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When fat donny finally chokes on a chicken bone and falls dead on his kitchen floor. Until then they’re all too scared to have their own voice.

It's a crazy world in which we live.. Again I ask, when are the REAL republicans going to stand up and take their party back......

They're all gone. Most actual non-bigoted real conservatives are voting with dems due to the trumpian fascism in their own party. Just ask the guys on this board that voted R their whole lives but had to go dem over DJT.

I've been reading this board every day since before 2006...including the official message board. I've never seen you (OCD), Damon, dawglover05, or Hitt ever, ever make a positive post in defense of the conservative or the republican party. Despite continuous claims of such, it's not a believable statement IMHO!

Then you haven't paying attention.. Your bias is showing.. You only see what you want to see. Sorta like January 6th and the election results...

I was (and in my heart I still am) a republican. I have voted for more Republican presidents than Democrat.

I'd still be a republican is they weren't so caught up in the Trumpian craptokcrasy... Who the hell thinks it's OK to skirt the law and then protect him... who is dumb enough to do that. But it goes back a little further.

I loved John McCain. I felt he would have been a great President. But that damn fool picked a beauty queen Governor from Alaska as a running mate... She was Trump before Trump was Trump.. Just not quite as bad...

I voted twice for W.. And I was damned proud to do it. it wasn't until the end of his term that I felt as if he became a little toy for the Far Right.... (look around, they are every bit as bad as the far left)

Center Right and Center Left politicians are the ones I like..

Just because you don't remember me saying positive things about Republicans,, doesn't mean I haven't.. Like so many things around here, you got it wrong.

I abhor what the Republican party has become, especially during the last administration, which has segued into my dislike of political parties in general, especially a bicameral system. I have spoken on at length about how my ideals line more up with conservativism in its original sense.

I have also defended certain conservative ideals and politicians. If you say "ever make a positive post" then I guess you haven't been reading.

I mostly echo Daman's and DL's posts. Biden was the first D pres candidate I've ever voted for. Previously I voted mostly 3rd party, but was a big fan of McCain. The Republican party's (at least a vocal portion of it) attitude towards McCain when he was still around largely mirrors my attitude towards them.

Well said. Agree 100%

You have pretty much echoed my sentiments. I've had a great deal of respect for many republican candidates. At the top of that list is John McCain. To a lesser extent is Mitt Romney. While Colin Powell was not an elected politicians, I had a great deal of respect for him also. "I liked Ike!" Here in Tennessee I had a great deal of respect for our former Republican governor Bill Haslam.

The problem is that this far right extremist Trumpian idealism has taken over their party. The fringe has now become the main stream. The Democrats too have become far more liberal. At this point sadly it's boiled down to just trying to find a decent human being to vote for. I don't see that ever being anyone tied to the Trumpian way of politics.

Even Colin Powell woke up to what's going on with the Republican party. Even a life long republican like him endorsed Joe Biden.

Well said, bone, and I agree. I think he was just looking for opportunism. That is evidenced by how his ideals - abortion stance being one of them - shifted to the conservative side prior to his campaign. He had previously been on the record as saying "I am very pro choice." Not trying to make the discussion about the issue itself, but just how the shift on a wedge issue coincidentally happened before his run.

I'd be willing to bet, too, that the same people who adamantly support him now would have derided him if there was a D after his name. To be fair, the opposite of that dynamic could be true as well.

Well Powell was one of donny’s favorites. Here’s his eloquent words in response to hearing of Colin’s passing…

“Wonderful to see Colin Powell, who made big mistakes on Iraq and famously, so-called weapons of mass destruction, be treated in death so beautifully by the Fake News Media. Hope that happens to me someday. He was a classic RINO, if even that, always being the first to attack other Republicans. He made plenty of mistakes, but anyway, may he rest in peace!”


Such grace.


What a colossal douche donny constantly proves to be.

And this is the man leading in the polls among Republicans to be their next candidate for president.

Thanks Ya'll!

And they wonder why decent people abhor what they now stand for.

Utterly classless.

Traitor Don is not good enough to lick the shoes of a man like Colin Powell.

A real patriot who could have been a great president.

It figures that a goon like him would make a statement like that.

"Hope that happens to me someday." So trump.

