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Yes I'm gladly eating crow here and I might not go into as much detail as I'd like to since it's late. Although a lot of credit has to go to Savage for getting the team leaders in free agency and the draft, a team always takes on the personality of its coach (although in Cinci, I'm not so sure about that...).
I look at Baltimore under egomaniac Brian Billick, and their team is full of egomaniacs as well. Savage came from Baltimore, but isn't going out picking guys with those Baltimore-esque personalities.
I don't care how their record makes them look less than bad...they're cracking at the seams. You have a head coach thinking he's a genius, and a defensive player who thinks he's a head coach, bossing around the offense.
Looking at Cinci, a lot of it might have to do with Mike Brown overriding Marvin Lewis on the character players debate, but the inmates are running the asylum over there. They're arguing with one another and can't keep digging for answers, listen to Carson Palmer, you can tell he's given up.
Looking at Philly...they're a good team, and they have a good coach. But it's painfully obvious that Andy Reid is being distracted by his sons' issues. The team is cracking at the seams.
Looking at the Cowboys, they're playing loose under a coach who wants them to play loose. It's the same talent, but they don't feel as tightly wound this year as they did previous years, and so far the results have been fantastic.
Tom Coughlin has loosened up and the Giants are better off for it.
Norv Turner...inherited one of the most talented teams in the NFL...and it's obvious they don't come to play every week. They clearly overlooked the Vikings. Add in the Bengalesque personalities on that team and you have a talented team showing signs of cracking.
I could go on but I'm tired and have a long day tomorrow.
I know last year was a complete disaster, I know Braylon Edwards had his moments in the media, I know Winslow was begging for balls to be thrown to him. Maybe it's revisionist history but I don't remember that much internal fighting with us last year, despite playing such rotten ball last year.
I think we're finally, FINALLY starting to see a team with Romeo's fingerprint on it. We have defensive flaws and Romeo's a defensive guy, but the fingerprint of a bunch of guys, some formerly me-first and egotistical, playing together as a TEAM is a beautiful sight, even if the offense is the one doing most of the work. (and hey, the D has made critical stops this year)
Then listening to Romeo...yes, the same Romeo I dissected for throwing his players under the bus, in the victory speeches and press conferences the day after a win you can tell he keeps the team grounded, that we haven't proven anything yet even though so far we've been the Greatest Show on Natural Grass this year. We're 5-3, we're believing, but you get this feeling that he knows we can achieve more and get more out of ourselves in the coming weeks. It's the Belichick "humble pie" principle with Romeo's grandfatherish touch.
Maybe it's the 3 in a row thing that has me and the optimism going into this weekend's battle, but I feel really good about where we stand with our head coach right now, and I hope he's teaching our hopeful head coach in waiting when Romeo leaves on his own terms (Chud) these same principles as well.
I'm glad I'm just a 20 year old internet hack who hasn't seen before how a real football team is supposed to be built and not a PD writer who's been around (*cough* Grossi *cough*), otherwise I'd have a real egg on my face right now.
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Oh, man... Sometimes, it just all falls into place for ya. Tonight was one of those times. I just finished posting on another board, and thought I'd pop into this thread before heading to bed. The thread that I responded to over there was entitled: "Romeo- is He Really That Good?" In my response, I cut/pasted part of a response I made in a thread here at Dawgtalkers. Now, I get to use the rest of my post over here. As George Peppard (Hannibal Smith) used to say on all those old A-Team re-runs: "I love it when a plan comes together." Quote:
It's nice to see that someone else looked at this topic through the same lens I've been using. I was blasted many times last year by fans who thought I was nuts regarding my take on Romeo. My biggest fear was that this team/administration/fanbase would be too impatient to see what RACrennel was building here... and would jettison him before they could see what we're seeing now.
This team is coming into it's own- right before our eyes... and a good share of this "new-found" success is due to the guidance and leadership of the Head Coach- dating back two years. With the exception of a number of players that you can count on the fingers of one hand, this is the same team that went 4-12 last year. Granted, the exceptions (Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, Eric Wright) have been exceptional, but let's remember that the locker room culture is defined by the Head Coach.
He's the one they see every day.
He's the one they answer to daily.
He's the one they get their weekly marching orders from.
He's the one admonishing them after a loss like Week One, and encouraging them after a win like yesterday's.
