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The reason there here now is because Biden re-opened the door all the way, a door Trump had 3/4’s to 90% closed …

- joKe did away with the remain in Mexico policy …. This is huge, instead of waiting in Mexico for there hearings, now there released into the US with an appearance to show up date wherever they land in the country … almost none of them ever show up …

- JoKe quit building the wall …
- The joKe invited them all in during his campaign …

As for the current influx of Haitians, hardly any to none of them went through what Clem’s summary of the article he posted said … I’ll use the Haitians as an example since that’s the most recent flood we’ve seen, but make no mistake were getting illegals from 150 countries according to the border patrol #’s … the only thing in Clem’s summary that is closer to a fact than a lie is they all come here for a better life … 100% true … the rest of what Clem’s summary said is partially true but there’s such a small % of truth in it, its way to closer to a lie than a fact … actually, they do have a tough road to get here with the coyotes, that part’s also true … but almost none of them are leaving for the reason’s Clem’s summary states …

the Haitians came from countries like Chile and Brazil, almost all of if not all of them had asylum status in those countries and have no right to come here and claim asylum …. Some of them hadn’t been to Haiti in 10+ years and almost all of them hadn’t lived in Haiti in the last year … Like most of the 200k a month we KNOW ABOUT coming in, only a very very few are fleeing the circumstances that Clem’s summary states … at this point that’s nothing but a heart strings statement …

We don’t have borders right now … joKe says were closed yet out of the 17k that passed through that bridge in the Rio grande valley the lying POC head of homeland security said just yesterday that 10k or 12k or maybe more have been released into the country and another 5k are in the process (witch means they’ll be released in the country very soon) … that doesn’t seem like a closed border to me but actions no longer matter, only getting away with lies does when there’s no ramifications due to a press that is now a wing of the Democratic Party ….

They all come here for one simple reason … a better life and for that I don’t blame them one little bit, it’s what there suppose to do but almost all of them are not victims of the circumstances Clem’s summary states …

Quite a bit of Clem’s summary had a very small amount of truth in them and that’s the only reason there not blatant lies … the rest of the world isn’t struggling with this issue near as much as they were before obUma unleashed the Syrian crisis around 2010 or so …

Since then many of those countries now have walls on there borders for the sole purpose of keeping migrants out, one or two countries even paid the migrants to leave they were acclimating so well … Australia never took any on there mainland, they put them on an island off there coast … MEXICO even built a wall on its southern border when Trump enforced the stay in Mexico policy ….

The rest of the world is not struggling with this issue … some places are but none of them have a situation even close to us because even though this is a country full of racists and suppresses minorities still want to come here …

The internet says the world produces enough food to feed 12 billion people. 10 billion. there is enough food.
I don't know how anyone survives the democrats party.

All my pain is because of the democrats
feeling some kind of way

No problem, arch.
Everybody's got a life outside of DT.
You are on no clock at all.

Take your time. Follow up when you can.

I do hope you read the link I sent, because it fills in a lot of the under-story that never gets covered by the 'drive-thru media' most folks settle get.

I don't get too deep into the immigration issue here because I've always seen it as too complex and multi-layered to simply join a side and lob bombs. Instead, I'll drop stuff like this into the mix from time to time, to represent some sliver of how I see it.


I'll be interested to hear what you think.
PM's are good.

My dad can beat up your dad.

It didn't take much.

I don't know much about Haiti but what I think is.
It's about 6 million people piled onto an area about the size of a beach.
Of course it's horrible living conditions. Why don't they evacuate every single one of them, bring them to America, and leave the place vacant.
All they seem to do is get hit with hurricanes and earthquakes to begin with.
Their top 2 categories of GDP are foreign aid, and money returned from expatriated hatians, aka people who got out and are sending money back to their families and friends. Why would they stay there.

So you are for open borders, then?

Also, it was this type of misunderstanding that led to the latest group at the border (they thought the US was bringing them all in).

This is the first time I visited this forum in months, and after reading the whole damn thread, I don’t know whether to laugh, cry or have a long nap.

Thanks to some for the enlightenment, thanks to a few others for the laughs. I spend almost no time reading/watching tv news, about political issues, world events, et cetera, both American and Canadian, because as I’ve gotten older I just said, [censored] it, I don’t want the headaches that come with worrying about things that are beyond my control.

But it looks to me like the Republicans here, more specifically Trump supporters, are taking a beating from the facts. I’ll say this: anyone who thinks Trump was a good president - we won’t talk about whether he is a good person - is not looking at things from a human perspective, only a political one in many cases, I would say. Sorry to offend any of my DT friends who are Trump supporters, I truly am.

About immigrants: I have met Syrian refugee families who are so grateful to have escaped hell on earth. I have seen it in their eyes, and heard stories about family neighborhoods under siege from civil war. Families with little kids, growing up with that.

