What Trump did may be simple. Why he did it, I don't think so. He did it with his supporters in mind, but I also think he took the likely reaction of the other side into account. That reaction seems to be helping him with his supporters. He's really good at bringing out the worst in people, and not just his supporters. So while you are opposing Trump, many on the left are doing it in a way that it appears he can use to his advantage in further radicalizing his people and polarizing the country at large.
I don't think he is that smart. I think he just has the innate ability to do so. A natural born talent
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As far as the 2nd point, an awful lot of Democrats seem to lump everyone that doesn't agree with them on every single thing into that group.
There is some truth that statement but for clarity, 1, "that group" that you refer isn't trumplicans and 2, they also tend to lump other dems into that group.
The difference between Jesus and religion Religion mocks you for having dirty feet Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
I'll give you the simplest explanation for this I can. Not for you actually, but for anyone who reads this thread.
Here's the bottom line. Those who still believe that the election was stolen are never going to change their minds. Those who continue to believe that Jan. 6th was peaceful are never going to change their minds. Those who believe that the vaccines cause you to be magnetic or have tracking devices in them are never going to change their minds. Some people you just can't reach no matter how many facts are presented to them.
Even Barr, Trump's hand picked and appointed AG told them there was no mass voter fraud. Repeated recounts were done. Now you have the audit in Arizona. And why on God's green earth would a state like Texas where Trump won want to do an audit?
You do understand the strategy here, right? That's to promote the lie continue without end. Nobody is actually stopping them from these audits. Nobody is telling them they can't look. These are all states with Republican controlled state senates.
All anyone else is doing is showing the absurdity of what they're doing. Showing how many times these myths and conspiracies have been disproven. It's for the people that haven't made up their minds and are willing to listen. Because nothing anyone can say will change the minds of the lost souls who will not.
This is dangerous. We may have only seen a glimpse of just how dangerous.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I think that it is easy to take a position that there was mass voter fraud.
But the more difficult question that has to be asked and answered is how was this fraud committed?
Let’s go through the most plausible scenarios.
Was it tabulation error?
Was it ignoring votes or tossing votes into the waste basket?
Was it illegitimate voters casting ballots?
Was it something with the machines?
When you go through each of the possibilities and look for evidence or significance, it begins to fall apart. There may be differences, but they are in the margins.
There are controls and procedures in place to address post election issues. It is not difficult to count. Now whether or not you are willing to accept the outcome is a different matter. That used to be true until Trump started railing against all elections as being fraudulent or crooked.
The laws that were recently passed that give the legislature or a political person the ability to overturn the results is reprehensible and the latest iteration to skew results. We have seen pre election strategies to gerrymander, or limit hours and times, or limit mail in balloting. These are the latest approaches by political parties to select their voters. These laws can seem superficially neutral on the surface, like one ballot drop off location per county, but in practice they are slanted to provide the GOP an advantage. A rural county of 100,000 gets the same number of drop off locations as a city in a county of 2 million. The same happens when polling places do not have a sufficient number of voting machines/staff resulting in lines that are hours in duration.
We have 4 constitutional amendments to address who can vote.. it is an American tradition to have political parties fight to exclude voters that may not be to their benefit.
This is all a ruse to try to game the system by discrediting the system that we have. And I will say it, the reason why the GOP has adopted the strategy is that their policies do not favor the changing demographics…
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!…. That did not age well.
I want to add this is where Sidney Powell, and Rudy’s claims fell apart when they filed their lawsuits.
It is one thing to claim fraud, it is another to provide real evidence to support your claim.
Unfortunately for Powell and Rudy, this will probably cost them their license to practice law.
I'm pretty sure that every challenge to the election has been thrown out!
All I've ever asked of those that think it was rigged is Proof.
I don't need some half wit/half baked lawyer to tell me she's releasing the Kraken.. That doesn't scare me at all.. I need her to prove it.
I also don't need some nitwit former major city mayor who Trump clearly has pictures of doing something untoward to try to tell me he's got proof only to fold under oath when questioned.
