DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Baker Mayfield Part IV A New Hope

Any time you make something up to float a false narrative that you present as somehow sinister I think that qualifies.

Bro, your starting to sound like joKe … no way we win with Case … his arm is beyond weak, they’ll put 11 in the box … *L* …

Our window is now and Case is not the answer … no way, no how … if Bake can’t comeback in the next few weeks were screwed as far as the playoffs go … the window will be open for at least the next couple years after this one but not with Case as our QB … that’s crazy Peen …

We will more than likely resign Bake as long as Bake doesn’t look for elite $$ … if Bake does then maybe we do let him walk, unlike some of the posters on this board I’m pretty sure the FO knows Bake’s not an elite QB … he’s above average but has his negatives and is not elite …

I’ll be shocked if he’s gone, if he does go it’s because he overvalues himself …

No, it doesn't......and that's not what he did.

Whatever you say.

I agree with whole post. And the 11 in the box comment made me laugh because I don't think Case can even throw over the box!! I'm arguing with someone right now in YouTube that says he's been a fan since the 50s want to draft Baker's replacement and see more from Case! How can you actually desire to see more from Case? Thursday night was all I wanna see because if you can't have a threat of the pass teams will stop our run and that'll be L

The problem with the bake vs Case is that this offense isn’t based around the QB. Thursday night threw a huge wrench into this topic now.

It’s one of those things where I dunno if another QB who’s even better than baker will make a difference.

The sole issue with bake right now is the fact that his mechanics are still unrefined. Case doesn’t have an arm near bakers, but his mechanics were clearly better than bakers right now. Look at Case’s footwork compared to Bakers. This is my issue right now.

I get that people want Stefanski to unleash baker, but you can’t just take the collar off when dude can’t even stay consistent with his mechanics. The high and wide throws from
Bake once again showed up this season even before the injury. Baker is highly accurate, so that means it’s a straight up discipline problem.

For argument sake! You said high and wide throws even this year?! He was amazing in the Chiefs game and got hurt in the 2nd game throwing to a Rookie that stopped his route! Where did you see this inconsistency this year before hurt? And I see you mostly support Baker from your posts so I'm not bashing

Chicago and minny game. He was out here with sloppy mechanics.

Dudes just has to stay consistent with his footwork. I’m not mad at him getting his shoulder injured. INT happen and he’s trying to tackle a guy.

I’m simply talking about his inconsistency with mechanics.

We're talking pre-injury! After injury we have no idea what was going on. You said even before injury he was wild. He was great at the end of last season and amazing in Chiefs game so we really don't know how things could have been this year. We could be 6-1
I say someone break Mayfield down since his injury comparing his footwork to last year and saying that since injury his footwork changed to compensate for his injury so he can get power on Ball

Dan Orlovsky already did on one of his segments on ESPN. Bakers footwork changed dramatically after the injury. Baker hasn't been able to follow through the way he did before the injury. The injury has made a big difference.

that's who I was referring to

As high as my hopes for the season were, and as limited as I believe the offense will be with Keenum at QB, I think it makes the most sense to put Mayfield - at least for now - on the IR for 3 weeks, and maybe to shut him down for the year and have the labrum surgery now. The bone fracture is reportedly non-displaced at this time but could easily worsen with another direct hit. Bones need 4-6 weeks to heal and a displaced fracture could result in bone fragments or chips that might really screw up the joint. It sucks, but that fracture has to be allowed to heal.

Don't worry about that guy.

My only point is if baker is questionable, and he will be until he has surgery to fix the problem, if Keenum plays well enough to win, it makes the decision easier to IR Baker.

No way am I saying Keenum is better than Baker, but I am saying that Stefanski may prefer the type of QB that Keenum brings over the style Baker seems to prefer to play.

I haven't studied Cam Newton, but I saw several of his games in the last 2 years, and I don't think he can throw the football anymore. Plus he was quoted recently as saying his "aura" would prevent him from being a good backup QB. My translation of that is he is not interested in being anybody's backup. If Baker is out for an extended period I'd try to pry Brian Hoyer loose from New England, if only to back up Keenum now, and possibly to replace Keenum next year as a considerably cheaper backup to Mayfield.

Just my two cents but I think Cam has struggled to throw the ball with any accuracy or consistency for at least 2 or 3 years. And that's me being kind. He was a freak athlete, never a good QB. Case, as limited as he might be, will win u more games than Cam could.

Baker has always been more tough than talented. It's got him this far.
But the truth is , he may have peaked as a QB. He isnt that much different than Andy Dalton
Talent wise. When Dalton had good talent around him, he succeeded. When he didnt,
He struggled.
The Browns running game is the idenity of the offense. The QB is there to play error free
And move the chains. Not to carry the offense on.his arm.
Nobody wants to hear it but Mayfield isnt the best QB in the North.
He is a solid very tough QB who fits KS scheme.

I don't believe it really did, this is the traditional "Elevate the Backup" that we are known for. One QB managed a game with a high offensive output and a loss, the other managed a game with a much lower output and a win. The first opponent was better than the second. If you are drafting a person to run your offense on the field do you choose the guy who put a lot of points on the board in a loss to Alabama or the guy that managed a pedestrian win over Purdue?

