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Send them Schwartz and a conditional 4th.

Hasn’t Dillard been horrible? Like hasn’t been able to crack the starting unit horrible? The Eagles should be happy if they get a conditional seventh round pick because that means someone took his contract of their hands.

I thought the report said he has played well since being inserted.

Face it, nobody is trading away a great player without much fanfare and cost associated. I don't know if this guy is any good or not, but we do need to beef up the line, so it could have some legs.

Of course VG & Hoop were more productive with there last teams … we don’t throw the ball near as much as they do and Hoop is part of a 2.5 head monster here ..

VG was all Miami had … they had no RB’s, WR’s or TE’s … he was the entire show …

It’s really not that hard to figure out at all …. Shame on U … *L* …

I think his overall historical performance makes sense as go-to depth for us... so long as the price to get him aligns.

I didn’t say we shouldn’t trade for him. I just don’t think we should give anything of value.

I agree keep Higgins send them Schwartz.

1. It makes no sense to send them anything of value.
2. If we were to make a dumb trade and send them something of value, sending them Schwartz, who has three years after 2021 on a cheap contract, instead of Higgins, who has no years on his contract after 2021 and barely plays, would be the cherry on top of the dumb sundae.

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Just isn't happening.

We have Higgins under contract through the rest of this season. We have no idea where he may end up after that. Schwartz is a rookie with three years left on his rookie deal. I wonder what your opinion would have been of Higgins as a rookie WR?

As a rookie Higgins played in 16 games, had a total of 6 receptions for a total 77 yards.

I keep Higgins also. His rookie stats matter, of course. You say he played in 16 games. Any breakdown on how many plays he was playing receiver?

What he HAS done since is prove he's a reliable receiver. Do you take an unreliable receiver of a proven, when given the chance, receiver?

I just wished to show that people are being premature about trying to judge Schwartz so soon. There's also the fact that Higgins contract is over at the end of the year. First it would be hard to even get someone to consider a trade for a player only signed for what boils down to half a season. So trading Higgins is pretty much not going to happen anyway. Secondly, people seem to be promoting we trade away a rookie with physical skills and three and a half years left on his contract for a player we only have under contract for half of a season. When thinking about the long term implications of that it just doesn't make sense to me.

I keep the young proven player. I drop the younger, totally unproven player.

I would keep Schwartz also. I really believe with reps he can be good. Why would anyone want to trade Higgins. He's proven himself to be reliable and is one of Bakers favorite targets. We can talk about trades all we want but I really believe if we can just get healthy we can play with and beat anyone. JMO

So you get a nine game rental. That's fine.

As I said, with him only being under contract for the rest of this season, nobody is going to trade for him. Some people just choose to ignore that part. Besides, as I said, Higgins is only under contract for nine more games. From the long term perspective, in the long run it doesn't make any difference.

Not at all what I said. It's what you interpreted. I keep him, resign him. I don't trade him.

And what even is Higgins value anyway? He was an unrestricted free agent and came back to us for, basically, the minimum.

To be clear, I wouldn’t trade either for a backup tackle.

I agree with both of you.

Why would Philly want a receiver (Higgins) that they have to resign/hope to resign at the end of the season? It doesn't make any sense. I would understand if they are trading for a star or superstar that is an unrestricted free agent. This way they could be the first to re-sign the player or worst case scenario slap the franchise tag on them. ....that isn't Higgins.
If they are dumb enough to trade for him, then we need to keep Philly on speed dial for future trades.

The tweet about us being interested in the article, thanks for the information. The thought process of the article, is poorly thought out in my opinion. Basic facts and stats...cool thanks. But bring OBJ's name up, Higgins doesn't make sense to me. They have Dallas Goedert, are they running two TE sets? Is Harrison Bryant and a draft pick really worth trading a young OL to them?

Things to consider. Dillard struggled his first year, he was out for his second year, he has played well for four games this year. Technically this is really his second season...maybe this is a good comparison or maybe not....Greedy, played meh his first year (I'm aware he was injured too), didn't play last year, and has played pretty solid his third year.

My point, maybe Dillard is finally blossoming. Would that benefit them to trade a receiver or TE for Dillard?

Really....I wouldn't either. My reason is because both are young and inexpensive. Just throwing names that move on next year.....WRs: OBJ, Higgins / TE: Chief. Those two (Bryant and Schwartz) are good young inexpensive pieces that might get a big piece of playing time next year.

Andrew Berry’s worst move, the Austin Hooper contract, is going to come back to haunt us in the 2022 off-season. We basically can’t move on from him unless we trade him. I would guess that means we let Njoku go unless he re-signs for a cheap contract.

I agree. If we could trade Hooper and re-sign Njoku, that would be ideal IMO

When a players contract is up you don't have a choice. That player is a FA and can sign anywhere he wants. You can't choose where that player goes or who he signs with. The only thing you have guaranteed is the length of his contract. You can hope that's what would happen if you like. You have him under contract for the rest of the season. That's all you have .

Nah, it's not that big of a deal. We can just get him to restructure or extend - a new contract that puts some extra cash in his pocket, but spreads out the cap hit.
As-is, he will count against our cap in 2024 in the voided year... we just need to do an extension that that keeps him here for that year and maybe 2025 and moves some of the 2022 & 2023 salary into signing bonus.... it's just Cap/money; there is ALWAYS a way to make it work.
Plus, the new TV deal money will finally be kicking in. Cap space shouldn't be a worry at all.

Moving Bryant would necessitate keeping Hooper, because Bryant is the guy we're grooming to backfill behind Hoops.

If we felt we had to, we could probably franchise Njoku. The projected 2022 tag is about $10. If we don't see some improvement in the integration of OBJ into the offense, I could see us tagging Njoku, cutting or trading OBJ, (and at this point it's probably cutting) and taking a WR very early in the draft.

I agree. I think WR is our first round pick regardless

With the the system we run I just don't see it that way. Our system relies on spreading the ball around in the passing game and using the run more than most teams. You don't need dominate WR's to accomplish that. There have been many debates on this board about the draft value of WR's. And if your system is pass centric with little to no running game being used, the value of those WR's greatly increases.

But I've seen no sign that's what we're doing here. As has been shown in stats it seems we rely far more heavily on the RB's, yes even in the passing game to an extent, and TE's than we do WR's. Nothing to me indicates that takes a first round investment at the WR position. Not for us in the current system.

I think we must remember that when this team invested heavily in WR's it was under a different FO, with a different coaching staff and a different system. I do not see that repeated as things stand currently.

Getting Ogbah back would be nice.

I wonder if we’d bring Ogbah back? Another rusher would help

Any help on the defensive line would be nice. We are one Clowney injury away from being very thin on the line.

We are not a playoff team. Are we buyers....or sellers?

Sellers 100%. We're not even close.

That's a great move for the Broncos.

Imagine if right now at 4-4 we traded our best defensive player. That’s what the Broncos just did.

Rams have Donald, Miller, and Ramsey at all 3 levels lol wow