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Fresh meat.

Over/under:

- Fields 60 rushing yards
- Fields .5 rushing TDs
- Fields turnovers
- 20.5 Bears points

With how our defense played against Mills, They'll probably start on Fields canton bust after our game. The worst thing we go do is let him escape pocket. With how far our De's get upfield and our DT/LB play, he's going to have lanes.. I almost would keep a spy on him and make him throw. Alot of presnap motion on defense to confuse him. Knowing woods it'll be the same set and look the whole game though.

Same story 35 games running.

I really like justin... but had the exact same thought... like the kid, but he could be in for a rough day.... LET'S GO

They need to just let Owusu-Koramoah or Delpit spy him most of the game. Or switch it up and let Harrison do it as well to confuse him more, but I honestly believe the only way they beat us is to have him run for 75+ yards and a bunch of first downs. Their o-line is bad.

I was at the Aurora/bainbridge Jersey Mikes yesterday to get a sandwich.. The manager over there is a great guy and also a big fan of the Bears..

He mentioned that Fields was starting and I said wait until me meets Garrett and Clowney.. He laughed and said they'll never catch him.. I said, that's why we have JOK..... He stopped laughing...LOL

Anyway, this could be fun to watch.. I wish the kid well, I really do, but not against the Browns...

Can anyone name a QB that came to our house and we owned them? Anyone name a rookie QB or first time starter that was thrust into action and we owned them and made their life miserable? .... Now - can anyone think of QB's that we should have owned but we made them look like world beaters? Yes - thought so.

Last question - has anyone seen anything of Woods D that makes them think we will turn things around? ... I know I have not.

I expect to win - but not because of Fields or our D.

I remember when the Lions dude threw like 7 INTs and we still barely won the game

Found it … Ty Detmer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmApeveEHhE

Our run defense is near the top of the league, so yeah there are positives that will limit the Bears to throwing the ball especially if we get a lead, when we get them to one dimensional and get in our dime look and tighten a few things up and turn loose these safeties we have I believe we can give any QB a long afternoon.

So yeah granted the Browns are a work in progress, but you haven't got to look to hard to find positives and understand that once we do get things rolling and we will this defense has a high ceiling, they just need time.

It's truly better then I or you or anyone for that matter believes, it's going to happen and man oh man will it ever be fun to watch. I can't bring myself to say the P word I have heard it enough too, but in this instance we have very little choice and it will for sure pay off, just you watch.

We've played two games and the sky is falling. Haven't you been paying attention?

We've played 2 games and the defense thus far is not as good as the defense last year through 2 games was.

The sky isn't falling but there should be concern. One does not wait until the tire is completely flat before fixing it.

Your snark with people who are concerned does not a valid argument make.

How did you come to this conclusion?




The points I make however do.

IIRC, we started out last year pretty hot with a bunch of turnovers and then kinda fell off a cliff. Playing the likes of Cinci and WFT after we got out of the first Balt game probably didn't hurt.

It depends on how you measure it.

vs. the same point last year; after 2 games:

Run Defense, Yds: 2021 is better.
Pass Defense, Yds: 2021 is better.
Points Per Game : 2021 is MUCH better.

Elvis Grbac?

That's the last one who comes to mind for me, sadly.

I think we might have shut out the Titans in '05 or something like that, too.

I remember us beating Charlie Whitehurst once lol

Watching a clip today where Woods said they were putting players into a position to win. Is that how we explain 15 yard cushions, deep safeties, and receivers really open as we have seen? Why no blitz pressure to speak of? Feel we have given up ground too generously and too much. Press & pressure. Flash Fields.

Unleash MORE Elves!

Oh, that's right! I remember it being a close game, though, for some reason.

Expecting a win is considered the sky is falling??

Your post is all snark and little point. ** Least ways that's the way it read to me.

There is a legitimate concern with how soft the D has been. I do expect it to be a W and I don't expect it to be because of Justin Fields. I think that - oblivious to how we've played - expecting us to feast on fields has a lot less reality than what I wrote.

The point spread dropped from Browns -9 to Browns -7 as soon as Fields was announced. Vegas has more faith in Fields than in Dalton.

I watched Fields at OSU, and I think he'll be a good QB, but I don't see Lamar Jackson type speed and wiggle. Fields is fast, and probably a better passer than Jackson, but he takes some hard shots when he runs that Lamar avoids. IMO, his future is more as a traditional NFL pocket QB who can run, but probably won't anywhere near as much as Lamar Jackson.

And yet the eye test seems like we should have some concern.

Last year's defense was a lot slower and had less talent, and got smoked the first two games.

This year they have a lot more talent, had training camp and are faster and and got smoked as well. They make me nervous when they are on the field.

Honestly I am not sure we win the second game if Tyrod doesn't go out.

I'm not saying we need to do anything drastic, but we don't want to wait 6 games before correction, the season could be done in 6 games if we do.

I thought we could squeeze out a win if Tyrod played, but it didnt look pretty for a while

I think part of it is that with what we added this offseason, expectations are simply through the roof. Nobody wants to wait for the incremental improvements, we all feel we should see something dramatically different.