Don't get me wrong- Romeo isn't without his flaws, but neither is any other NFL HC. What's important to me is this: the areas that might be RAC's weak points can be offset by his many strong points.
We're starting to see it in the overall play of our team. The man is instilling a culture in his locker room... and that takes time to establish. It also leads to wins over time. The old precepts of team football still form the foundation of winning franchises.Time has now passed... and you can start to see his imprint on the team's personna- including brash, outspoken "nu skool playas" like K2 and Bray. Players are more focused, team-oriented and professional. In pressers, they stress their roles instead of themselves. And on the field, they've started to pick up the flag when their fellow soldiers start to stumble.
A man will only do that for his fellow man if he's bought into the culture that binds him to his fellow man. On a football team, the man who instills that culture is the Head Coach.
I remember back in offseason 2004, when I reviewed the list of HC front-runners.
I remember thinking: "we need someone calm, cool & collected... preferably Olde-Schoole... someone with NFL experience- no more flashy college coaches.... someone the opposite of Butch!"
I remember being ecstatic upon hearing that Randy was going to give Romeo his shot.
I also remember being pilloried by other Dawgs when I held firm during the really hard times.
I still have no crystal ball other than my intuition about Human Nature and my limited knowlege of the NFL, but I'm going to make a prediction here: I think that Romeo Crennel will be the Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns when they play in their first Super Bowl.
And the best thing about instilling a culture- it lives beyond an individual's personal tenure with the team. Whether Romeo leads us to glory or not, he's re-established the principles that made this team a winner in the past. Players a generation from now will draw upon the strength of the institution which adopted them, and seek to uphold the standards that are now being set... and it's happening right here, right now- before our very eyes. We're seeing a New Era dynasty being built here folks, trust me.
Romeo is good for Cleveland Browns Football. He's the kind of guy who has been missing since 1996, even before.
His kind we need more of- not less.
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I've never lost faith in Romeo, even when things looked bleak. I'm still solidly behind him. All minuteae aside, I think he's the right man for this team at the right time.
Let the flaming begin.
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p.s. Mods: I hope I didn't violate any posting rules with this one... but the irony was just too good to ignore-
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Ammo I hear crow tastes best with hot sauce. Also I am not sure what all the other parts of your post were all about, when the topic was RAC, but OK to that, I guess !!! It’s nice to see the fans admit they were wrong when it comes to RAC.  I was given a permanent ban from the Browns board for getting crazy with fans on that board over sticking up for RAC, so I get to say I told you so. Better talent makes for better coaching that should be clear to everybody by now. I sure hope that the fan base takes note of what works so in the future we can all agree when it comes to some basic principles. I think debate is good and important to be sure, but some basic’s need to always be applied. Better talent being #1, to a winning coach. #2 player effort. If the players who play for a coach give a solid effort, then you can’t find fault with the coach. The talent may not be there, but the effort is, key to a good coach IMHO. I have only seen the Browns lay down one time since RAC came here, against Cincy last year, I was afraid that RAC had lost the team, but he bounced back the following week The players respect RAC, also a key. RAC has been oft times criticized for not making adjustments at the half, another false statement. We can now say factually that RAC does in fact make sound half time adjustments, given what we have seen the past 2 weeks on the defensive side of the ball. I saw as most of you did RAC talking to the players on the sidelines in the Rams game, and based on the performance I saw going forward it did indeed have a positive effect. I can’t help but to go back to a comment that Braylon made back in preseason. I don’t remember what had come up but I remember this comment clearly. He said when this happened I thought about all the things that RAC had talked to me about, and I knew what I needed to do. That is a player that respects his coach, and will lay it on the line for that coach. Can’t ask for much more then that. Clem, I don’t always agree with your posts, but I CANNOT find fault with this one. Well SAID. I agree 1000%. I’ll make you a bet though the minute the Browns lose or the moment when we play our last game, be it regular, or playoff, bet your last dollar fans will be calling for RACs head once again. It’s what they do when they don’t get their way.  To Grossi’s credit finally he has gotten behind the Browns, FINALLY, he has taken the first bite of the Crow. I have NEVER liked Tony, I continue to think and believe he is the #1 reason we have failed to this point in time. Instead of imploring the fan base to support and encourage, as this team gets better, he just sits at the wheel of the bus with the engine running waiting to run over everyone, without a sliver of an idea of what it actually takes to turn the corner, and right the ship. He has done more to insight fan unrest then anybody I can think of, and for that I have NO RESPECT for him what-so-ever, and never will. And let me add this, if it had been up to Tony RAC would already be gone, and that would have been a huge mistake. Let that be a further lesson to all, Grossi is an idiot when it comes to football, his opinion is based on what ?? I always like to ask this question when I see posters and the media go to far, what are your qualifications. Tony’s are he watches the games, and he has a column he writes for the PD. Wow I think we should take his opinion over everybody elses, NOT !! JMHO
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RAC has been oft times criticized for not making adjustments at the half, another false statement. We can now say factually that RAC does in fact make sound half time adjustments, given what we have seen the past 2 weeks on the defensive side of the ball.