Sorry Tab but the only way I would go after Newton was if I was aligning the team for a better position in the draft.

I think Ski can get it done with a sound running game Case ,and a defense that performs up to capability. The games will look like what we saw against Denver, which I could easily live with.

I hope Ski develops more of a killer instinct when we have a lead, I think that would be helpful but at no time did I feel we weren't in control against Denver and that was a nice easy feeling.

Case has a LOOONG break between this game and next, and adequate time to prepare (instead of a couple days... probably just one day of practice). Give him at least 1 more game before we start figuring out his replacement. With what we pay him, I think it makes sense to give him adequate time to try to conjure whatever allowed him to go on his run in Minny.

Case has long time to prepare, so do all the defenses we'll face. Ugh. I will admit Mayfield is MORE than adequate when healthy AND he's a warrior. Yet, his intangibles get in the way...highly competitive- he's made some cute commercials. He's won a playoff game, but let's not forget he's human and makes his share of bonehead plays. IE, how'd he get hurt, would Brady have tried to tackle a good sized defensive back or let someone else do it. Johnny Menzel found out how he'd "wreck" the league, got smacked on sidelines and was UNAVAILABLE. Baker is damaged goods now, possible nerve damage, yada, yada....JMHO, he's a small QB with great arm...he's NOT Drew Brees, he's not Murray, he's not Burrow, I'd take both those two over Baker, one way more athletics, one bigger....we've got a line and coach...can win some games, but are we really good enough to go SB with Case. Do we really want 30 million a year tied up on a small hurt QB....when a journeyman can win games in our system.....could Charlie Fry win with our line and runners. I think Baker is overachiever and inspires folks with attitude....that works for awhile, then big good beats little good. Go Browns!!!!

Case went 11-3 with the Vikings in 2017 with Ski as his QB coach. It is far from time to panic. He does not have Bakers arm, BUT he has way more experience in the offense, and at this point in both of their careers I believe Case is better at reading defenses.

Maybe Case should do some tricep and deltoid work!!!

...and hips, core, glutes, legs, and then learn how to use all of it together.

He is who he is. No amount of work in the gym is going to change his ball velocity at this point. Some guys can just sling it. Others can’t. Same physical stature. Same build. It just on some level is an innate trait.
Boxers are similar. Some guys are ‘heavy handed’. They just hit harder than other guys that look similar in shorts.

Case is what he is. He’s not heavy handed.

Also taking into consideration it was pretty windy thursday and he hadn't played in a game for a minute. I'd venture to say he'll get better the more he gets out there. He had the long ball in Minn, but def in this offense the short to intermediate is the bread and butter and he can do that.

Wills just blasted the media for taking his quote out of context when he said he didn't see a dropoff with Case's play.

They have Njoku, and Higgins. Nevertheless, they don't appear to have a quick strike offense.

When there are multiple injuries at a number of positions, and our QB is banged up as well, then our ability to score quickly is diminished. We still have dynamic talent at pass-catching positions.

This is much ado about nothing. Mayfield is the current and future starter. Keenum is the self-acknowledged back up. If Keenum wins a bunch this year, he may try to cash in on free agency the way he did after the Minny run. If he does, then there will be a new backup. Mayfield is the starter and projected franchise QB. Stefanski knows that he and Mayfield will find the right mix, just a matter of time.

I don't think the FO is all that interested in a rental situation, not to mention I don't think there are any out there any better than what we have in Keenum.

We can speculate all we want but it is a fact Keenum has stepped in before and won. I am not sure what else we could want in a back-up. If we didn't feel he could fill the void, why did we keep him in the first place?

Stefanski has a comfort level with Keenum and Keenum has a comfort level with the O. That is about as good as it gets when you start talking about subbing for your injured starter.

The reality is no matter who we bring in(being real) we are going to miss a beat. If not, maybe we don't need to be thinking about paying Baker $40 mil a year?

If a few games go by and Case is still throwing lollipops (i.e. the Denver game is his ceiling), AND we will be Baker-less going into season crunch-time and postseason (we have some work to do to get into POs), then I can see hunting for a QB. IF we won't get Baker back, then we'll at least need a backup for Case.

The thing is, who are we going to pull off the FA scrap heap that will be better? Keenum has his time in Minny on his resume, knows the system already and is one of the highest-paid backup QBs (we must value his spot on the roster to pay him that much).

If we're going to upgrade, it'll have to be via trade. Bridgewater? Someone mentioned Hoyer... is Hoyer an upgrade over Keenum?

there is no one available FA or trade that is better than Keenum(aside from someone destroying our cap). Our cart is married to the ox.

I actually like Keenum for the offense and think he will do fine holding down the fort until Baker returns.

That's where I am as well. Case has some glaring deficiencies, and if we get 2 TD's behind in any game I think we'll be toast because we simply can't stretch the field with him. But he's the best option out there, knows the system, isn't (shouldn't) panic or make dumb mistakes. But in reality the fate of this season is probably resting on [1] The OL staying healthy [2] Joe Woods defense hitting it's stride and not requiring the offense to score 40+ to win games against good teams.