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The way it is shaping up we would be crazy to trade Anderson.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush.
As long as Anderson continues his fine play, I don't care if Brady is a back-up for the duration of his contract, or he is the guy who gets traded.
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The way it is shaping up we would be crazy to trade Anderson.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush.
As long as Anderson continues his fine play, I don't care if Brady is a back-up for the duration of his contract, or he is the guy who gets traded.
But what if someone poison pills us?
THAT's what I'm most worried about.
We're not gonna fully guarantee a $60 million contract.
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if someone does that then we're getting some VERY nice compensation in the form of Multiple 1st Day Draft Picks.... that's some poison I can handle taking.
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I read a good article on the matter last week and meant to post it, but didn't, now I can't find it....
At any rate, it pretty much said we can expect that...and it made sense....
If a team is looking for a qb....selecting a guy like Anderson is far better than selecting a college qb.
Basically, it said it was like only giving a 3rd rounder for a proven player....not a bad deal when you get right down to the matter.
And depending on which team is looking, it could even be low picks.
I just hope we sign the guy....I would rather stick with the known rather than go with the unknown.
Nothing against Quinn...I think he will be a good QB......but the key word is "think".
It would be a darn shame to go with Quinn and then have him not meet what DA brings.
It is going to be a tough call no matter which way it goes.
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Peyton Manning went 16/29 for 225 yards with a TD and an INT against New England. The Colts put up 20 points ... and lost. Guess he sucks too? Great defenses are great because they can shut down even great QBs. They really throttle "good" QBs. They destroy bad QBs. If your criteria for judging Anderson is that he has to put up numbers against the best defenses in the league as he does against the lesser lights ..... well then you've already made up your mind and are trying hard to justify it .... no matter how ridiculous your justification is. I'm gonna enjoy watching Anderson and the Browns throw 28 per game on opposing teams, and win games. You can sulk, berate, and wonder why people think you're nuts. 
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Yeah, let's go comparing Derek Anderson's struggles against New England to Peyton Manning's "struggles" this week. That was Manning's worst regular season game versus New England in the last 5 years, the first time in 5 years he's been below 90 versus them, and he still posted a rating 25 points higher than Anderson did. He plays New England, and other great teams, well enough to win. (I'm responding in this fashion because comparing Manning to Anderson is ridiculous, so please let it die right here.)
I'd run more stats to show you what I'm talking about when I want Anderson to perform better versus good teams, but they'd fall on deaf ears so to speak. Just look at defensive rank in relation to his performance with an open mind and you'll see what I'm saying.
It's not nearly as much a criticism of Anderson as it is just wanting to see more. Again... there's a good chance we'll have to decide on our QB of the future sooner than we'd like and I don't feel confident making that decision towards Anderson without seeing better performance against top defenses.
We've played 5 defenses in the Top 10 league-wide in QB rating allowed. Against those teams, Anderson has put up ratings of (in order) 57.0, 59.0, 65.2, 75.3 and 109.5. Do you really feel confident in that moving ahead when, next year, we won't be facing one of the easiest schedules in the NFL? I don't. There's nothing wrong with wanting to see more, regardless of what you think. Again, it's not a knock on what Anderson has done so far, it's just me wanting more reassurance that he has what it takes than the rest of you do.
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Peyton Manning went 16/29 for 225 yards with a TD and an INT against New England. The Colts put up 20 points ... and lost.
Guess he sucks too?
I don't believe Spec ever said anythink about Anderson sucking. And having the guts to compare Peyton to Anderson is ludicrous, you are smarter than that(I hope). 
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I'm gonna enjoy watching Anderson and the Browns throw 28 per game on opposing teams, and win games. You can sulk, berate, and wonder why people think you're nuts.
So from the sound of that statement you are willing to guarantee that this will continue? I did'nt think so! 
Spec and many others have a right to question if Anderson is the real deal or a flash in the pan.
So keep piling on but remember if he is right and you are wrong, I will back him when he piles on you!
