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Controversy, controversy. Here we go. This question will undoubtedly be lingering around for a few years in Cleveland.
The question being: Should the Browns have drafted Adrian Peterson instead of Joe Thomas? Right now, and in the long run, I think Phil's decision was the right one, only because I think Joe will be around longer than Adrian in the longevity of playing in the NFL. Running backs, unless they are super lucky, re avoiding career ending injuries tend to have shorter life spans.
Of course the issue of impact, being brought up will be favoring Adrian with all the running and scoring records he MIGHT be able to attain in his career but, if Joe Thomas can help make a ordinary QB become a very good one or great one and as everyone knows its the QB who makes the Offense go, then I would myself like our decision on that point also. JMHO
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APete was electric at OU as a Freshman, then as teams started to figure out his running style he became a player who was still great, but could be handled....He is running though the NFL with that sam abandon that he ran as a freshman. I think the NFL will figure him out. Not saying he still wont be good.....Just saying he does have flaws and they will surface, I still think he runns to upright and is not patient enough, but he is doing pretty darn good.
All that being said, no way would i trade JT for APete. It is just so hard to find the great LT, and once you have one your whole team is better. I think JT will be more durable and a more valuable pro that Pete in the long run......APete is tearing it up though.JMO
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You can't go wrong with either, though I've always preferred Peterson - he's a very unique and special talent. You really can't argue Thomas either though, as he's been absolutely rock solid and it's unbelievably difficult to find that at LT. Drafting Thomas adds consistency to our line that we wouldn't be having otherwise and Peterson adds explosiveness to our ground game that it lacks. Like I said before the draft, I think Peterson will be a Hall of Fame rusher when it's all said and done and I'd have loved to see him go there in orange and brown, but Thomas has been excellent too and could end up in the same class with All Day. The only reason you second guess in a thread like this is if you aren't happy with your selection. I don't know anyone on this board who isn't thrilled with how Thomas has performed thus far, so I don't really have anything else to say. 
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NO, NO and NO!  OUR team needed Joe Thomas. Plane and simple. AP looks like he'll be a great player, but he would have been the wrong pick for THIS team. Phil made all the right choices at the time for the Browns. Even the Quinn pick. No one could have ever guessed the DA would be doing what he's doing. I have to believe that a big part of that is because of our new O line.
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This crossed my mind...for about 1 second yesterday.
AP would have been decent here but not stellar. One thing people don't see is that AP has Hutch and McKinney on the left side...something he wouldn't have had here.
Actually the question should have been - could we have made a better draft day deal to get JT and AP, not BQ. That's a better question.
We can run the ball when we need to, we can run in goal line situations. We couldn't have said that without JT.
I hope this isn't seriously debated because AP wouldn't have been as good here as he is in Minny.
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The question being: Should the Browns have drafted Adrian Peterson instead of Joe Thomas?
To me there is NO controversy. How many times have the Browns scored 27 or more points this season? How many times has the QB been sacked? There are many reasons the Browns are 5-3. The offensive line is a HUGE part of it.
As far as I am concerned, anyone who KNOWS football, KNOWS the Browns made the BEST possible pick.
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We bring this up while Joe Thomas is having a PRO BOWL year as a ROOKIE?
Please...
The only position you prioritize on offense over left tackle is QB, and even then we didn't do that.
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Should the Browns have drafted Adrian Peterson instead of Joe Thomas?
Hell no.... and it ain't even close. Joe Thomas was by FAR the right pick and the question itself isn't even a valid one. Just like the fact that it was pointless to consider a QB until the line was fixed, so goes taking a RB.
Folks need to stop getting all caught up in the shiny stats and take a look at how much better our TEAM is with a real offensive line.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Should the Browns have drafted Adrian Peterson instead of Joe Thomas?
Hell no.... and it ain't even close. Joe Thomas was by FAR the right pick and the question itself isn't even a valid one. Just like the fact that it was pointless to consider a QB until the line was fixed, so goes taking a RB.
Folks need to stop getting all caught up in the shiny stats and take a look at how much better our TEAM is with a real offensive line.
right on, well said! 
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Thomas was the right pick, IMO. Without a solid O-Line, Peterson wouldn't be getting near the yards that he has.
