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Do people honestly not realize the effect a good line has on running backs and quarterbacks and receivers?
Yeah, we know,, Mitchell doesn't get it,, why else would he/she put up a thread like this.... Then he disappears..... wonder why? 
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what question we SHOULD be asking is how much of a controversy should there be in the cities that took Calvin Johnson, Gaines Adams, and Laron Landry ahead of AD-AP...
Browns fans are born with it...
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Absolutely.
I can't believe after all of the bad football we've watched we still find a way to bite a piece of gold.
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What if we had AP running behind Joe. 
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What if we had AP running behind Joe.
We'd be just like the Vikes with AP running behind Mount Mckinney....LOL
Just kidding, that would have been just fine with me.
I mean seriously,, all you had to do is see the tapes on AP to know that he was special.. more so than most any other back that's come out in the last 10+ years... But those darn nagging injuries were the worrisome part to me...
I don't blame us for passing and anyway, look how JT is playing for us this year.. WE did just fine with JT.... Better than fine really
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my question is this...
Why did Lennie Friedman back up McKinney and not Isaac Sowells? Is he progressing @ the guard spot or not?
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I gotta tell you guys...I totally misunderstood the direction this question was going.
I didn't think it was being asked about Thomas versus Peterson but rather I was afraid he was asking if we wasted a draft pick on BQ when DA has played lights out this season.
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With the way the Browns are playing right now, there is no question that Joe Thomas was the right pick. AP is a great running back and I wish him the best, but, don't forget, AP is injury prone.
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WTF THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY...
The question was meant to be rhetorical in nature. Also, along the lines of supposition; if where Adrian Peterson becomes one of the greatest RBs in time; this question among some Brown fans may become a hot topic. I guess if this was posted on the Vikings web site forum, it would probably have the same effect. Want to bet?
As I stated in my post, I agree 100% with what Phil Savage, GM decided to do.
And, down the line, it will manifest itself in many favorable ways for our team. 
People who look for flash and not substance may debate it. People who know the game and our situation won't IMO.
JT was not only our greatest need,but possibly the BEST LT to come out in close to a decade. He is the answer to our prayers! AP has played one half of one season without the injury bug. Let's let time and punishment take its tole before we discuss inducting AP into the HOF.
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What if we had AP running behind Joe.
Yeah, and what if I just hit the frickin' Lotto!??
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I think with AP and no JT (bumping Shaffer over to RT) we'd have an electrifying runner but probably something like 10pts fewer a game, a record closer to the Vikes 3-5 and everybody saying "just wait until next year!"
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Controversy, controversy. Here we go. This question will undoubtedly be lingering around for a few years in Cleveland.
I don't think so.
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Do people honestly not realize the effect a good line has on running backs and quarterbacks and receivers?
Yeah, we know,, Mitchell doesn't get it,, why else would he/she put up a thread like this.... Then he disappears..... wonder why?
Maybe it's because he tried questioning whether there were any twinges of regret in drafting a solid LT versus a guy with 1036 yards, 6.6 YPC, 8 TDs, 206 yards 2 TDs in EIGHT GAMES AS A ROOKIE (half of which he's started) and he's getting flamed for it.
I know we're all happy with Thomas and the fact that he's stabilized our line, (and I'm sure the Vikings will say the same thing about AD) but the fact that no one is even willing to consider a hypothetical question about the most explosive rookie in... who knows how long... that's just a bit crazy IMO.
This may be the o-line fanatic board, but you all are giving him absolutely no mercy just for ASKING a question that in reality is something to at least consider (and is already being asked by the national media), even if you already know your answer to it. This thread could've gone the direction of "Peterson may have good stats, but this is what I think Thomas brings to the table that's better than one person's stats" but instead it's gone down the path of "You have no clue what you're talking about, stop talking" and probably chased him away from his own thread, despite the fact that his conclusion AGREED with you all.
Frankly, it's pretty embarrassing. 
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This is about as big a no-brainer as you can get.
After 7 years of neglecting, patching and band-aiding the OL, we finally found ourselves in the position to solidify a basic element of winning football... winning in the trenches. Without Joe Thomas, this line would still have been improved over last year's, but let's get real here- adding JT (and Steinbach) has added about 17 points to our ppg average.
And he's a rookie. He's only going to get better as time goes on. Franchise LT's are golden in this league. They more than pay for themselves in protection for your QB and overall offensive production. And they last a long time. RB's have much shorter shelf lives.
By signing JT, we not only turned a perennially weak position into one which requires no further attention until contract time, but we also ensured better performance out of any and every skill position player who shares the field with him.