Does he? Rushing 3 pretty much let the Seahawks move down the field on us during the second half. Did they adjust? Was it RAC? Was it Grantham? I also question the wisdom to challenge the Winslow play which we clearly not a call that they could overturn. Was that RAC? Was it the coaches upstairs? Hard to tell, but in the end it's his call. Regardless, we'd punched it in virtually every time, so wasting a TO at that point could...COULD...have been used if the 'Hawks moved down the field.
RAC was teetering right on the edge, RIGHT on the edge. He looks good now compared to Lewis and Billick, hehe. However, it's way too early to say that people were wrong about RAC. He has to continue to improve, as he'd made plenty of mistakes over the last two seasons. The players play for him and respect him, and that's a good thing, but we're winning games because of Chud's offense, not RAC's defense.
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I know what I'm about to say is completely unfair.. There are posters on here who've been around the block a couple of times and seen a number of things and those guys don't play video games... But to me, the "FIRE ROMEO" or the "ROMEO MUST GO" thinking all stems from a "I WANT IT NOW" video game mentality. (like I said, that doesn't fit all of those that wanted RAC gone, but most) It's frustrating for me to see fans just go nuts over a player that makes one good play, or hate on a player that makes one bad one (look at the thread on Phil Dawson to see what I mean there). To me, it's the same thing with RAC. Some fans were ready to throw him out at the close of the Pittsburgh game... Saying the craziest things like,, hey, he's had 3 years (really two, but you know how haters like to build up thier cases) He hasn't gotten it done yet.. what makes you think he's gonna get it done now? That was the big argument to fire RAC... The other argument centered on Stats for the team,,,, My argument then was that he may have been here (now starting his 3rd season) for 3 years, but the players he has now weren't here. In fact, I think the number at the beginning of the season was only 6 guys from the Davis era remained on the team... My question to them was, what's that tell you about what Phil and RAC inherited as a team and for that matter as an organization.. I guess those that wanted RAC fired decided that he should magically take the garbage that Davis left here and turn it into a team... Yeah, as if that could happen.. After the Pittsburgh game I urged them to be patient... I told them then and I believed it, that we need to give RAC more time. We need to see how this shakes out and then if he didn't work, I'd jump on the band wagon to fire RAC also... I'd eat crow if I needed to and picket outside Browns HQ with a sign that says that RAC must go... Obviously, it worked out better for the team, the Players, the Fans and RAC that the team has seemed to catch on.. I won't make fun of those that wanted RAC gone... But I will say that when I told all you guys that firing RAC was a Knee Jerk Reaction,,, I was right..... I am happy to see that some of you have come around, Ammo,, Peen.. Opinions are meant to change with new info and data. As we receive more input with which to make decisions, our thinking changes... That's as it should be (do I have that right Peen?). How's the crow Ammo?  Oh and  Just kidding with you all.....LOL
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I also question the wisdom to challenge the Winslow play which we clearly not a call that they could overturn. Was that RAC? Was it the coaches upstairs? Hard to tell, but in the end it's his call.
That's completely unfair Toad... Hindsight is always 20/20 vision. RAC doesn't have the means to tell if it's in or out, you know he has to rely on the guys in the booth..
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I really enjoy seeing posts like this, because for one, I have always liked Romeo as our head coach..
only thing though.. everyone is not going to like him... for whatever "legitimate" reason they have, something will be said in a negative way.. It's a shame that even in the good times someone always will be bashed, whether its Romeo, Andra Davis, Derek Anderson, Leigh Bodden, etc.
As long as this team continues to play as a team.. I will be happy.
