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He must have dropped the pen so they couldn’t process it in time.

Not to mention he spoke up for and advocated for bringing OBJ here, which is now a bad look.

Just read the Jake Trotter story. Who runs the wrong routes on purpose? How is that even a thing? It’s so outrageous I don’t know if I can believe it.

(I qualify this with "If that is what was happening")

It's not running the wrong routes on purpose.. it's getting into the route and thinking you see a better way to get open and improvising... maybe that works with a QB/WR that have years of successful experience together who just kind of "feel" each other... but he and Baker obviously had not figured that out yet. Maybe Eli had, don't know. But imagine being Baker and trying to learn your 3rd offense in 3 years and you are trying to go through your progressions and one receiver is periodically off trying to outsmart the defense and the playbook on his own and he's not where he's supposed to be? I'm sure that could get unnerving...

You probably wouldn't throw to him a lot, especially if he drops balls too.

Outrageous, yes. Unbelievable, no. No more unbelievable that coming to a new team fighting for their lives and wearing illegal shoes and not knowing where to line up. And think about it. This is not the free lancer, chuck it up offense. This is a high timed, choreographed offense, everyone is expected to be at a certain place in a certain time or it fails.

Baker has had to work through his own issues converting to a drop back passer, timing his steps, speeding up his reads, trusting his eyes, and then he has to deal with this BS.

Great passes are thrown before the receiver makes his break. How do you do that when you don't know where he is breaking to?? The guy is an absolute joke.

Also his mysterious absence from the first few games this season makes sense now, he was pouting and punishing the Browns for not trading him before the season, book it!

Maybe a Prima Dona who is used to making splash plays and being on ESPN highlights. Maybe a guy who was used an offense where he just had to get open. Maybe a guy who couldn't thrive in the disciplined KS offense.

Maybe the guy that stands on the sideline and shouts "I wanna score a TD" instead of saying "I just wanna win".

When I hear 'he ran the wrong routes on purpose' - it's not like he lined up pre-snap and said he's going to run the wrong route, I think he starts the route and rather than complete the route knowing he's probably covered, he constantly looks to get open even if it means running the wrong route. He'd rather be considered open and the QB missed him - then run the right route and look covered. But it's all speculation for sure. However, when that's the feedback that came out of Berea this week, I think there's more than a fair chance it happened, and probably more than "occasionally".

Not sure if it was the Trotter story, but I read it was more just making a different read than Baker more than anything. I have quite a bit of empathy for the players in these situations. Their time in the league is short, and to be stuck in a scheme that doesn't fit must be maddening. I'd wish him well if he weren't such a turd on the way out.

And i know this is bitterness talking, but he's going to get everything he wants, which pisses me off. His reworked contract is such that teams probably won't claim him. He'll be a FA.

JMHO, you got it right. I didn't like trading for him in the first place. He's a diva. Anyone who needs to dye their hair, wear special me shoes, jewelry, etc., etc., he's a average size guy with some talent who has branded himself into something "significant"......his shelf life is rapidly coming to an end....AND....he knows it. NFL. NOT FOR LONG. Do I blame him, yes, but do I understand it....yes. Good Luck, Go Browns!!!!

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/202...Uoj_tthO2qasNnZr9oXnH5lJvFT6aykP7PEYPfog

In fact, a video made by former NFL quarterback J.T. O’Sullivan when the Browns acquired Beckham showed similar concerns from his time in New York.

A few statements O’Sullivan makes in the video echo Kinkhabwala’s final statements in the above video:

“There is not a lot of anticipation when you’re throwing to him.”
“Lot of dancing at the line of scrimmage.”
“It is really hard to throw to a guy like that because you never know where he is, when he is coming out (of his break).”
“Ocho (Chad Johnson) used to do this kind of stuff. He would be open, he would be wide-open every play. Now, he should have been running a post and run an out but he’s gonna be wide open on the sideline.”

Good Read

Well, I guess Higgins and Peoples Jones and Schwartz will get more .. For sure Higgins deserves it,,, Oh, Switzer is on IR..

What receivers are available that are worth going after?

Speaking of Higgins... when this whole melodrama was unfolding at light-speed, didn't someone say that he "liked" papa Beckham's tweet? Don't know if that has been verified, but one would think he may spend a week in the dog house for that.

Yes, he did say that... See below

https://heavy.com/sports/cleveland-browns/rashard-higgins-turning-on-baker-mayfield/

When all this drama was going on behind the scenes no one wanted to come out publicly and say it and I don't blame them. Now that OBJ is gone everyone can relax a little bit and get back to what's most important, playing football and winning games. That's the #1 priority.

I could be wrong but isn't Ja'Marcus Bradley still on our practice squad as well?

There's also our preseason darling that should be available.

Davion Davis was picked up by the Texans off our practice squad, if that's who you're referring to.

Maybe he meant Josh Lenz?

i don't know about everyone else but I sure won't miss OBJ. Seems like he is always a cancer in the locker room no matter where he goes.

I guess Higgins liking OBJ seniors post must mean the entire problem with division on the team solely existed with one player? Or maybe there is a bigger divide that we don't know about? Higgins like on that post seems to indicate it runs deeper than just OBJ. I guess all of the WR's better man up and support Baker now. They made OBJ an example of what happens when you don't.

Or maybe Higgie liked it because he knew that meant OBJ would be gone resulting in more playing time and targets for him leading to a bugger contract next season

Sure, with all those disses of Mayfield in there and it coming from OBJ's dad, that must be what it was. (Please denote sarcasm)

JC...

I think we still have JoJo Natson

The article that seems to make it clear that Higgins doesn't like it getting blown out of whack

Would like to have him ...

I’d like to have Khadarel Hodge right about now

Pretty wild.

I don't know if it is so much about running the wrong routes. Maybe its more about the timing of the route, or free lancing the route to get open. Rather than running the route to a depth of say 15 yards, he is juking his way to a depth of 25 yards.

That might work if the QB is sticking with the one read, but if the QB moves off the read because it wasn't open or the receiver wasn't where he was supposed to be at 15 yards, it might look like the QB is missing open looks.

It's starting to look like this might have been a factor

I don't blame him for trying to play it down. I would too in his position. But that doesn't change the fact he liked the post.

It's hard to take hitting the "like" button out of context.

I certainly think so. It's used all across the internet. Even here. I don't know of anyone who hits a like button on something they disagree with.

I was just listening to local sports radio and they were speculating about OBJ coming to the Pats. One host said he wouldn't want him here because he would hurt Mac Jones. Another mentioned how much Bill Belichek has spoken about how talented OBJ is. Wouldn't it be something if he signed with the Pats this week and got to play against us next Sunday. If that happens you can see what's coming.

I just find it hard to think anyone would take over his remaining salary when he will be so much cheaper during the off season. I mean anything is possible I guess but not many teams have the available salary cap to absorb his cost. I have no idea if the Pats do or not.

The hosts of the radio show were also discussing the fact that if OBJ wanted to get back at his former team this was a golden opportunity. Another asked why would he want to get revenge. The Browns did everything they could to make the release easy for him and then they went into some details. They are right. We treated OBJ just fine with his release. Better than he probably deserved from what I've read.

I think people put far too much stock into rumors and opinions. Often times they take such things as facts when they're usually more about painting a narrative.

True. Let's hope he goes to the NFC.

Ever since this was posted by members I have wondered what Nick Chubb thinks about this conversation. I would think the type of player Chubb is he would not appreciate a teammate that truly thinks like that. Chubb was the guy who ran pout of bounds giving up a TD for his stats so the Browns were guaranteed a win. I could be completely wrong but that was the first thing that came to mind for me.