for texas. Howdy-Arabia.
They love their oil and hate their women.

Birth control happens before any human life is involved. There is no "human life" BEFORE a pregnancy begins.

We were talking about "birth control". Do you even pay attention?

If you are advocating people pay or don't pay for birth control according to their income, then we can agree that makes sense. You do realize that's exactly how section eight housing works, right?

You see, I don't really care how much they "appreciate it" in terms of birth control. Here's what you're advocating in math terms.....

Two dollars a month for 18 years is 432 dollars. If say a sixteen year old girl gets pregnant and doesn't finish high school, she will most likely be on government assistance. Food assistance, housing assistance, the child will receive medicaid. You will pay more per month for that child's care than you would have paid to help her prevent that pregnancy. Now multiply that over many years.

I'm speaking from the practicality standpoint. If a girl lives in poverty your suggestion is that we risk spending tens of thousands of dollars to help raise a child over many years rather than help prevent that situation in the first place.

And you act as if that would mean they have no choice. Nobody "demands" you get free birth control. If they care so much about their dignity and self respect, they have the choice to go to a doctor or get their birth control in a manner they can pay for it.

A couple of my thoughts on this...

In general I am against abortions... I've always felt that life starts when blood starts flowing through the body, which would be about 6 weeks... so that part of the law I support...

the part where it incentives a third party (neighbors) to turn in others is ridiculous...

I also feel that should have an exception for rape/incest...

Someone asked earlier if birth control and the morning after pill should be free? Absolutely... the best way (IMO) to combat abortions in this country is to do a better job of offering free birth control and education... I get those who say 'abstinence is the best form of birth control'... but come on...let's be real... young people in this country should have access to free birth control and education on the importance of using it not only to prevent an unwanted pregnancy but also STDs....

We also need to significantly improve the adoption process... there are thousands of families who want to have kids and can't but the adoption process is so frigging difficult to navigate through that i's prohibitive for many of these families to adopt....

So while I support abortion legalization, this specific law took it too far and we have done a poor job of supporting adoption and birth control/education which could make a bigger impact...

If you look back at what I said



I said cheap and affordable. Base it on income but don't make it free. Section 8 charges 30 to 40 percent of income for rent, so charging $2 bucks to somebody who only makes 1,000 a month is way less than 1 percent.

What does a 16 year old high school student make a month?

Depends on if she works or not. She would also be living with somebody who is paying for her housing, and food. It can be based on household income. Hell if she lives at home and her parents make 100,000 per year why should she get free birth control?

Because in many cases these kids don't even want their parents to know. But that's not going to stop a pregnancy now is it?

I wonder how anti-abortionists feel about the mechanics of this law. Essentially turning any willing and eager private citizen into a bounty hunter of sorts.

Pure fascist move. Brown shirts patrol.

I have no problem with being able to sue the provider, and DR. However it is asinine that they can sue anybody who drives her, or gives her money.

Bro, this is government sanctioned vigilantism. In what world could this possibly be a good idea? Basically, republicans just created another divide between citizens by introducing a brown shirt style group of anti abortionists to turn in females suspected of seeking or getting an abortion. This is sick. Disgusting. Un-American. And unconstitutional.

I hope Greg Abbott goes out like Kadafi with a stick. Nobody I know deserves that more.

I also hve a problem that anyone can sue. Either if us could sue someone in texas. In what world does that make sense?

Where is all the outrage manifested by the people against, what was it called, where they wanted to have people report people who owned guns but had mental health issues?

I always wonder why conservatives want women to just be baby factories.

The war machine needs cannon fodder. The poor tend to enlist at higher rates than middle and upper class kids. Desperation to get out of poverty often times is weighed against being potentially shot at. Gangs and the military are living proof.
There’s nothing a conservative likes more than war.

How many millions of babies are we still murdering a year?

Careful folks…