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Hate to tell you Spec, few if any care what you want to see..  You can sit on the bus all you want, but I wouldn't leave the engine running.  I give when it comes to you, your what I refer to as a twister. The idea that a 1st year starting QB can play at the level that DA clearly has, doesn't have any effect on you, and alls you can find to do is be critical, and give the guy backhanded compliments. Sorry but that don't smack at a smart, well informed, reasonable response, in this posters HO. I expect DA, to have struggles, and I expect him to make a mistake from time to time. Especially when we play the better teams. IMHO any other thought is and will always be unresonable, and unrealistic. I will say this though you appear to honestly believe what you are saying, but I think your missing the mark by a long shot, when you consider everything. I can't help but wonder though, are you Brady? or are you related to Brady? or do you just have a man crush on Brady? I would respect you much more if you would just come out of the closet and admit that no matter how well DA does, you think BQ is the better option, and tell us all why? Your trying to make DA look bad isn't working, after all we all watch the games too, and hey most of us think your quite a bit off your rocker..  JMHO
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I don't feel confident making that decision towards Anderson without seeing better performance against top defenses.
Don't worry, I think they have somebody else in mind to make that decision.
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But what if someone poison pills us?
WOW,, that's a first,,, a few days ago there wasn't anyone on this site that thought that if we High Tendered DA that anyone would give up a 1st and 3rd for him... now we are talkin about getting poison pilled and and having to match a 60 million guaranteed contract...LOL
Ammo,, you worry to much.. like PPE said, if it comes to that, we are gettting some very very nice compensation in the way of draft picks and we do happen to have what appears to be a pretty decent QB in Quinn.. so all is not lost.
We really are in the catbird seat for a change... we really are.
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I did.
Who wouldn't give up a 3rd round pick for the guy.......the 1st is the same as drafting a player.
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I raelize this is a bit off topic, but I thought the NFL banned the type of contracts that was given to Hutchinson when he jumped ship from Seattle, to Minni. I think Minni put a clause in the contract that said that if SH played in more then 2 games in Seattle his contract would jump by like 10 Million or soemthing, and it basicly was the poison pill contract they banned. Am I wrong here.
How can DA being offered a 60 Million contract be a posion pill to the Browns ?? Because we would have to match. It's likely that should we decisde to keep DA, will have to cough up some serious cash anyway, if not we take the Picks. How can that be poison ?? I don't get this talk of poison. Honestly we likely could get DA signed now to a better then open market value contract, and do whatever we like. After all the money that DA could get now would be worth more to him now then in a year from now since he would get a large increase now vs later, or after next season. I think it would be wise for the Browns to get him under contract before the close of this season. Then if we want to trade him for picks or players or whatever we would have all the cards in our hand. You have to remember though this is a business, and are the Browns going to bank on DA or are they going to bank on Quinn. Me I get DA under contract and I keep them both moving forward. Doesn't make me right, but it is a pretty safe bet will be OK in the QB department if we do!
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I did.
Who wouldn't give up a 3rd round pick for the guy.......the 1st is the same as drafting a player.
Ahh, you know what I meant,, how many times in the last month or so did you hear that NOBODY would give up a 1st and 3rd if we high tendered him,,.,,,
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don't get this talk of poison.
Yeah, I don't either, go ask ammo about it.. he brought it up.
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and we do happen to have what appears to be a pretty decent QB in Quinn.. so all is not lost.
We really are in the catbird seat for a change... we really are.
Lets put on the brakes there.. We don't know this yet..
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don't get this talk of poison.
Yeah, I don't either, go ask ammo about it.. he brought it up.
I mentioned it earlier in the thread so I'll explain it through the example of what happened with Steve Hutchinson.
Minnesota signed Hutchinson to a 7 year, $49m deal with something like $15-$20m guaranteed. The key clause in the contract and the "poison pill" was that the contract stipulated Hutchinson had to be the highest paid player on the offensive line. Otherwise, the entire contract had to be guaranteed. Since the Seahawks had Walter Jones already under a huge contract that he signed a year or two prior, there was no way Hutchinson would end up being paid more than Jones under the contract that the Seahawks had to either match or leave. The Vikings designed the contract, then included a clause that made it virtually impossible for the Seahawks to match, since it's preposterous to guarantee $50m of a deal. That's a poison pill.
If someone, like the Vikings for example, wants DA enough, they just have to get creative with the contract and they can effectively eliminate us from matching it. If DA is worth a 1st and 3rd to teams (which I don't know that he is but for the sake of argument), we might not even have a choice over who our quarterback is next year.