Can’t blame them for running to a better place, & can’t blame Haitians or anyone else for wanting a better life.

Amen.

Everyone came here from someplace else, and almost all were fleeing intolerable circumstances (war, famine, ethnic oppression, etc). It's kinda our thing, You and We. Both nations have been made stronger, more robust from the diversity of citizenship.

No doubt. One big distinction between then and now is that then they didn't get food, clothing, medical care and shelter from tax payer funds.

More bad news on the inflation front. The Dollar Tree is taking many items above $1.

I just spent $60 at the store for basically bread, hotdogs, deli meat, milk, and a few other basic items. Must be nice to have one of those cards that covers your food.

Just a question for those of you who use those, do you get annual adjustments on those suckers? Wish I could get adjustments on the money in my wallet.

Sorry, but I might have to play devil's advocate a bit. If you weren't spending your money on cheap, nutrient-sparse food, you probably wouldn't have to spend so much money on healthcare, and thus would have more money in your wallet. Unfortunately, if one can only afford lousy food, he/she is probably also going to have lousy health, and thus have a hard time making more money.

Plus, many people (not all) do get their wallets adjusted for inflation. My performance/salary is reviewed each year and adjusted accordingly (with inflation as part of the adjustment). This is pretty common for salaried jobs.

So I have no doubt there is abuse - there is abuse of every system in the world from Corporate C suite thru to welfare abuse and everything in between. Putting that aside - if you think someone that genuinely qualifies for welfare is lucky - then you have zero clue. It's a very worn our trop that people on welfare don't want to work, get everything handed to them, have a cushy life and are "lucky" to get lots of free stuff.

He's just another crazy person who thinks people are eating like kings on food assistance. Something he knows nothing about but pretends he does.

He promotes people work at below poverty jobs and starve. That's his vision of Murica!

something tells me if there was a bunch of white europeans running from some hell hole eastern european countries, conservatives would be all in on bringing them to this country.


but the moment it looks like some dudes that gave them a mixed grandchild, all hell breaks loose.

Well they've been programmed.....

“We have people coming into the country or trying to come in, we're stopping a lot of them, but we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't believe how bad these people are," Trump said.

"These aren't people. These are animals."

In June 2015, while Trump was a presidential candidate, he said, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best."

He added: "They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

The racism and bias they had was reinforced by someone that they not only believed, but elected as president. Funny how that works. No matter how horrible the things he said were, it only backed up what they already believed and wanted to hear. That's all it really takes to be elected president these days.

Are you seriously crying about money after all the damn bragging you have done about how well you have it? LMFAO@U You are a joke. I can't believe you are in here trying to shame people on food stamps or whatever the food program is called now. I know damn good and well you can afford ford and a bit of increasing prices... I mean god forbid all those people on the bottom refusing to work for slave wages and forcing businesses to pay higher wages might cause the price of your bologna steak to go up a dime. smfh, you and your ilk are unbelievable.

He doesn't have a money problem, he has a trumpian brain problem. It should be recognized as a deadly disease and eradicated at all costs.

A lot of those who get food assistance are the very same people he advocates working at below poverty wages. So he promotes keeping wages low and then scoffs at them qualifying for government assistance because they make so little.

That's pretty much whining about a situation you promoted creating in the first place.

Millions of full-time U.S. workers receive federal health care and food assistance

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/millions-of...ood-assistance/

Oh I bet he knows a lot about it because he goes out of his way to pretend he doesn't. He probably bilked the system his entire life to get ahead but begrudges others the same because he thinks it's cheating him somehow... you can't make this crap up.

Just like the way they acted about the stimulus checks... I saw tons of GOPers saying they didn't want it, but I have seen zero proof that even ONE of them sent the checks back uncashed. Bet Peen kept his too... I know he bashed people for being in need all the way through the pandemic.

They might cost him something. He must want to be buried with his precious money.

Must hate the OTHER.

LOl...actually my health is in pretty good shape. Don't have to go back to him until May. I do have an appointment with the ophthalmologist in a couple of months. I go there twice a year.

Actually the food was some stuff to have in the fridge for our son. He is going to do some house sitting while we are out of town next week. Mostly lunch items. I did buy some turkey if that makes you feel better. The bread was wheat, some grain cereal...ok hotdogs. I'd say most people eat a few of those every now and then.

I do appreciate your concern, but you don't know what you are talking about.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. The point of the post was inflation. The recent wage increases had by many are quickly being eaten up.

Next it will be taxes. You do realize that every penny of taxes paid by a business comes from money spent by consumers don't you? Consumers pay for every penny.

I am not shaming anyone. I am complaining about inflation. I don't hold it against people who do. I just said I wish I had one since my money isn't buying what it did before.