Can not happen fast enough donny loser so people can spit on your grave.

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Prosecutors Lost A Fight To Keep A Set Of Jan. 6 Capitol Surveillance Videos Under Seal

A judge rebuffed the government’s argument that releasing more surveillance videos posed a national security risk.
Picture of Zoe Tillman Zoe Tillman BuzzFeed News Reporter
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Trump supporters storm into the Capitol in footage released by the government.

WASHINGTON — Federal prosecutors on Tuesday released a new collection of Capitol surveillance videos from Jan. 6 after a judge ordered them to do so, rejecting the government’s argument that making the clips public could threaten the security of the complex.

The disclosure marks a setback for the US Capitol Police and the US attorney’s office in their efforts to control how much footage from the Capitol’s closed-circuit video (CCV) system gets out. In the latest case, prosecutors argued that revealing the location and vantage points of more cameras could help “bad actors” trying to plan some future assault on the building. A judge concluded that argument was too speculative, however, and that the public had a strong interest in seeing videos that formed the basis for a recent plea deal.
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US District Chief Judge Beryl Howell ordered the videos released in response to a request from a media coalition (including BuzzFeed News) that is petitioning judges on a rolling basis for videos that prosecutors have relied on in Jan. 6 cases. Howell’s decision isn’t binding on other judges in the US District Court for the District of Columbia presiding over Capitol riot prosecutions, but it gives the media coalition a favorable ruling to point to in future fights.

Videos...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ease-insurrection?bfsource=relatedmanual

They don't have to prove the negative, that it wasn't.. the burden of proof is to prove that it was...

But by definition, it was an insurrection, which is a violent uprising against the government.. it was that. But was it an attempt to overthrow the government? Nah. The part they are trying to get to is, among the higher ups, who knew the violence was going to happen, when did they know it, and had they participated in the planning of it.

Many people stated for months during the race riots that they were planned and staged... many protests turned into breaking into stores, looting, destroying cars, attacking people, defacing government buildings, attacking police, etc... and that argument was always met with, "No, that was just a small fraction of the people there, the violence was never the intent. Stop lumping everybody in with the violent agitators...."... but the video was right there for all the world to see. So who does a video actually implicate?

Why am I not surprised that you think giving your comrades better information to commit another future insurrection is a good thing?

In this case it also implicates the people that called for this and directed these people go to the Capital building. Would you like to see the videos of what they told people too? I'm guessing you've already seen them. As it pertains to the violence on January 6tyh itself, that blame goes to the people who committed it. Just like with the summer riots. The difference is on January 6th they were trying to interfere with the American election process. And they succeeded if only for a brief time. They went there at the time it was taking place and broke into the chamber to stop it. They threatened to kill our government officials which is also a crime. They were also encouraged to do so by the very people they helped elect.

There is only one evil that matters if Trump is in the running again. I'd vote for a turnip over Trump... That's what I did in 2020. But if Biden gets these infrastructure and social safety net packages passed into law, and voters rights elections protections bill passed, he will be a peach!

It was pointed out to me yesterday that the Extreme Right Wing nutbaggery started before trump.. Look back to the 90's and you'll see Newt Gingrich.. Let's not forget the Freedom Caucus..

There is a history of Republicans falling for dictator types...

McCarthyism:

"It was characterized by heightened political repression and persecution of left-wing individuals, and a campaign spreading fear of alleged communist and socialist influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet agents." Sounds a little familiar.

The funny difference between Trump and McCarthy is that McCarthy used the fear of Communist intervention to cause havoc and Trump basically said Communism is Just Dandy with all his cuddling up to Putin.

Both attacked the Arts.. Movies, actors, producers, TV etc.. Both attacked legit news organizations. Both did anything they could to divide us..

You'd think we'd be smart enough to see it and avoid it... Guess not

j/c

Jan. 6 panel moves against Bannon, sets contempt vote

WASHINGTON (AP) — A congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection moved aggressively against close Trump adviser Steve Bannon on Thursday, swiftly scheduling a vote to recommend criminal contempt charges against the former White House aide after he defied a subpoena.

The chairman of the special committee, Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said the panel will vote Tuesday to recommend charges against Bannon, an adviser to Donald Trump for years who was in touch with the president ahead of the most serious assault on Congress in two centuries.