There are 8 more games to go. EIGHT!! The guys that always get bashed on this site will CONTINUE to be key contributors, and the Browns will get a chance to reach the post-season.
GO BROWNS!!
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Winning doesn't make Romeo a good coach.
It just makes him safe. And as long as we win, Romeo gets to go along for the ride.....and I have no problem with that.
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It's clear you don't get the idea that better talent makes for better coaches. I understand that much. I don't expect perfection from anyone, myself, and you included. What I expect is that when it becomes clear that something isn't working that we make a change. To that end I hope you realize that not all change gets instant results, sometimes it takes sticking to what you know. You state rushing only 3 guys nearly cost us the game in the 2nd half well FYI we didn't give up ANY TD's in the 2nd half, and that fact is what ultimately won the game for us. I realize you forgot that little fact so I thought it would be nice for me to point it out to you.
I find the 3 man rush and dropping everyone into coverage hard to watch too, but you can't argue with the idea that it worked, after all we won didn't we? And we did try to rush more then 3 in the 1st half and didn't get any presure. In other words it didn't work. And hey so RAC, backed off rushing only 3 and we won. You may look at that fact and think that it didn't work, but hey it did, again we won doing it didn't we, even if it was ugly to watch? Like it don't like it, it was what made the difference, and thats what I expect the coach to do, give us the best chance to win, and rushing 3 did exactly that! So was it a poor adjustment? If making a poor adjustment in your opinion leads to a W then I hope you come here every week and lay it on RAC hard while we continue to win!
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It just makes him safe. And as long as we win, Romeo gets to go along for the ride.....and I have no problem with that.
Oh for cryin out loud,,, will you get off it already Peen.,.,,, No matter what happens, you hate RAC.. and it shows..
If we are losing, you would feel vindicated because of your belief he's not a good coach, yet if we are winning,, you say it doesn't mean he's a good coach,,
Wake up and smell what your shoveling...
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You have to understand something, I'm not at all upset with Peen or Trickbunny,,, not at all,, There are actually only two posters here that I can't stand and both are on Ignore.. I would never Ignore Peen,,,, never in a million years,,, and I don't know Trick Bunny well enough to ignore him/her!...
So,, when I say stuff like that, picture them sitting in a bar with me and me saying it and then punching them in the arm or giving them a dutch rub on the head... Honestly, I know you can't tell, but I really am a good natured guy,,,,
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although in Cinci, I'm not so sure about that...).
actually, they are all injured and Marvin's been hobbling around on crutches
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One of the problems in Cinci is they have to many head cases. The locker room has to have cubicles for each and every group that thinks they know what the problem is. The problem is probably the parole officers waiting to give urine tests to the players every Monday to see who will get suspended next, or who has an illegal weapon and violate their probation. I think that team has REAL problems that go much deeper than Ocho Cinco.  .
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Make no mistake, I'm not declaring him the greatest coach in the NFL (not by a long shot, I still have my criticisms).
He's made his mistakes too (hiring Mo, for example and standing by him).
I don't know what his curse is with challenges, he can't win one.
But this year...maybe a lot of it is because of the team leaders, but you have a group of guys rallying around each other playing ball as a TEAM.
The Baltimore formula only works when you're winning, when you're losing (especially like how the Ravens lost last night) the results can get UGLY quick, ditto w/ Cinci. I refuse to think they're TRULY a 2-6 team, but the effort just isn't there. You don't have guys playing with the sheer will that the Browns do.
Now that we're winning, and we hear him keep saying "We're not done, stay focused, keep working, we have not arrived." (which is what any coach should be saying in the first place but he has us believing it...take a look at the Chargers, they believed they arrived...). That's a GREAT QUALITY to have especially down the stretch as it keeps us motivated and focused.
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Did they adjust? Was it RAC? Was it Grantham? I also question the wisdom to challenge the Winslow play which we clearly not a call that they could overturn. Was that RAC? Was it the coaches upstairs? Hard to tell, but in the end it's his call. Regardless, we'd punched it in virtually every time, so wasting a TO at that point could...COULD...have been used if the 'Hawks moved down the field.
After reading quotes and articles regarding schemes and players and what Rac has been quoted as saying it paints a good picture but still doesn't exactly tell EVERYTHING...
TG is running and calling the schemes..but I believe it when that one quote from a player exposed him...