I know it's hindsight, because he (Wimbley) had a real nice year last year, but with our PUTRID D-Line, how would Haloti Ngata look manning the nose over the selection of Wimbley at OLB? I'm sure I'll hear the "Wimbley's been double-teamed" excuse, but old man McGinest seems to be making plays.
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Controversy, controversy.
Only in your world...
have you been watching our Offense at all?
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We 100% made the right pick, We drafted the best player at any postion in the draft at # 3...Joe Thomas Do it over again 100 times and I'd draft Joe Thomas 100 times... AD is having a great year..He's a talent, but give me J.Thomas anyday....
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JT. was the pick in last years draft for us , hands down... 
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Peterson was the most talented player in the draft but the question of could he last in the NFL is why we didnt draft him and that is still a question. Peterson is phenominal but can he ever be durable?
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To paraphrase Phil after the draft...
We have tried to serve apple pie for dinner for far too long. It was time to serve Meat & Potatoes.
AP = Apple Pie
Joe Thomas = Meat & Potatoes
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We've been through this..NO way should we have bypassed what is looking like the best pick we ever made since coming back.. No way would I take Peterson over Thomas... Do U see how much time DA has to throw? Do U see DE'S being neutralized on that side? For EVERYONE who posted pre-draft and GAVE EVERY weak, stupid false reasons to not take Thomas..WHERE are your sorry butts now?  
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Peterson was the most talented player in the draft but the question of could he last in the NFL is why we didnt draft him and that is still a question. Peterson is phenominal but can he ever be durable?
They're already running the snot out of him because they have no air attack!
He may hold up this season...he may not!
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it looks like weve all said it.
JT was the right pick.
Our offense has scored an absurd amount of points this year. but here's the part I like.
The Vikes are 3-5
The Browns are 5-3.
Theres no way at all that we made the wrong pick. Joe Thomas was perfect. Even better, if we can get a 1st for DA at the end of the year, if it indeed comes to that, then and THEN we can get our RB that can dominate the league.
Plus, what if Michael Turner or Marion Barber III are available. oooh
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Man, some people want to try to start a controversy where one is not even being thought of.
Joe Thomas 100 out of 100 times.
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To paraphrase Phil after the draft...
We have tried to serve apple pie for dinner for far too long. It was time to serve Meat & Potatoes.
AP = Apple Pie
Joe Thomas = Meat & Potatoes
More like steak and eggs with Champaign if you ask me 
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#GMSTRONG
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One other quick note: Adrian Peterson scored 3 TDs yesterday. Jamal Lewis scored 4... thanks to our o-line.
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LT's are much harder to find then RB's.....not only that but their careers are usually twice as long. If you have a player that can anchor an offensive line for the next 12 years, getting a RB becomes that much easier. The better your line is, the more effective ANYONE can be running and throwing behind it. While Peterson is running well, he's NOT doing it on a team with a poor offensive line. He's getting all the credit but I think guys like Steve Hutchinson just ,ight have a little bit to do with it as well. Also, if we can get LCB back at even 90% this line is going to be DEVASTATING . Add in the fact that Michael Turner is an UFA and we can get a game-breaking RB elsewhere. You're NEVER going to find a top-shelf LT available via trade or free agency......RB's are always hitting the market.
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Controversy, controversy. Here we go. This question will undoubtedly be lingering around for a few years in Cleveland.
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I think it's pretty simple ... Minny already had a McKinney at LT, and we didn't. You get the line first and then get the stuff to go behind it afterwards. In two years, we can draft the next big stud running back because we already have a line in place. By then, AP might be as washed up as Shaun Alexander is now. 
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Maybe we should ask DA who is the better pick..I'm pretty sure he'd pick Joe not only because he's his teammate, but mostly because without JT he'd be sucking his food thru a straw, like charlie did last year To me Joe Thomas is the rookie of the year along with being a Pro Bowl LT....Hands down...on brainer.....nobdy can say or prove to me any other wise I watch the line more than any other postion during the games and I've seen JT dominate players, blow players of the line, control thier pass rush and open holes GM & I could drive a beer truck thru....I ant seen a LT like JT in years....Best pick last year.....Heck Best darn pick in 30 years 
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Isn't it nice to aske these questions from a winning perspective...))) JT was the best pick for the Browns... over AP and BQ
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The question being: Should the Browns have drafted Adrian Peterson instead of Joe Thomas?