I don't care if AD runs for 2 miles worth of yardage & 8 TD's in a game... JT makes our entire team better for the next 10 years.
Money in the bank.
No-brainer- like I said.
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p.s. Peterson is a rare and special talent. He will be a blast to watch during his career, and will no doubt set/break many records, health permitting. All said, he'd be a great pick for the Browns, but he wasn't the best pick for the Browns. The best pick was made properly by Phil.
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Do people honestly not realize the effect a good line has on running backs and quarterbacks and receivers?
Yeah, we know,, Mitchell doesn't get it,, why else would he/she put up a thread like this.... Then he disappears..... wonder why?
Maybe it's because he tried questioning whether there were any twinges of regret in drafting a solid LT versus a guy with 1036 yards, 6.6 YPC, 8 TDs, 206 yards 2 TDs in EIGHT GAMES AS A ROOKIE (half of which he's started) and he's getting flamed for it.
I know we're all happy with Thomas and the fact that he's stabilized our line, (and I'm sure the Vikings will say the same thing about AD) but the fact that no one is even willing to consider a hypothetical question about the most explosive rookie in... who knows how long... that's just a bit crazy IMO.
This may be the o-line fanatic board, but you all are giving him absolutely no mercy just for ASKING a question that in reality is something to at least consider (and is already being asked by the national media), even if you already know your answer to it. This thread could've gone the direction of "Peterson may have good stats, but this is what I think Thomas brings to the table that's better than one person's stats" but instead it's gone down the path of "You have no clue what you're talking about, stop talking" and probably chased him away from his own thread, despite the fact that his conclusion AGREED with you all.
Frankly, it's pretty embarrassing.
I kind of agree. Not every poster may have read his entire post carefully but even so, if a veteran started this thread, there'd be more leeway from the peanut gallery.
And I'm glad we have JT. 
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Count me as agreeing with Spectre at this point too.. I see nothing wrong with discussing the question at all.
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If we're looking to beat ourselves up, we should have drafted LT instead of Big Waste of money. 
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Controversy, controversy. Here we go. This question will undoubtedly be lingering around for a few years in Cleveland.
No controversy at all JT was the correct, and the BEST pick. Case closed
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J/C GM. When Viking fans ask me, how could the Browns pass on Adrian Peterson. I just tell them, I'd rather be 5-3 than 3-5. 
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To be honest the only thing that ticks me off when I think about it is that we could (AND SHOULD) have drafted Marcus McNeil (The guy I wanted in round 2 ) last year, the dude played at a pro bowl level with messed up arms... D'Qwell is good, but man we could have gotten our stud LT last year and AD this year... If we would have even been picking that high with a stud LT... Anyways, Joe Thomas is the man, all should acknowledge that without him we would be garbage.
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If we're looking to beat ourselves up, we should have drafted LT instead of Big Waste of money.
Seymour didn't sound bad either..
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AP on the field is a great talent...excellent RB.
1. He is playing for probably the best run blocking team right now in the NFL. Amazing holes for him (no vision necessary) in that 2nd half combined with APs speed - hardly a hand was laid on him in a lot of those runs.
2. He has not been used as the primary back...he's been in a rotation with Taylor. Soon defenses will be game planning on stopping him. When he does this consistently and is dominating still then I will class him with Jim Brown and Walter Payton.
3. Coincidently APs best season in his college career was as a Freshman - now he's tearing it up so far as a rookie. Again what happens when teams gear up to stop him...he wore down in college, what will happen as a Pro? Still to come.
Joe T vs. AP
we're 5-3 n they are 3-5 in a weaker Division and Conference and they have a better Defense than us.
AP would have been good (as long as he stays healthy) I'm sure but I don't see him creating the attack that we have now and doing what he's doing against run D's like the Steelers or Ravens that we have to face Four times a year. Joe T has been the #1 reason on our improved OL protection. Without that protection DA probably would be a dud as he has no mobility skills and couldn't stand in the pocket and check down the way he is doing now.
We made the right pick...now if you are talking about BE or Shawne Merriman thats a different story 
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IMO there is no debate... this team needed OL and JT was it... he is going to be an all-pro for years to come. I'm still not convinced that AP will be durable...
I know AP has shown that he is a one of a kind runner (so far) but he would not have done half as well behind our line without the improvements that we have made.
You can link the vast improvement to the offense with the vast improvement of the OL... and I thought I heard that the Browns have one of the leading yards per carry when running behind the left side of the line....
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JT proves he was the right pick Every Single Game!!!! JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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