"Our corners can cover, we have guys that can get to the quarterback... but when we are schemed out of the play, what can we do?
That says a lot...
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... " Shot " as you well know I'm not a RAC supporter ( understatement ? ) .. The talent on the field comes gift raped from Savage . The team wins because of the " O " ie " Chud " .. I will say I can see where the player love & respect him ( good deal ). I think he is getting better as a HC . ( there I said it , happy now ) Just finished my second cup of coffee . ... I still am totally confused my his ( seems to me ) lack of input on the " D " , Or Bellicheat was the man behind the NE. " D " all the time ???? How this defense can preform at a lower level than last years is amazing ... His & or Grantham's game planing is just God Awful ( opinion ) .. ...We have been lucky ( about dam time ) to say the least to get to 5-3 ( all because of the O & Chud ) what are the records of the teams we have beaten . Rams, Miami , Cin , .. Did you watch the Rats play last night . There is another team going down the tubes .. ... I am personally thrilled to death for the Team # 1 , and us , the fans & Cleveland . But no I am not sold on RAC. yet .. Me Bad 
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He's made his mistakes too (hiring Mo, for example and standing by him).
Picture this: Ammo and Daman sitting at a bar,,, Ammo says the above statement and Daman smacks him up side the head and says,,, For Cryin out loud, you make it sound as if he's never allowed to have made a mistake. Get over it already.. We didn't have the talent to win anyway when Mo was here so maybe it might have meant another win or two..... and then maybe we don't get Joe Thomas,,,, Sometimes it's as simple as we got lucky that MO didn't get fired sooner.....
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Once again, Daman and Ammo sitting at a bar,,, Ammo makes the above statement then ducks as he sees Damans hand begin to rise ... Daman says,,, you just can't give Romeo credit can you?
Could it be that Romeo took some of these guys aside and said,, You are the elder statesmen on this team,,, show it....
No,,, I guess if you basically hate RAC, then it's impossible to ever let go of that hatrid and move on... too bad,, your missing a great run with tons of fun...
JMO however...
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You have to understand something, I'm not at all upset with Peen or Trickbunny,,, not at all,, There are actually only two posters here that I can't stand and both are on Ignore.. I would never Ignore Peen,,,, never in a million years,,, and I don't know Trick Bunny well enough to ignore him/her!...
Well,it looks like you won't be reading THIS post!
I don't give RAC all of the credit. Let's face it, I'm pretty sure if Mo was still here, we wouldn't be 5-3.
So I give a lot of credit to Phil for the turnaround of our O.
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So,, when I say stuff like that, picture them sitting in a bar with me and me saying it and then punching them in the arm or giving them a dutch rub on the head... Honestly, I know you can't tell, but I really am a good natured guy,,,,
Our D sucks canal water and Chud was a Phil hire. So there you have it. RAC's along for the ride.
We are 5-3 though and that's something I didn't think could be accomplished with RAC at the helm. So I was most certainly wrong in that regard. But let's face it, RAC couldn't get our O to score 21 points consistantly to save his ass.
At least RAC has sat back and let Chud run the O. If that equates to being "a good head coach" then RAC certainly qualifies.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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He's made his mistakes too (hiring Mo, for example and standing by him).
Picture this: Ammo and Daman sitting at a bar,,, Ammo says the above statement and Daman smacks him up side the head and says,,, For Cryin out loud, you make it sound as if he's never allowed to have made a mistake. Get over it already.. We didn't have the talent to win anyway when Mo was here so maybe it might have meant another win or two..... and then maybe we don't get Joe Thomas,,,, Sometimes it's as simple as we got lucky that MO didn't get fired sooner.....
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But this year...maybe a lot of it is because of the team leaders, but you have a group of guys rallying around each other playing ball as a TEAM.
Once again, Daman and Ammo sitting at a bar,,, Ammo makes the above statement then ducks as he sees Damans hand begin to rise ... Daman says,,, you just can't give Romeo credit can you?
Could it be that Romeo took some of these guys aside and said,, You are the elder statesmen on this team,,, show it....
No,,, I guess if you basically hate RAC, then it's impossible to ever let go of that hatrid and move on... too bad,, your missing a great run with tons of fun...
JMO however...
So, I'm praising Romeo yet you STILL wanna slap me upside the head? Makes no sense...I in no way hate the guy. I was very critical earlier but wanted to see him succeed.
