DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum The OBJ-Baker Connection: Linchpin to the season?

That sort of image says nothing. It's like showing a car going through an intersection, and getting into an accident, and not showing the stop light.

That still shot is just OBJ's dad continuing to stir the pot.

Did u see the video that his dad posted? It's very telling. Some of those blatant misses or ignoring is inexcusable.

He can't wait to get out of Cleveland and I don't blame him.

His dad is trying to force the hand of Berry. The timing of all of this tells the whole story..

This is known as "The Aaron Rodgers".

Then why link it to a Tweet that has nothing to do with his statement? People crack me up.

I had to get this off my chest!!

The Browns are the ONLY team that gets a Ferrari or a AMG GT and does not know how to drive it!!!.. We leave the Ferrari in the garage!! OR we drive the AMG GT to the grocery store and back!!!.. OK.. I'm done.. but I defiantly blame Stefanski for some of this.

So what changed from last year? We literally have all the same players back and all the same coaches back. OBJ is back and our QB's shoulder is being held on my fabric.

j/c...

Just rip the band aid off.

The whole OBJ thing is a huge distraction for a Team that can ill afford it . Question is ; Do the FO see it that way ?

No, nothing really changed. When our offense is working, it means that we are running heavy and play action pass off of that. Once we get behind or have to go pass heavy, then the Browns are in trouble. And again, I dont think the Pitt loss is on Baker. But this narrative that its OBJ problem when its NOT!!.. Stefanski first, Baker second!

Stefanski is the only coach that cant scheme a player open, even though every other coach can their guy the ball!!!.. I dont mind team ball but 2 looks in a game is weak!
Baker is a good play action passer because it takes half the field, and you only have 3 options on those routes. Look at Baker when we go 4 wide. Hell, look at Baker from the First to third quarter in the Pitt game.

This is the first real adversity the Berry/Stefanski partnership has faced. Trading OBJ can show to players that you can just get whatever you want. Keeping him can create a problem within the team. This is why they are paid the big bucks.

So you don't believe OBJ's dad that he (OBJ) is open all the time?

Just let the man go. They're not gonna do anything with him anyway. It's not like we're gonna see some drastic change from Baker and the play calling.

It just seems such an " Open and Closed case " to me .. How good he is / great he was , will be means nothing in Cleveland . Team first , second , ect , ect .

OBJ isn't the only WR that's frustrated with Baker. Although they don't really have a leg to stand on after the Steelers game but I've been getting that same vibe from Njoku and Higgins throughout the season. They are bored. Body language is everything and I've been spotting it for weeks. Before this Sunday, they were hardly involved because coach is so hellbent on us being a run first team.

We currently have ten more rushing attempts than passing attempts. Our QB has a broken shoulder.

I dont and I think that is all OBJ Sr is saying. This problem with the offense is not OBJs fault. The problem starts with Stefanski. Look how many pts we have scored that last several games!!! Look teams are crowding the line to stop the run and then stacking 2 deep safeties on us. Hell, Pitt plays zone 85% of the time. We could not figure it out. Stefanski couldn't and Baker couldn't. So this problem we have is not a OBJ problem. When teams take away the run, then what do we do??

This weekend we bounced balls off WRs hands quite a bit.

Maybe like catch the ball or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5.

j/c...

Dwayne Bowe, lol.

Well, that settles it.

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This sounds like someone from, .. NY or Dallas, or wherever, lobbying for the Browns to get their best player, OBJ, and send him to a team where the other fans can watch him play well and then shove it in Clevelands face.

I think the plan all along, was to have OBJ, sign a free agent deal on another team AFTER this seson ends. and that Gives the Browns a Great Compensatory Pick.

And I like that Plan ^. Even so. At this point,

I just have had enough of injured OBJ, with that Achilles, and injured Baker with that Shoulder, and the BEST CHANCE, I believe, to see the Browns win games, IS TO SIT BOTH OF EM FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR,
Screw it. I want to see the BROWSN WIN!!!!!!!!!!

I don't care about players egos! And I don't care that player F, is getting xx millions paid, I don't want to see them play, until they can make plays on the field.

AND IF THEY TRADE OBJ, THEY ARE EVEN STUPIDER THAN I THOUGHT THEY WERE. ( I know it's supposed to be more stupid but I felt it had more "Jenny say CAW! " to use stupider.

No sir, just want us to reach our max potential and we appear to do that without him. What's the point in having obj here if they can't get him involved? This has been an issue since he got here. It's boiling over now, just let him go so we can move on. Maybe it'll be a repeat of last year when obj went out.

I assume there's more that I am not seeing???

In his tweet to Beckham's father, Bowe said "They did me the same way.".

Can we, as a community, agree to blame John Dorsey for this saga as he is the one who traded for OBJ?

As long as you give him credit for the 35 other players still on our team

Deal!

Try like 11.

I counted seven on the active roster but who’s counting?

obviously, 35 was obnoxious but... 14 is accurate

Baker
Chubb
Landry
OBJ
Ward
Williams
Takitaki
Wilson
Gillan
Hunt
D’Ernest Johnson
Teller
Gustin
Forbes


I'd say that's a pretty solid list in 2 years time

Forbes? is still around but not Garrett Gilkey? and Jordan Elliott is still around.

'Solid List' is subjective. How many of these guys are impact players?

Baker is a hot topic and some love many hate him. And that's the most important position on any team.
Chubb is as good or better than any RB in the NFL.
Landry I love - despite a bad game vs Pit.
OBJ has done nothing. So as good as that trade might have looked on paper it has not worked out.
Hunt, Johnson, Teller are all great players. (Johnson sample size is small).

5 impact players? 2 years and how many draft picks? And in some cases we lost good players to acquire these guys.

I was a John Dorsey supporter. I don't know that his legacy is lasting as well as we thought it would at one time. And that's not even bringing Kitchens into the discussion.

The trade deadline has passed. OBJ is still in Berea. Clearly now he is a virus.

so what is your guesses to the number of pass attempts to OBJ next game at Cinci now that all this has come out? Will Baker throw it more to him to prove a point?

I would just ask Bowe what team(s) took advantage of his immense talent after his time here.

Revisionist history is the last refuge of losers.