I don't don't need some pillow headed former druggie telling me what to believe.. I want proof.
Not one of these three are still in Trumps inner Circle. He apparently has figured out they are a liability.
PROOF: That's all it takes... Rhetoric and lies won't cut it.
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I think that the 1.3 billion defamation lawsuits filed by Dominion against Rudy, Sidney and Fox actually stand a chance of being won by Dominion.
The recent deposition from Rudy was a bit mind numbing.
This is the deposition involving one of the lawsuits where a claim was made about a former Dominion employee. It is the appetizer, as the Dominion case(s) probably have a lot more horsepower behind them.
I think that the 1.3 billion defamation lawsuits filed by Dominion against Rudy, Sidney and Fox actually stand a chance of being won by Dominion.
The recent deposition from Rudy was a bit mind numbing.
This is the deposition involving one of the lawsuits where a claim was made about a former Dominion employee. It is the appetizer, as the Dominion case(s) probably have a lot more horsepower behind them.
Back when 9/11 took place and frankly before that, I had a huge amount of respect for Rudy.. Frankly, I thought it did a great job dealing with all of that. I have no idea what the hell happened to him,, but he's done gone round the bend.
As for the Dominion lawsuits, I think its $1.3 billion in each suit against each of the entities.
Ya know, that's a whole lotta dumb for a couple of lawyers and a Network
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“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Senate report reveals new details about Trump's efforts to push Justice Department to overturn election BY MELISSA QUINN
UPDATED ON: OCTOBER 7, 2021 / 8:43 PM / CBS NEWS
Washington — The Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday released a new report shedding further light on former President Donald Trump's relentless efforts to enlist the Justice Department to challenge the results of the 2020 presidential election over baseless claims of election fraud.
Drawing from documents and interviews with three Justice Department officials who were in top roles during Mr. Trump's final chaotic weeks in office, the 394-page report is the latest that seeks to recount the former president's attempts to remain in office by asserting without evidence claims of election fraud.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Dick Durbin, a Democrat from Illinois, said in a statement the report shows "just how close we came to a constitutional crisis," but credited Justice Department leaders with standing firm against his pressure campaign.
"Donald Trump would have shredded the Constitution to stay in power. We must never allow this unprecedented abuse of power to happen again," Durbin said.
Republicans on the committee released their own report to counter Democrats' findings. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, the top GOP member of the Judiciary panel, said transcripts from the probe paint a picture that differs starkly from Democrats' claims that Mr. Trump attempted to weaponize the Justice Department to overturn the election results.
"The available evidence shows that President Trump did what we'd expect a president to do on an issue of this importance: he listened to his senior advisors and followed their advice and recommendations," Grassley said in a statement.
The report from the Judiciary Committee's majority details an hours-long meeting in the Oval Office on January 3, when Mr. Trump gathered with acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue, Assistant Attorney General Steven Engel, White House counsel Pat Cipollone, his deputy, Patrick Philbin, and Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, a key figure in raising doubts about the integrity of the election with the president.
During the meeting, Donoghue and Engel told the president there would be mass resignations from the Justice Department if he replaced Rosen with Clark, who was pushing claims about election irregularities in Georgia, according to the report. Cipollone, who also threatened to resign, told Mr. Trump his plans to fire Rosen and install Clark amounted to a "murder-suicide pact," Donoghue recalled in an interview with the committee.
Clark urged Justice Department leaders to intervene in Georgia's elections and sent Rosen and Donoghue a draft letter in late December claiming the department identified "significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states." The letter called for the Georgia legislature to consider appointing a new slate of presidential electors, according to the committee report.
But Rosen and Donoghue rejected Clark's proposal to send his letter, according to documents and testimony given to the committee. Still, Clark attempted to use the letter, and his closeness to the president, as leverage over Rosen, according to the report.
In one instance, Clark told Rosen and Donoghue that Trump offered to replace Rosen as the acting attorney general with him, but said he would reject the offer if Rosen signed his letter about the Justice Department's purported concerns about election irregularities in Georgia.