I agree on Tyrod, but a busted Tyrod is almost a given, so there's that, lol

In the end, I'm not too far from where you are in terms of what we feel we should have seen by now. We expected at least SOME real fireworks from the defensive side, and all we've gotten are fizzling sparklers and those crappy smoke snakes, lol

The things we SHOULD see - ballhawking takeaways instead of routine completions, and sacks from that DLine, just really haven't happened. In the first game, it was easily dismissible as we just played Mahommes. The dude can simply make that happen. That second game, though... there's a need for patience, but there's also some cause for concern. Yes, their OLine is big and powerful, but with a rookie QB in there, we should have seen more, and we should NOT have seen him have such an easy time of things - from the aspect of the DLine *AND* the DBs.

Sometimes I feel like the plan is for the DLine to run into someone and stomp their feet vigorously while the back end sets themselves up to watch the receiver catch the ball.

Thus far it feels like the D has no imagination. The Delpit blitzes were a nice change of pace. Maybe we will be ok, but this needs to have an eye kept on it as once it really goes south it will be too late to correct.

My take on Woods, is that if he is facing a mobile QB, he won't blitz. I think he tells the DEs to stay wide so they can't flush out and throw on the run, and expects the Dline to collapse the middle. Good theory, but as we have seen, lanes are opening for the QB to step up and running lanes are present.

I got a feeling he will use this concept again facing Fields. Which IMO, will be a mistake. I think he should blitz the crap out of him and force quick thinking. I'm sure Fields will make a couple runs, but forcing him into quick decisions should be effective. He may be good, but he is a rookie.

I don't think we will lose, and I expect the defense to be better, but relying on just a four man rush, IMO, will be a mistake.

The other key is the Bears Oline. They are not that good.
I say bring pressure from the get go, and don't let up until the game is over.

Fields is going to be a great qb in the NFL. I think

Hopefully not this Sunday.

You've nailed how I feel exactly. There is concern. Not because we aren't going to win games, but because of the lack of progress and any flashes of 'something' that will develop. Concern because expectations HAVE risen. We went to the playoffs last year with the same offense, and a theoretically worse D. On the D we've added 1st and 2nd round picks and upgraded the Safety and DL .... Hoping/expecting that translates to significantly more than what we witnessed last year on D.

Also how I feel. It's definitely a composite of disparate feelings (patience combined with "why are we seeing this/not seeing that").

It's a thin line to walk when in an argument on here.

You must have missed it again. We won the game by 10 points since that seemed to be the point you were trying to make.

Yes, that was snark.

In the KC game our O handed Mahomes the ball twice and the ST's handed him the ball once. That's THREE TIMES we handed him the ball and he's not Andy dalton, it's Patrick Mahomes.

So should fans be concerned? Sure. Should they try laying this all at the feet of the defense? Not even close.

I actually don't mind Woods' defensive scheme against the Chiefs. With Mahomes, dialing up pressure is historically a bad to very bad strategy. The Patriots and the Buccaneers showed that it's all about maintaining integrity and doing your best with your front four and trying to conceal your coverage on the back end (I think Belichick ran a "Cover 5" or something weird like that).

I was concerned that it seemed like we kept the same game plan in the Texans game, especially after Mills came in. You have to try and adjust your scheme to both the opponents' weaknesses and also your strengths. I'm not closing the book on that and calling for Woods' head, but it's definitely something I'm going to pay attention to as the season progresses.

I've always been one that thinks a single approach on either D or O is shortsighted. Stefanski seems to adjust the O to take advantage of our opponents weaknesses which will vary from game to game.

I don't see that so much with Woods. But I also look at the circumstances involved here. We have so many new moving parts on the D I think it would be much harder to employ such a strategy at this point.

I liken it to the O of last year. The first half of the season didn't see many adjustments on O. In the second half of the season as the O came together we saw more adjustments based on the opponents. The old analogy of "You have to learn to crawl before you can walk" comes to mind.

I think we are actually very much on the same page here. At this stage I don't find it too concerning. Had we not have handed the ball to Mahomes three times with turnovers I firmly believe we would have beaten KC. Those turnovers were beyond the control of our D. I don't think there are any teams in the NFL that can have three turnovers against the Chiefs in the fourth quarter and walk away with the victory.

While this D hasn't been pretty, we won against the Texans by ten points. So it's not as if this D isn't doing enough to win because they are. It just hasn't been pretty.

But much like yourself I expect more from them as time goes by. I expect to see progress and more variations depending on opponents and situations.

I'm certainly not going to rush to judgement based on the first two games with so many new moving parts.

I know losing starters is always going to hurt, but now I'm wondering how the loss of Walker (the original on-field headset-wearer) might be factoring in to any scheme or responsibility struggles we had week 2.

Johnson III was the "headset" wearer for the Rams so there is at least one person who's experienced.. Oh and weren't the the #1 D last year?

I agree with you. Fields is much more in the Russell Wilson mold than the Lamar Jackson mold. Now I don't know if his ceiling is as high as Wilson but that's the guy he should be trying to emulate.

Let's hope that Woods is in the mood to show different looks and blitz occasionally. I really like Fields but I want us to make a rookie qb look like a rookie qb for once. Bring pressure, rattle him. Does Woods have the guts? We have too many weapons to not confuse him. Please take advantage! I'm gonna be pissed if i see the same stuff from last Sunday.