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Again I thought the NFL made a rule change which basicly ended these types of contracts. I also thought that the SH contract was more in line with if he played more then 2 games in the state of washington the 1st year of the contract. In any case I thought these types of contracts are no longer allowed under new guidelines established after the SH contract?
In anycase I would still make DA a reasonable contract offer provided he continues to play like he has, and continues to improve. We have plenty of cap space this season that we could use up signing him now rather then after the season is over. We could even eat up most if not all of any contract bonus money and put it under this seasons cap space, and actually save cap space later. It all depends on quite a few things but, the main reason I would want to re-up DA before the close of the season is the cap. We got the cap space why not us it now and actually free up space later when we may need it!!
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Found this article, and indeed it appears as though the NFL has yet to change the poison pill problem. Had the SH thing a bit backwards as well, but I knew I saw something about number of games in a contract poison pill. Anyway here it is!!!
What is a NFL "poison pill"?
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A "poison pill" is stipulation in an offer sheet that makes it nearly impossibly for the other team to match. For example, Seattle Seahawks offensive guard, Steve Hutchinson, was a restricted free agent this year, which means any team can make him an offer, but the Seahawks have the right to match it.
The Vikings offered Hutchinson a contract with a stipulation that Hutchinson would be the highest paid offensive lineman on the team. If the Seahawks want to keep Hutchinson, they must match that offer. The Vikings knew the Seahawks already had a high paid offensive lineman in Walter Jones; thus, it was prohibitive for them to resign him. Of course, Jones makes more money because he's a tackle, and most teams don't spend that much money on a guard. Either way, Hutchinson ended up with a seven-year $49 million dollar contract.
The Vikings had a restricted free agent in Nate Burleson which the Seahawks just made an offer with yet another "poison pill". This time, the "poison pill" is a stipulation that if Burleson plays more than five games in the state of Minnesota next season, he will be owed the entire sum of his contract. Is it ironic Burleson's contract was a seven-year $49 million dollar contract? I think not. If the Vikings don't match the offer, they will receive Seattle's third-round draft pick since Burleson was a restricted free agent.
The Seahawks got burned on the Hutchinson deal, and Vikings got really burned on the Burleson deal because of these "poison pills". I'm pretty sure these two events will cause the NFL to create some new rules prohibiting these type of stipulation
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I've spent the last 20 mins or so researching Poison pill contracts as well.. I have yet to find that there has been any definitive action taken regarding these contracts.. http://swarheit.blogspot.com/2007/03/poison-pills-and-nfl-free-agency-issue.htmlThat one is kind of interesting.. more of a blog than anything but he does lay out the background info pretty well
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The Burleson deal there is an even better example of how easy it is to put a poison pill in a contract. Games played in the state of Minnesota? Comparing his salary to the Vikings running backs? I mean... come on. The one thing that's stopping these from being tossed all over the place is that teams get harshly criticized for doing them... but if a team like Minnesota has done it in the past, I don't think they'd be averse to doing it again, especially with how much they need a QB. I don't think they've been addressed by the NFL either (or at least I've missed it if they have been).
Again, not that DA is worth all the hassle necessarily, but if he is, I wouldn't be surprised to see something of this nature.
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the nfl doesnt want teams to use the poison pill but there is nothing saying they cant.
Now as for Manning's game vs DA's game against the Pats umm Peyton has played that defense every year since like 2001. DA had his first experience against the pats, slight difference there. They confuse the hell out of experienced qbs, hopefully he will get another shot at them this year.
I like DA but if we can get a top 5 pick out of him, umm I dont like him that much and I believe he has a legit shot at the Pro Bowl this year. What i expect is a trade before the RFA period begins. Now we just need someone to offer us one of those super deals like with Hershel Walker and Ricky Williams. I wont be surprised if we get a first and a 2nd possibly more simply because there just arent that many good qbs in the NFL.
I am not so much worried about Quinn but the effect on the rest of the team. They believe in DA right now.