The report provides further details about Mr. Trump's interactions with the Justice Department as he sought to undermine the results of the presidential election and questioned why department officials weren't doing more to address baseless claims of election fraud.
The committee found there were at least three calls between Mr. Trump and Rosen alone in a seven-day span in late December, as well as three meetings in the Oval Office between the president, Rosen and Donoghue.
White House chief of staff Mark Meadows also asked Rosen to open investigations into allegations of election fraud in Georgia and New Mexico, as well as an outlandish theory pushed by Rudy Giuliani that an Italian contractor used military satellites to manipulate voting machines and flip votes cast for Mr. Trump to President Biden.
The extent of Mr. Trump's efforts to challenge the results of the 2020 presidential election sounded alarm bells throughout the top ranks of the Justice Department, the report from the Judiciary Committee and an earlier probe from the House Oversight and Reform Committee indicate.
In one instance, the U.S. attorney in Atlanta, Byung Jin Pak, resigned as Mr. Trump and his allies advanced their claims of election fraud. But the Senate Judiciary report found it was the president who forced Pak's resignation, as he believed he wasn't doing enough to address his baseless allegations.
After Pak investigated and debunked Mr. Trump's theories about election fraud in Georgia, the president claimed he was a "Never Trumper" and told Rosen and Donoghue on January 3 that he wanted Pak fired, according to the committee.
But Donoghue said Pak planned to resign, and the former president agreed not to fire him if he stepped down the following day. Pak, however, had no plans to leave and intended to remain in his role as U.S. attorney until the inauguration.
While a federal prosecutor named Kurt Erskine was set to succeed Pak, as he was first assistant U.S. attorney, the president told Donoghue he was interested in another U.S. attorney in Georgia, Bobby Christine, to replace Pak, as he thought he would "do something" about the election fraud claims.
The Judiciary Committee's report makes a number of recommendations intended to shield the Justice Department from future political controversies. But the panel also suggested that some issues that arose during its investigation extend beyond its purview, and should be examined by the House Select Committee investigating the January 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol.
The committee said Mr. Trump's efforts to use the Justice Department as part of his attempt to reverse the results of the 2020 election were aided by allies with ties to the "Stop the Steal" movement and the January 6 attack. The report names three of these allies with January 6 connections that are "notable": Congressman Scott Perry of Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania state Senator Doug Mastriano and conservative attorney Cleta Mitchell.
"These ties warrant further investigation to better place Trump's efforts to enlist DOJ in his efforts to overturn the presidential election in context with the January 6 insurrection," the report states.
Perry, who led the objection to Pennsylvania's electoral votes when Congress convened to reaffirm Mr. Biden's victory January 6, introduced Clark to Mr. Trump. Perry also spoke on the phone with Donoghue on December 27 and said the Justice Department was not doing its job with respect to the election, the committee found. The GOP congressman emailed Donoghue documents detailing claims about election fraud in Pennsylvania, many of which had already been debunked.
While the Senate Judiciary panel received calendars, emails and other documents from the Justice Department as part of its investigation into Mr. Trump's election scheme, the National Archives has yet to respond to the committee's request for additional records from the Trump White House.
The committee continues to probe Mr. Trump's attempts to involve the Justice Department in his efforts to reverse the election results.
"The available evidence shows that President Trump did what we'd expect a president to do on an issue of this importance: he listened to his senior advisors and followed their advice and recommendations," Grassley said in a statement.
Damn, Chuck. Obfuscate much?
It took a team of people three hours to talk this moron away from yet another shredding of the constitution... because he's too st00pid to be even able to spell 'constitution'... let alone know and understand what it is/means.
3 hours. For something that should have taken less than 3 minutes with virtually any other American citizen with an IQ north of a soap dish.
That's how stupid this man is. That's how willful this man is. That's how dangerous this man is.
The Stolen Election narrative continues and is being embraced by the top of the GOP leadership. It still matters and it is still worth shining a light on it.