I wasn't crucifying him for his mistakes.
But on the flipside, Romeo could have done the same thing by pulling aside his leaders, but if those leaders didn't have the character, who says we would have come together?
Fortunately, Savage knows what Romeo wants/needs in players and he was able to get them, and look at the results. A true
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Yes, but Ammo, you didn't spend all day 100% kissing RAC's backside. So it's just not quite good enough.
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So while some are butt kissing and Daman has several on ignore U up to your hang Rac stuff again? Perhaps before U respond quickdraw, go read the defensive threads since you've been away and see what some of us have found out..and while U may want to point the gun at Rac..there's another thats equally responsible...
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I said before that this is a critical year for Crennel, and the pressure is still on. I give most of the credit to this teams success to Savage, good GM's don't build their teams around the head coach, they build it for talent in which they can develop in their system, remember, the GM dictates on what is best for his team, and that includes which coachs will benefit the team they are treated just as players are, the Head coach as well as the other coachs are held responsible as we have seen in the past, and rightfully so.
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So, I'm praising Romeo yet you STILL wanna slap me upside the head?
Yeah, but did I forget to mention that I also gave you two aspirins, an ice pack and a couple of Beers to ease the pain?
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As I posted earlier , win, loose, or draw ; The talent ON the field drops at the feet of Savage .. How it is used will end up at the HC and his CO's .. You have to give Savage and the " OC " an A for point's scored so far and a 5-3 record .. Now when it comes to the " D " .. Where do you drop the Hammer ? I really am not sure , and I mean that . 
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Go read the defense threads and it'll tell you what the problems ARE...
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The D's problems fall on the hands of Grantham in my book, but It also falls into the lap of Crennel since he oversee's the team on the field. One or the other or both will probably be gone after the season, and it will probably be Grantham since I think Savage is gonna give Crennel another year, and he'll have earned that, but the way we have regressed on the D side of the ball is pathetic.
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.. " but the way we have regressed on the D side of the ball is pathetic... " ... Yep and it still has me scratching my head ! 
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So let me see if I got this right...RAC gets NO credit for the offense because of Chud, but gets blame for the D because of Gratham?
you had a good run Hank.
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So let me see if I got this right...RAC gets NO credit for the offense because of Chud, but gets blame for the D because of Gratham?
Sounds like another poster in here who does the same thing doesn't it?
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The difference between Romeo and any other coach we have had is that he has players that want to play for him.
The difference between Romeo and any other coach we have had is that he has a coordinater that is probably the biggest reason to why we have been successful.
Very difficult situation, Chud is a Browns fan though so I hope he stays here or Lerner pays him like a Head Coach.
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I know what I'm about to say is completely unfair.. There are posters on here who've been around the block a couple of times and seen a number of things and those guys don't play video games...
But to me, the "FIRE ROMEO" or the "ROMEO MUST GO" thinking all stems from a "I WANT IT NOW" video game mentality. (like I said, that doesn't fit all of those that wanted RAC gone, but most)
It's frustrating for me to see fans just go nuts over a player that makes one good play, or hate on a player that makes one bad one (look at the thread on Phil Dawson to see what I mean there).
To me, it's the same thing with RAC. Some fans were ready to throw him out at the close of the Pittsburgh game... Saying the craziest things like,, hey, he's had 3 years (really two, but you know how haters like to build up thier cases) He hasn't gotten it done yet.. what makes you think he's gonna get it done now? That was the big argument to fire RAC...
Hey, I have been a fan for prob 25 years now and I love video games But, coming into a crap situation with crap players from a failed regime, it takes time. Now, after a few drafts, after getting a good staff, we are seeing the benefits. Like u said about video games, building a team isn't trading Charlie Frye for a 2nd rounder, skipping a season to the next years draft to build your team. Things take time when you have to build up pretty much from scratch, and 3 seasons aren't bad.
What none of us on this board can see everyday is what really goes on behind the scenes in Berea in the locker room, on the field. All we hear is scuttlebutt and theories about RAC. But, what we CAN see is for the first time since 1999 (IMO) is the Cleveland Browns all think as a TEAM, as one! And, again IMO, thats always a reflection on your leadership. And in this case RAC. Once your team believes in not only themselves but their leadership, you become a good team.
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Go read the defense threads and it'll tell you what the problems ARE...