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You raise a great point Mour !! It does appear that we have built up some pretty good team play on the O side of the ball!! That said what would a deal for DA do to that chemistry. If I were to guess not much the players pretty much to the man understand that this is a business, and that none of their positions are set in stone, including DA's. If the Browns decide that trading DA, or keeping DA is best for the team I don't have a problem either way. Of course you should consider all the possiblities, and ultimately whatever avenue is taken, I will support it. I realize that this is likely to be the single biggest decision ever taken up by PS and RAC, I sure hope like hell that whatever they do, it's the right move for the Browns. Only time will tell, we can't afford a mistake of any kind here. Thats why I would lean towards keeping DA, at least for the next year, and lets see what Quinn can do, to at least get a clue as to his actual potential against 1st team competition..
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I've spent the last 20 mins or so researching Poison pill contracts as well.. I have yet to find that there has been any definitive action taken regarding these contracts..
http://swarheit.blogspot.com/2007/03/poison-pills-and-nfl-free-agency-issue.html
That one is kind of interesting.. more of a blog than anything but he does lay out the background info pretty well
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I like DA but if we can get a top 5 pick out of him, umm I dont like him that much
I'm starting to think the same thing about Brady Quinn  but we need more evidence before any final decision is made.
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the nfl doesnt want teams to use the poison pill but there is nothing saying they cant.
Exactly. The NFL can't restrict the free trade and services of a player or tell teams what they can' and can't offer players other than those restrictions inside the parameters of the CBA.
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Thought the DA nay sayers may like this from this weeks Fox power rankings read it a weep DA dislikers..  So, the Lions are 6-2 and the Browns are 5-3. Who would have ever thought? It's been that kind of year in the NFL. Cleveland, the AFC's biggest surprise halfway through the season, got its fifth win with a gutty overtime conquest over the Seahawks. Cleveland came back from a 21-6 first-half deficit to complete its first three-game winning streak since 2001. The win over Seattle was Cleveland's most impressive of the season, as up until Sunday, the Browns had beaten teams with a combined 6-24 record. Derek Anderson's a sure-fire Pro Bowl player this season, and he didn't let up vs. the Seahawks. The third-year pro tossed for 364 yards in the win. Jamal Lewis ran for a career-high four touchdowns as well. Call them a fluke all you want — nine weeks into the season, the Browns are right in the thick of the AFC playoff picture.
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Again I thought the NFL made a rule change which basicly ended these types of contracts.
You're incorrect.
They are LOOKING at it, but the loopholes are numerous.
Notice how people aren't getting snooty with you. Take the hint
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Derek Anderson's a sure-fire Pro Bowl player this season, and he didn't let up vs. the Seahawks. The third-year pro tossed for 364 yards in the win. Jamal Lewis ran for a career-high four touchdowns as well.
Don't put too much stock into what writers say, for good or ill. They don't know as much as many on this board, and talk out of their behinds as much as anyone does.
I'm ecstatic when it comes to what Anderson has done, and he's proving me wrong, as I trashed the guy for years. Having said that, is Anderson playing better than Brady? Manning? Rottenberger?
No, he's not going to be named to the pro-bowl. Some writers really shouldn't create articles without looking at the facts *L* Now Anderson may get in when Brady, Manning, and 'Berger suddenly get a hang-nail after the playoffs are over, forcing the NFL to name guys like Rivers and Anderson and Palmer to the game in Hawaii, but......
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I've been reading all these threads for awhile and it's gonna be awfully hard to get rid of a potential Pro Bowler, but it may be for the best.
We all see the potential in Quinn and he looked in the pre-season. We all know that we need help on the defensive side of the ball. If we can possibly get a 1st and 3rd rounder out of DA then I'd say we have to do it. Yes it will be really hard to see a successful QB leave the city, but I think a lot of teams may give us what we are looking for.... Vikings, Chiefs, Falcons (though they will likely draft), maybe even Baltimore. Either of those teams would land us a top 15 pick in this draft.
I would hate to see us get wrapped up in a contract with DA and something and his success take a turn for the worst or lose him to free agency next year without getting anything in return.
We all had faith in Brady after the ship had sailed on Frye... let's put that faith back into him next year and get the most out of the DA situation. Yes it's frightening to think about the disastrous outcome this may have, but if Quinn is who we think he is, then the draft picks may turn this whole team around by giving a few more tools on defense.