Texas GOP Lt. Gov. Patrick offered $25,000 for election-fraud tips. The first payout was for a Republican’s illegal vote.
Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick waves to the crowd at Kyle Field before the start of a football game on Oct. 9 in College Station. (Sam Craft/AP) By Julian Mark Yesterday at 7:27 a.m. EDT
Three days after the 2020 presidential election was called for Joe Biden — and as President Donald Trump took to Twitter and falsely claimed that tens of thousands of votes were cast illegally — Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R) said he would reward a minimum of $25,000 to tipsters who uncovered credible instances of voter fraud.
“I support President Trump’s efforts to identify voter fraud in the presidential election and his commitment to making sure that every legal vote is counted and every illegal vote is disqualified,” Patrick said in a Nov. 10 news release.
Now, nearly a year later, Patrick has given out his first reward — but not to a member of his party, the Dallas Morning News reported this week. Patrick’s campaign sent a $25,000 check to Eric Frank, a Democratic poll worker from Pennsylvania whose tip led to the recent conviction of a 72-year-old registered Republican who cast a second vote in his son’s name last November, the Morning News reported.
Having deposited his check, Frank told the Morning News that Patrick’s plan may have backfired.
“It’s my belief that they were trying to get cases of Democrats doing voter fraud. And that just wasn’t the case,” Frank said. “This kind of blew up in their face.”
Claims of voter fraud by Trump and prominent Republicans persisted following the 2020 election, despite a dearth of evidence, failed court challenges and audits in key swing states that only confirmed Biden’s victory.
Meanwhile, law enforcement officials in those states discovered a relatively small number of voter fraud cases worth investigating. In Pennsylvania, at least three Republicans were among the targets, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. The list included Ralph Thurman, whom Frank caught voting a second time at a Chester County, Pa., polling station.
A spokesperson for Patrick did not respond to a request for comment late Thursday. Pennsylvania man admits he voted for Trump with his dead mom’s name: ‘I listened to too much propaganda’
On Election Day, Thurman, a registered Republican, cast his own ballot and then asked Frank, a poll worker, if he could vote on behalf of his son, the Daily Local News reported. Frank told Thurman that would be illegal, but Thurman showed up later wearing sunglasses and proceeded to vote again. When Frank noticed, he alerted his father, an elections judge. Thurman quickly fled the building as the father and son tried to speak with him, the paper reported.
Frank and his father provided statements to law enforcement, and prosecutors charged Thurman later that month.
After Patrick announced that he had set aside $1 million to pay $25,000-plus bounties to individuals whose tips of voter fraud led to convictions, some tipsters — including Frank — complained that Patrick offered no clear way to apply for a reward, the Morning News reported. At that point, Thurman had not been convicted and Frank was not eligible.
But in September, Thurman pleaded guilty to a charge of repeat voting, a felony for which he was sentenced to three years of probation and was barred from voting for four years, the Inquirer reported. And, after inquiries from Frank and the Morning News, Allen Blakemore, a spokesman for Patrick, said Frank could apply directly through him. When Frank did, “Texans for Dan Patrick” sent Frank a $25,000 check, which Frank previously told the Morning News he might put toward buying a house.
Blakemore confirmed to WBAP that Frank’s reward has been the only one so far, although Frank received the minimum amount. A top-dollar reward could go to “somebody who uncovers a ring of people, or somebody who is involved in multiple ballots being cast,” Blakemore told WBAP.
Frank told the Morning News he was happy that Patrick honored his word. “Thank you for putting out the bounty,” he said.
So their claim is it's Democrats committing voter fraud but they keep finding it was Republicons? Yes, Republicans was misspelled on purpose.
there was a story a month or so back, I cant seem to find it now, but it said that there was a democrat in PA that committed fraud... so I guess there's that.
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“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I'm not a big watcher of Maddow,, so I didn't see that at all..
I was shocked by the result. I thought the upshot of it was going to be that the fraudulent vote went for biden.., Here it was the husband that committed fraud... Like I said before in another thread, Republicans are accusing Dems of doing what they are actually doing.
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“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