You guys jump to a lot of conclusions.

Time out my friend. I never bilked anyone. As far as covid checks, we got one, none of the others.

Sure, I cashed it.

I don't mind you saying what you want on many areas where we disagree, that's fair game, but I draw the line when you start insinuating I cheated my way through life.

Thank-You

I noticed obsessive compulsive dog didn't say where he returned his check either.

Well I didn't and I wouldn't because I'm not ridiculous. And Mr. silly name calling Char: OldColdDawg !== obsessive compulsive dog! Seriously, don't call me a damn dog again.

I don't know who char is.

But you, dog, are exactly what you rail against.

And ish like this is why you go on ignore. Because you intentionally just called me something I told you not to call me in the post just above. No idea why I even try with you, zebras can't change their stripes and trogs can never leave the mud. Back on ignore.

Ok dog.

And you will read every post I make regardless, dog.

You can do better than that, arch. So, be better.

BTW, I’m glad ballpeen responded to the harsh posts that went his way. I thought they were a bit over the top when I read them this evening.

Actually they are not "eaten up". Yes there will be a certain amount of inflation. but wages alone are not every cost of business. There's the cost of the store, the goods themselves, taxes, utilities and a host of other cost overhead besides labor. I mean you are dishing out one of the standard excuse lines given as to why their should be slave wages given to working people but it doesn't stand up under scrutiny.

As of now billionaires corporations, 50 of the richest are pocketing all of the money and paying zero in taxes. I guess they don't count though.

Of course they count and taxation needs to be fixed. I don't think we will find all that many who don't feel that way.


I want people making decent wages, or should I say a decent living. Wages alone don't fix a living standard. The problem is no matter where you set wages as a minimum, that is going to be the bottom of the scale wage, no matter how you cut it, I think we can agree on that.

You listed some of the other expenses a business has to pay other than labor costs such as cost of goods, insurance, utilities, etc. Each of those providers are also having to adjust wages to keep their costs in balance, so their prices go up as well. It has a snowball effect all the way through, thus, the new minimum will soon enough not be enough.

We could make minimum wage $100 per hour and that would be bottom of the wage scale, and soon those people wouldn't be making enough..well, at that point it would be broken. Nobody would have any money and we would be a communist, socialist state with everybody making the same no matter what they contributed to society.

All one has to do is look at China. Look at what has happened there once they adopted a market capitalism based economy. They probably have a billion people living in squalor, but many have risen above that.

The fix is to get people educated to the point they can rise above minimum wage levels based on their ability. That is the bottom line.

No doubt we need to provide support for those who need the support, but I also say that needs to be reserved for those who try. I just think we have a segment of people who don't try.

The difference between here and places where you see people sitting around, starving with flys crawling on their face is those people don't have any options. Here we do, at least for now.

Look at the number of jobs that are unfilled. That should never be a problem, but it is.

Just remember what I said, maybe in this thread, maybe another: Every dollar paid in taxes by a corporation is paid by a consumer. The same can be said of wages.

We can go round and round about this with point and counter point with everybody being correct. I guess the bottom line is there is no fix. Each fix create another problem.

As I say, it is what it is.

I don't disagree that the cost of everything goes up when wages do because some labor is involved in everything. But there are still the products and goods themselves. As in the building of a new business. will the cost of the building go up? Sure. But it's already a huge expense so it's not like the cost of that building will skyrocket.

And yes, to some extent we have to choose between evils here. Sounds a lot like voting doesn't it?

My lesser of the evils is that minimum wage should be established according to the poverty level. I don't want to see anyone in our nation working full time have to apply for government assistance. I mean I just can't understand how most Americans can expect other people to work their tails off and can't even make a living.

Work always gave me a sense of pride and accomplishment. That was my motivation for working. I'm not sure how I would have felt working my butt off and having to look to the government for hand outs while I did.

Costs go up. No doubt labor isn't the only cause, but it is a big cause. On most P&L statements, labor is the 2nd largest cost to a business after cost of goods. At least on the controllable side of the P&L statement. You have uncontrollable costs such as rent that might be larger. Uncontrollable costs are the fixed costs. Costs that stay the same no matter how much money your business generates.

Are CEO's wages categorized as labor? Because they average as much as 351 times the income of the average employee. link

Maybe the answer isn't raising the minimum. Maybe we do need to limit the maximum, or at least limit the ratio of difference between highest and lowest incomes within companies. Even if we set it at 200% (2000%? It's way too early for math. What % is 351 times more?) that'd still be a massive amount getting redistributed. It wouldn't set a cap on what someone could make, but it would effectively require elites to raise their employees with them instead of the currently empty words of "rising tides lift all boats" where those on top are getting further and further above those on the bottom.