Also, if Lewis is able to go next year.... I say we have to pick defense with our first 4 picks (if we get the 1st and 3rd for DA). There will be a lot of Running Backs to choose from in the next few years of the draft... one being Chris Wells who I'd love to see in Cleveland. If someone like Felix Jones, Mike Hart, or Ray Rice is available in the 3rd then maybe.
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I love how when Charlie Frye was playing bad it was all of the lines fault and how our receivers could not catch the ball.
Now our line isn't letting our QB get sacked 20 times a game and our recievers our making big plays for our QB
BUT still you are giving DA way more credit than i think he deserves...I love how our team is playing but think he is expendable...I think with BQ has the bigger upside...and Derek Anderson is like Culpepper was...puts up big numbers because of his rocket arm and having guys like Randy Moss to go get it.
Edwards is making phenomenal plays and Winslow and JJ our making catches no one would believe...DA is not that accurate...he is benifiting from having some of the best playmakers in the league right now making plays for him.
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I don't believe Spec ever said anythink about Anderson sucking. And having the guts to compare Peyton to Anderson is ludicrous, you are smarter than that(I hope).
The only thing I am using Manning for is to show that even a great, established, Super Bowl winning QB like Manning can't measure up to Spectre's expectations for Anderson to be considered "ok". 
What was, and is ludicrous is to expect Anderson to have to put up numbers that NOT ONE OTHER QB puts up against premiere defenses. That's not only ludicrous, it's ridiculous.
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What was, and is ludicrous is to expect Anderson to have to put up numbers that NOT ONE OTHER QB puts up against premiere defenses. That's not only ludicrous, it's ridiculous.
I agree YTBF, even if I am not a popular person around here.
For years most of the same people used every EXCUSE in the book to support QBs who pretty much sucked, yet now that we finally have a qb playing pretty solid ball, all of a sudden the guy can't do this or can't do that.
I can't help but conclude they don't know what they are talking about.
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C'mon, just because a guy still has some trepidation as far as DA is concerned doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talkin' about. Considering your opinion on RAC and it's effect on most people you of all people should know that.
DA is putting most doubts to rest. But I hope most of you don't mind if I wait to put him on my HOF ballot. At least until he's played a full season. Seem fair?
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Having said that, is Anderson playing better than Brady? Manning? Rottenberger?
I'll give you Manning and Brady, but Rottentoothlessburger, has beat the same teams that Anderson has practically. And you and Spectre are the guys always using terms like "porous defenses" to judge Anderson's acheivements. Ben has played noone and he doesn't deserve to be mentioned with the likes of Manning and Brady anymore than Anderson does, using your standards.
I know that's kind of off topic, but I'm sick of people praising Ben and chastizing DA, when their competition has been almost identical.
Carry on
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BUT still you are giving DA way more credit than i think he deserves...I love how our team is playing but think he is expendable...I think with BQ has the bigger upside...and Derek Anderson is like Culpepper was...puts up big numbers because of his rocket arm and having guys like Randy Moss to go get it.
We finally get a qb that's winning consistently...the likes of which we haven't seen since Bernie...and some of you people would rather keep the unproven rookie who hasn't taken an NFL snap.
Did you see long drives in Sunday's game? Braylon and KW both dropped passes put in their breadbasket, but DA didn't get rattled and continued to put the ball where it needed to go. He brought us back from a 15 point defecit to win the game....despite a pourous defense. Nobody's giving him HOF status, but he's getting the job done.
Just what facts are you basing the "BQ has a bigger upside" on? I'll settle for one.
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For years most of the same people used every EXCUSE in the book to support QBs who pretty much sucked, yet now that we finally have a qb playing pretty solid ball, all of a sudden the guy can't do this or can't do that.
I can't help but conclude they don't know what they are talking about.
Not one "guru" on here could have seen this DA train coming. Even overtoad seems humbled
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...Considering your opinion on RAC and it's effect on most people you of all people should know that.
I don't know ballpeen, but I bet he's quiet about RAC because we're winning ball games. Results count.
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DA is putting most doubts to rest. But I hope most of you don't mind if I wait to put him on my HOF ballot. At least until he's played a full season. Seem fair?