See, that's the thing, I don't NEED to "read the defensive thread" to "see what you've figured out". Just because I wasn't "on the board" doesn't mean I haven't watched the games.
It's rather simple really. Our secondary is sucking canal water and we need further upgrades to the DL. Point being, we DID make very marginal upgrades and digressed at the same time. In case you haven't noticed,I watch the games and understand our deficincies. And I do it without orange tinted glasses.
Yes, you can pick that apart all you like,but the fact is, we upgraded slightly and went backwards.
I think RAC will get another year. And as long as he keeps his mouth shut and lets Chud run this O, with an influx of yet another great off season by Savage adding D talent, we should be even better next year.
I'm not on the "Let's fire RAC bandwagon" I think he's doing a fine job. He's learned his place, knows the pecking order ( once Phil hired Chud and sent Charlie packing ) and as long as he doesn't overstep his bounds, he'll do fine.
But look for Phil to bring in a QB guru to work with Quinn. Because unless he feels Chud can teach Quinn the finer points,which BTW, I don't see those qualifications in Chuds resume', he sure as hell knows RAC isn't the guy with that "QB guru" resume' either.
Phil brought in "his guy" to run the O. Phil will KEEP bringing in "his guys" untill the coaching staff suits him. As a "figure head" RAC will do quite well.
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First this isn't a black and white issue, there is alot of grey area in it, and some of which we don't know publicly. From what we do know, we can see that Chud was a Savage hire, and Grantham was a Crennel guy. Just like in real world business when mid level management hires a person, and sells that person to upper management, they give the go ahead, and boom that person is hired. Now if that person starts having job issues in the long run that reflexs on the mid level management as well as the person hired. I.E... Grantham.
When upper management hires a person directly and doesn't bother with discussing the move with mid level management, that person usually has a few benefits, others don't. I.E... Chud.
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First this isn't a black and white issue, there is alot of grey area in it, and some of which we don't know publicly. From what we do know, we can see that Chud was a Savage hire, and Grantham was a Crennel guy. . Just like in real world business when mid level management hires a person, and sells that person to upper management, they give the go ahead, and boom that person is hired. Now if that person starts having job issues in the long run that reflexs on the mid level management as well as the person hired. I.E... Grantham.
When upper management hires a person directly and doesn't bother with discussing the move with mid level management, that person usually has a few benefits, others don't. I.E... Chud.
Excuse me, but didn't they both agree on it? But of course people are going to say that Savage said "We are hiring Chud and you have to deal with it RAC". I think RAC has done a good job, and I think he gets not enough credit for the offense and too much blame on the defense.
So far people have been accepting that Chud is the biggest reason for the offense *I don't disagree at all* but that he was a Savage hire. I just can't see how a head coach isn't allowed to pick his own CO.
you had a good run Hank.
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So let me see if I got this right...RAC gets NO credit for the offense because of Chud, but gets blame for the D because of Gratham?
Sounds like another poster in here who does the same thing doesn't it?
Funny isn't it? RAC was the "defensive guru" DC and our O looks MUCH better after Chud was brought in by Phil,yet with "RAC's guy" and RAC (the DC guru) our D sucks canal water.
2+2=4
It's not quantom physics we're talking about here.
But it will be okay. Phil will bring in somebody to fix the D too. Just like he brought in Chud. And RAC can stand on the sidelines while you all say he's great.
But hey, as long as Phil keeps bringing in the right coaches to bail RAC out, I can deal with it.
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Phil also brought in Derek Anderson...
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So let me see if I got this right...RAC gets NO credit for the offense because of Chud, but gets blame for the D because of Gratham?
Sounds like another poster in here who does the same thing doesn't it?
Funny isn't it? RAC was the "defensive guru" DC and our O looks MUCH better after Chud was brought in by Phil,yet with "RAC's guy" and RAC (the DC guru) our D sucks canal water.
2+2=4
It's not quantom physics we're talking about here.
But it will be okay. Phil will bring in somebody to fix the D too. Just like he brought in Chud. And RAC can stand on the sidelines while you all say he's great.
But hey, as long as Phil keeps bringing in the right coaches to bail RAC out, I can deal with it.
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How do we know Gratham isn't a Savage hire eh Pitty boy? I mean Phil did give Gratham a contract extention.
It's almost like you are mad this team is doing well because RAC will be the head coach this year.
you had a good run Hank.
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