“The Select Committee will not tolerate defiance of our subpoenas,” Thompson said in a statement. Bannon, he said, is “hiding behind the former president’s insufficient, blanket and vague statements regarding privileges he has purported to invoke. We reject his position entirely.”

If approved by the Democratic-majority committee, the recommendation of criminal charges would go to the full House. Approval there would send them to the Justice Department, which has final say on prosecution.

The showdown with Bannon is just one facet of a broad and escalating congressional inquiry, with 19 subpoenas issued so far and thousands of pages of documents flowing to the committee and its staff. Challenging Bannon’s defiance is a crucial step for the panel, whose members are vowing to restore the force of congressional subpoenas after they were routinely flouted during Trump’s time in office.

The committee had scheduled a Thursday deposition with Bannon, but his lawyer said Trump had directed him not to comply, citing information that was potentially protected by executive privileges afforded to a president. Bannon, who was not a White House staffer on Jan. 6, also failed to provide documents to the panel by a deadline last week.

Still, the committee could end up stymied again after years of Trump administration officials refusing to cooperate with Congress. The longtime Trump adviser similarly defied a subpoena during a GOP-led investigation into Trump’s Russia ties in 2018, but the House did not move to hold him into contempt.

Even though President Joe Biden has been supportive of the committee’s work, it is uncertain whether the Justice Department would choose to prosecute the criminal contempt charges against Bannon or any other witnesses who might defy the panel. Even if it the department does prosecute, the process could take months, if not years. And such contempt cases are notoriously difficult to win.

Members of the committee are pressuring the department to take their side.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, who also sits on the Jan. 6 panel, said he expects the Justice Department to prosecute the cases.

“The last four years have given people like Steve Bannon the impression they’re above the law,” Schiff said during an interview for C-SPAN’s Book TV that airs next weekend. “But they’re going to find out otherwise.”

Schiff said efforts to hold Bannon and others in contempt during the Russia investigation were blocked by Republicans and the Trump administration’s Department of Justice.

“But now we have Merrick Garland, we have an independent Justice Department, we have an attorney general who believes in the rule of law -- and so this is why I have confidence that we will get the answers,” Schiff said.

While Bannon has outright defied the Jan. 6 committee, other Trump aides who have been subpoenaed appear to be negotiating. A deposition by a second witness that had been scheduled for Thursday, former Defense Department official Kashyap Patel, was delayed, but Patel is still engaging with the panel, a committee aide said. The aide requested anonymity to discuss the confidential talks.

Two other men who worked for Trump — former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and longtime Trump social media director Dan Scavino — were scheduled for depositions Friday, but they have both been pushed back as well. Meadows, like Patel, has been given a “short postponement” as he is also engaging with the panel, the aide said, and Scavino’s deposition has been rescheduled because there were delays in serving his subpoena.

It is unclear to what extent Trump has tried to influence his aides, beyond his lawyers’ attempts to assert executive privilege. In a statement Thursday, the former president said the members of the committee should “hold themselves in criminal contempt” and added “the people are not going to stand for it!”

Other witnesses are cooperating, including some who organized or staffed the Trump rally on the Ellipse behind the White House that preceded the riot. The committee subpoenaed 11 rally organizers and gave them a Wednesday deadline to turn over documents and records. They have also been asked to appear at scheduled depositions.

Among those complying was Lyndon Brentnall, whose firm was hired to provide Ellipse event security that day, and two longtime Trump campaign and White House staffers, Megan Powers and Hannah Salem. It is uncertain whether any of the others subpoenaed have complied.

Many of the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 marched up the National Mall after attending at least part of Trump’s rally, where he repeated his meritless claims of election fraud and implored the crowd to “fight like hell.” Dozens of police officers were injured as the Trump supporters overwhelmed them and broke through windows and doors to interrupt the certification of Biden’s victory.

The rioters repeated Trump’s claims of widespread fraud as they marched through the Capitol, even though the results of the election were confirmed by state officials and upheld by courts. Trump’s attorney general, William Barr, had said the Justice Department found no evidence of widespread fraud that could have overturned the results.