No one's saying put him in the HOF, most know DA has a lot more to prove.
But ummm... he's looking pretty good still, and we're halfway through the season now folks.
It's not very complicated.
Right now, if someone held a gun to my head and said "trade DA or BQ, one or the other"...
... it'd be "see ya, Brady'.
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The Burleson deal there is an even better example of how easy it is to put a poison pill in a contract. Games played in the state of Minnesota? Comparing his salary to the Vikings running backs? I mean... come on. The one thing that's stopping these from being tossed all over the place is that teams get harshly criticized for doing them... but if a team like Minnesota has done it in the past, I don't think they'd be averse to doing it again, especially with how much they need a QB. I don't think they've been addressed by the NFL either (or at least I've missed it if they have been).
Again, not that DA is worth all the hassle necessarily, but if he is, I wouldn't be surprised to see something of this nature.
You know Spec I could see the Browns tendering DA, and letting someone make him an offer, and if somebody wants to pay the price a 1st and 3rd, using the posion pill won't have an actual effect. Hell if the intent is to trade DA, and it could be, then a 1st and a third wouldn't be all that bad, I wouldn't think anyway.
My bet is if the Browns do nothing with DA before the end of the season then it will actually speak as to their real intentions. What I mean is this. The browns have like close to 25 million in cap space this season, that cap space will not roll over to next year, and you can actually us the money now, if you redo DA's contract before the end of the season. You cannot use more then 90% of your totalk cap space but that would still leave the Browns with a lot of space, and they could actually give DA instead of a signing bonus actual contract money now that would save the team a sizable amount of money towards the cap in later years. Say we could instead of the guaranteed part give that to him now and save the money under the cap later. To me if we are going to resign DA it has got to be before the end of the season from a business and whats best for the team point of view. It is truly going to be interesting and I think if the Browns decide to resign DA before the final whistle blows would be the best time to do it. In fact I believe it would actually increase his trade value if we decided to trade DA, becuase we would have taken a large portion of his contract under our cap space and it would actually lesson the hit to his new teams cap. Just something to think about!!!
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Not one "guru" on here could have seen this DA train coming. Even overtoad seems humbled
Keep it to yourself! 
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I don't know ballpeen, but I bet he's quiet about RAC because we're winning ball games. Results count.
Like I said on a thread somewhere......if a good coach can ride the whirlpool down the drain with a team that carries him there, a less than good coach can take the ride up with his team and assistants if they carry him there.
Just part of the deal.
As long as we win some games and look and play like a good team, I don't have a problem with RAC standing on the sidelines.
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For years most of the same people used every EXCUSE in the book to support QBs who pretty much sucked, yet now that we finally have a qb playing pretty solid ball, all of a sudden the guy can't do this or can't do that.
Ugly truth,, ugly ugly truth... it's amazing... we are winning, we have a QB that's at the very least, uber confident and appears to be backing it up with solid play and occasionally, outstanding play..
And we hear comments like one I read yesterday.... "most of his throws were high and not accurate"..
My comment to that particular poster was this: 29 of 48 passes hit the mark and were caught... so in fact, the majority or most of his throws were where they needed to be to get caught... making that posters position wrong...
It's amazing,,,, somehow, someway, some of us decide we don't like someone and all of a sudden, they can do NOTHING RIGHT! It's either that or some are in love with another player and want him in instead of the one that's there doing a job now... Quinn in this case..
I get the feeling that some on here are so in love with Quinn that they fail to see that DA is doing a pretty darn good job.. Odd, don't you think?
It's really a shame... I'm one of those that like to give a player the benefit of the doubt.. I supported Couch over Holcomb because I believed then and I do now that with the supporting cast that TC had,, he'd never be successful,,, I supported Frye until the day it occured to me,, ,what the heck are you doing.. and I realized I was doing the same thing in reverse of those that hated on a guy... I had no rational reason to stand up for him or anyone.. none of them had exactly set the world on fire..
So, I adopted a new set of rules,,, I support who's out there, and hope for the best.. I don't care who's number or name is on the jersey... It's wonderfully liberating,,, let me tell you...for the first time in a long time, I'm just enjoying watching the Browns play..,,,
some of you guys should give it a try,,,,, 
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