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I assume you have seen the Super Bowl entertainment for 22. Snoop dogg and two other names. Read the lyrics to their music and tell it is it the height of hypocrisy to entertain these misogynistic woman insulting “musicians” and give them the nfl stamp of approval while disassociating from gruden. Two faced phonies

The NFL is not hiring Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg to run one of their billion dollar franchises. They are hiring them to perform songs.

The are hiring them to represent them on their biggest stage. Do you really not see the hypocrisy there?

We have such a weak fragile society. But he said bad words!

So apparently you are ok with degrading women as hoes, blasting the n word frequently and using disparaging gay references. Good to know where your values lie.

I do not. It is two totally different things.

Someone in the league had it out for him. My guess is they were trying to distract from any questions about the WFT investigation. Employees sharing topless pictures of cheerleaders is way worse than anything Gruden did and no one is talking about it.

What does that mean?

Does it mean we have the right to be rude jackasses?

Does that mean we can emulate those that would lie to us and it would be OK?

What's it mean?

I don't think it's a "standard on this board" thing. I think we're going through an era in society where everybody feels some silly need to be galvanized to some point of view and pick sides, when most of these issues have plenty of middle ground.

Example: reading through my FB feed, post after post either talking about him like he's some scum of the earth murderer or some victim... he's neither.

People use this incident as a springboard to talk about the ridiculousness of "cancel culture" because "Gruden" is what all the talking heads are flooding the news cycle with.

Pick sides / scream in each other's faces / rinse / repeat

We've been doing this crap over nearly every "issue" since the advent of social media.

It doesn't take much to peel back a layer and understand that Gruden's bs has nothing to do with cancel culture. It would be different if it was one email, one subject of his idiocy, one example that he could shake off and say "I was an a-hole, that's not how I feel", etc, etc...

This was years of emails disparaging many walks of life, individually and collectively.

I could give an f about Jon Gruden. More than anything, I'm shocked at how stupid he is.

But there is a bigger picture here... And this is where people of color, gays, women, any group that is a subject of this latest situation are trying to make their voices heard above the "screaming in faces". If this is going on with Gruden on a bunch of other "good ole boys" in the NFL, how far does it go? It's not just the seven years of emails sent... it's the seven years of emails received, laughed at, responded to.

Meanwhile the NFL constantly makes excuses for why POC can't get upper-tier administrative jobs in it's league. Yet they'll be the first in line to roll out a new banner or slogan about how they're trying so hard.

Wash / rinse / repeat.

Jc

Question for the board:

Wasn’t the emails getting leaked a product of the criminal probe into the Washington football team? These emails got leaked due to Bruce Allen being employed there at the time of these emails?

Seems like there’s gonna be something much bigger dropping soon.

As far as Gruden goes, y’all know what he said is wrong. As Portland said; people trying to talk about the constitution don’t understand how it works.

Also, this goes way beyond saying bigoted nonsense. He’s the HC of a football team, in a league where the majority of players are black, and he has a gay player on the team.

The nfl is a private business, and his right to say what he wants doesn’t protect him from the consequences of the business he works for. Last time I checked, that was the very argument a lot of you on this very board made when it came to kaepernick: NFL policy and conduct. The only thing I had-have to say about the Kaepernick situation is the Man has a right to pray. And 2ndly don't be so gung ho military parade to start a football game, just play football.

And guess what, he’s out the league cause teams shunned him out.

But all of a sudden, the same people are now defending gruden for…. ?

All I ever ask on this board: what’s the standard?

If you had a black boss, and you and the other employees found out that he calls you guys all kinds of crackers and other bigoted insults behind your back, you honestly think you’ll be cool still looking at him as a leader?

Every player on that team would always wonder what gruden says about them if they make a bad play. Nassib would now wonder whether or not his HC is calling him a gay slur every time he missed a tackle.

Would any of you on this board honestly say you would play for somebody like that, regardless of who he/she is and what they look like? Strange

So it's ok for white people to take a last place in line because they aren't "people of color" The Rooney Rule in the NFL is racist and it's 7 years old.
Until you start standing up against the absolute idiocy of giving people privelages because of the color of their skin, no one should take any of your points seriously.

You understand the Rooney rule puts white people last.

The numbers don't change what the rule actually is.

The NFL is not hiring Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg to run one of their billion dollar franchises. They are hiring them to perform songs.

A man should not have to bow to another man because of the color of his skin.

Jc

Question for the board:

Wasn’t the emails getting leaked a product of the criminal probe into the Washington football team? These emails got leaked due to Bruce Allen being employed there at the time of these emails?

Seems like there’s gonna be something much bigger dropping soon.

As far as Gruden goes, y’all know what he said is wrong. As Portland said; people trying to talk about the constitution don’t understand how it works.

Also, this goes way beyond saying bigoted nonsense. He’s the HC of a football team, in a league where the majority of players are black, and he has a gay player on the team.

I's optics, marketing and damage limitation. We won't know the full story (which was actually about a massive investigation into the WFT and Dan Synder) .... they won't reveal or release anything that would expose (probably) how rampant this is.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3238...m-investigation

"It is truly outrageous that after the NFL's 10-month investigation involving hundreds of witnesses and 650,000 documents related to the longtime culture of harassment and abuse at the Washington Football Team, the only person to be held accountable and lose their job is the coach of the Las Vegas Raiders," lawyers Lisa Banks and Debra Katz said in a statement. "If the NFL felt it appropriate to release these offensive emails from Jon Gruden, which it obtained during its investigation into the Washington Football Team, it must also release the findings related to the actual target of that investigation. Our clients and the public at large deserve transparency and accountability. If not, the NFL and [commissioner] Roger Goodell must explain why they appear intent on protecting the Washington Football Team and owner Dan Snyder at all costs."

It's this sort of manipulation and lack of transparency that makes me think that possibly Refs and the entire NFL "entertainment business" (which is legally how the NFL defines itself) is run with an agenda and certain aspects are fixed and crocked as could be.

So you don't believe that a corporation has the right to consider what one of their employees does, that creates a huge negative impact on their corporate image should have the right to act accordingly? Let's face it, Gruden didn't resign out of the goodness of his heart. And what is there really to investigate? Gruden hasn't denied any of it.