The panel has also issued a subpoena to a former Justice Department lawyer who positioned himself as Trump’s ally and aided the Republican president’s efforts to challenge the results of the 2020 election.

The demands for documents and testimony from that lawyer, Jeffrey Clark, announced Wednesday, reflect the committee’s efforts to probe not only the insurrection but also the tumult that roiled the Justice Department in the weeks leading up to it as Trump and his allies leaned on government lawyers to advance his election claims.

Clark, an assistant attorney general in the Trump administration, has emerged as a pivotal character. A Senate committee report issued last week showed that he championed Trump’s efforts to undo the election results and clashed as a result with department superiors who resisted the pressure, culminating in a dramatic White House meeting at which Trump ruminated about elevating Clark to attorney general.

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-subpoenas-steve-bannon-cc5991e85781e1caa14188ffa021ec1c

That whole thing stinks to high heaven.

The part where Trump tells his people not to obey the law or the part where congress is enforcing the law?

This is kinda driving me nuts.. It's simple. He was required to show up and testify.. He's refusing.. Put his ass in jail until he complies!

While I realize it's frustrating there is a process that must be followed. First the house has to pass it with a simple majority and then it advances to the DOJ. The DOJ has the final decision as to whether it's prosecuted.

Definitely the former.

I suspect that Bannon is so ensnared in the strategy that the only thing he could do is plead the 5th.

It was not just about what happened on the 6th, it was about getting the results into the House for a vote, where Trump would have won 26-24.

I'm aware of all that... and that is the reason for frustration... If it were you or I, we'd already be in the can

The real frustration is watching congressional GOPers act like it's a nothing burger. Traitorous spineless boot liking bitches. Or simply fascist scum...

Bannon is the worst kind of gutter scum.

His prediction on Jan 5th on what would happen the next day is chilling.

He reveled in what what occured. He was part of making it happen. trump was in and a part of the scheme.

If there were real justice both would swing for what they are - traitors. Make no mistake that is what they are.

I've never really understood why she was so hated. Was it Bengazi? She sat in front of congress for 11 hours answering every question asked.. Was it white water? All of that was exhaustively investigated and nothing was found. Maybe it was the brothel in the basement of a pizza shop in DC? Another thing that was discredited! Was it the Emails... Again, investigated by republicans and NO actionable findings.

At the time, she was kinda the face of the establishment politician.

Yeah, it was the cumulative effect of everything, really. Moving to New York to become a Senator. All the flat, rehearsed rhetoric. Always being around smoke, but never tied to the fire. The opportunism (I remember her criticizing NAFTA during her 2008 campaign in Ohio, which seems rather odd given who put it into place, but hey, it was convenient to say because it hurt Ohio). The cumulation of everything throughout her career spoke to self-interest and lent very little credence to genuine goals to improve the country as a whole. Contrast that in her own caucus opponent, Bernie Sanders - and I'm not promoting his platforms - who A) got screwed over in the primaries and B) actually had more unique, defined platforms that stood out to show he - at least to some degree - was actually invested in trying to improve the country and not just his own political gain.

The left basically legalized rioting and then complain when it happens in the other direction. They maid the rain and then said crap it is wet when the rain falls. I think rioting in all forms Jan 6 and the BLM protests that turned into riots should be condemned. You cannot pick and choose what is right and what is wrong. Both are wrong and blemishes against our Country.

IMO it was none of the above.

It was likeability. A woman probably the most qualified candidate in history as far as experience.

But she carried the Clinton baggage and all that came with it. She represented a woman in power.

She was hated by other women?? She was depised by republican males.

There was corruption in her background. It was a combination of many things.

I will say this and I believe it to my core. She would have handled covid light years better than trump.

There would not have be over 700k dead Americans.

And all the wrong things (to long to list) done under trump would not have happened.

The presidency would not have turned into pot of chaos and corruption. She would not have been impeached twice.

If she would have lost the 2020 election there would have been a peaceful transition of power.

There would not have been a coup attempt.

It seems you have a common problem among your ilk. You can't seem to comprehend that trying to overturn an election isn't something that happened "in the other direction". It was an attack on democracy itself. In theory that includes all of us. But not anymore it seems.

I riot is a riot! Wrong is wrong. You cannot endorse one and condemn the other.