..NO,...JT was undoubtedly the best pick for us in this draft.
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I think a lot of the young guys on here have learned the importance of having quality players on the O-line. Take Sunday for example, 48 passes--- no sacks and time to check off to other receivers. But if the draft was tomorrow we'd probably hear" good linemen can be had later in the Draft."
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good linemen can be had later in the Draft."
Which is true.....But like you said...If ya wanna pass 48 times and have no sacks ya better draft great lineman and we did at # 3....
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WTF THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY...
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Do people honestly not realize the effect a good line has on running backs and quarterbacks and receivers?
You take Joe Thomas away from this team and we suck because our QB gets sacked...
Peterson is running behind 3 of the best linemen in the league...
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RB's have a shorter shelf life than OT's. I love Peterson, but he's running behind a great run blocking line...
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Next year at the begining of the season, Ben Gay could run behind this line....
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WTF THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY...
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Do people honestly not realize the effect a good line has on running backs and quarterbacks and receivers?
You take Joe Thomas away from this team and we suck because our QB gets sacked...
Peterson is running behind 3 of the best linemen in the league...
I agree... kind of goes hand & hand...
Teams know that Derek Anderson is a pretty good pocket QB with a cannon of an arm, and he WILL get rid of the ball... that alone changes defenses game plan..
Same thing for Joe Thomas... the guy already has gotten the respect on that left side. Teams may blitz that side, but don't blitz as hard as they would someone else... i.e. Kevin Shaffer.. lol
We made the right draft pick... OBVIOUS!!
Lewis may not get another 200 yard game, but after watching yesterdays game, Lewis scored when we need him the most.. and thats in GOALLINE situations..
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No controversy here. No doubt JT was the correct pick. When I read the title of the thread, I thought it was going to question the pick of Quinn. Due to Anderson's new found success. But no doubt his success is due to the right linemen being in front of him. And that begins on the left side.
One reason why Adrian Peterson is having such a great year is due to the lack of QB that the Vikes have. All day yesterday the Bolts put 8 men in the box. Once Peterson, got past the first level he just had to beat a safety. He'll win that race every time. I saw him run right at Shawn Merriman yesterday and out run him to the outside. Merriman never even laid a hand on him. No doubt that 'AD' (all day) is a great back, but when you have no passing game, that's what you do is feed him the ball.
On the other side, I've had a multitude of Vikes fans tell me they would gladly give the Browns their 1st and 3rd rounders next year for Anderson. (Too bad they are not the GM of the Vikes.) The price a team would pay for an RFA with a matched tender offer.
Sorry, but your controversy is nothing but an illusion.
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WTF THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY...
The question was meant to be rhetorical in nature. Also, along the lines of supposition; if where Adrian Peterson becomes one of the greatest RBs in time; this question among some Brown fans may become a hot topic. I guess if this was posted on the Vikings web site forum, it would probably have the same effect. Want to bet?
As I stated in my post, I agree 100% with what Phil Savage, GM decided to do.
And, down the line, it will manifest itself in many favorable ways for our team. 
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Lewis may not get another 200 yard game, but after watching yesterdays game, Lewis scored when we need him the most.. and thats in GOALLINE situations..
I dont know the stats, Becuase stats are for losers......  , but didnt Lewis have more rushing TD in yesterdays game than we had all last year...
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Should the Browns have drafted Adrian Peterson instead of Joe Thomas?
Hell no.... and it ain't even close. Joe Thomas was by FAR the right pick and the question itself isn't even a valid one. Just like the fact that it was pointless to consider a QB until the line was fixed, so goes taking a RB.
Folks need to stop getting all caught up in the shiny stats and take a look at how much better our TEAM is with a real offensive line.
FACT: Drafting Joe Thomas addressed TWO positions (left AND right tackle) instead of just one.
FACT: Drafting Peterson means Shaffer is our left tackle, and some stiff is our right tackle while Tucker is suspended for steroids.
While this question may apply for other teams, for the Browns SPECIFICALLY (which IS the authors question), Thomas was the right guy, and it's not close.
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