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What everyone saw today was the difference between a team and organization that has a winning culture and one that does not. We can assemble all the talent we want but until we learn to play and win consistently it will always be like this. Just listen to a couple things online from the Pats, and it just seems like they were like the Pats, were requiring much more intensity from their players in practice type situations. Much more complicated, trickeration and schemes in the summertime.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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If I’m Berry I go hard after Wilson or Rodgers in off season.. get a competent DC and upgrade the linebackers. Force stefanski to give up play calling or move on to a different HC. This whole give teams time to gel anymore is BS. You can turn it around quick with the right personnel. It’s obvious we don’t especially at the places that matter
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If I’m Berry I go hard after Wilson or Rodgers in off season.. get a competent DC and upgrade the linebackers. Force stefanski to give up play calling or move on to a different HC. This whole give teams time to gel anymore is BS. You can turn it around quick with the right personnel. It’s obvious we don’t especially at the places that matter Wilson has a no trade clause in his contract - he's already stated if he's traded there's only a few cities he'd be willing to go to. As for Rodgers...I honestly don't think he's going anywhere either unless a can't miss opportunity presents itself. Matt Ryan might be available though - is he enough of an upgrade over Mayfield if at all?
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Out everythinged when it was time to put up or shut up...The Browns simply swung their purses around and shut up. Typical. That is all.
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embarrassment everywhere - on both sides of the ball. I can’t think of one player who played well. We literally could not stop them from going up and the the field, the entire game.
Oh, our punter had a good game, that’s the only one I can think of who didn’t play like crap. Good news is, no one else in our division won this week, so we have that.
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More shots at the coaching and inability to make adjustments...
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I honestly think Chase McLaughlin should of had more FG attempts ! Oh wait ! it was really bad that he couldn't !
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This says a bunch. Hopelessly and clearly outreached and outplayed today. See Clowney?
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Was in Columbus to see family. Drove home today, listening to the game on the radio. Started out promising. Then it went downhill.
Thankfully, I was finally able to drive out of radio coverage so I didn't have to listen anymore. Wife volunteered to find the game on Sat. radio. I politely explained "please, don't." Earlier though, she said "Arch, I can see your heart pumping in your neck veins." I just said "If you quit seeing that, grab the steering wheel."
Did make it home in record time though.
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Listened to the post game pressers ... Garret is not happy ...HC admits it the way it was... I forced myself to watch the pressers... glad I did...
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We were atrocious in every facet today. I honestly couldn’t believe that was our team on the field. The good news is we’ve reached the point where we expect to win. The bad news is we cant beat anybody good.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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very frustrating how we are unable to adjust our game plan . Almost like the play calling doesn't even reflect the game we are watching
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At minimum you have fire woods right now. Wade Phillips and Gregg Williams are out there. Greg would atleast have familiarity with some of the guys. But I don’t think you can wait anymore. The players are seeing the season slipping away and can’t hold their tongue anymore
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To me, this seems to say it all, especially in regards to our two blowout losses so far this year (AZ/NE). Moreso than appearing "flat" or any one player's performance, the play calling on neither side of the ball seemed in tune or in time to what the situation was on the field. jmho.
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I agree. Something has to be done about the D right now. I was a Joe Woods supporter but after today I mean My God, 3 drives for TD's over 90 yards. Who gives up drives like that. Our personnel is too good to play like that!!
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Was in Columbus to see family. Drove home today, listening to the game on the radio. Started out promising. Then it went downhill.
Thankfully, I was finally able to drive out of radio coverage so I didn't have to listen anymore. Wife volunteered to find the game on Sat. radio. I politely explained "please, don't." Earlier though, she said "Arch, I can see your heart pumping in your neck veins." I just said "If you quit seeing that, grab the steering wheel."
Did make it home in record time though. Oh man lmao. I can see myself in that drivers seat and the exact same scenario coming to pass with my wife. Thanks for the vivid pic of what it feels like to be an angry Browns fan, it seriously made a dark day better. Here's to better days. 
HERE WE GO BROWNIES! HERE WE GO!!
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Just remember, for all of y’all wanting to fire woods, that means we have to also fire Stefanski.
Woods isn’t calling the shots on offense. Told y’all in the other threads that Stefanski needs way for heat on him than a lot of you guys are giving right now.
Cause the last time I checked, the offense got the ball, as well. What did they do with it.
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Nobody understands what's it like to be a Browns fan except another Browns fan; maybe a Lions fan does!
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Bakers presser..from 1:13 t0 1:38...reminds me of the Freddie Kitchens hype and how they listened to the press and thinking they were going to be great...
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Alex Van Pelt taking over play calling WOULD NOT! FIX!
Baker is hesitating on the quickest throw, hot read after the snap. Other league wide Qbs including dipwad in Cincinnati
could be used as examples to show,
what not hesitating looks like.
Baker hesitating on hot routes post snaps, as becoming a part of a (real) 2 minute type passing offense.
Has been a problem all year long,
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Was becoming apparent today in the two plays just before, and the play Baker got injured on.
I can't know, if the coaches are demanding the hesitancy, if the coaches are causing fear of bad results that grow this hesitancy,
or if the hesitancy on the first read, or hesitancy on the hot quick throw after the snap is coming from Baker.
I can know, that we saw it, in red zones in previous games. This year. multiple games.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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We also had our usual 3 drops or so that would have kept some drives going. Sadly, today they wouldn't have made a difference.
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j/c...
Everyone getting their shots in at the coaching today...
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Bring back OJ
I mean OBee J
This team is headed for NFL purgatory.
Sometimes good enough to make the playoffs,never good enough to win it all.
Too good to be in a position to draft that QB that will make them great.
Oh well we'll always have 2020.
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We'll be better next year when no one expects us to win!!
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There's going to be fracturing in the locker room next. There should not be.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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[quote=Milk Man]j/c...
Everyone getting their shots in at the coaching today...
Two weeks ago also.
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Just remember, for all of y’all wanting to fire woods, that means we have to also fire Stefanski.
Woods isn’t calling the shots on offense. Told y’all in the other threads that Stefanski needs way for heat on him than a lot of you guys are giving right now.
Cause the last time I checked, the offense got the ball, as well. What did they do with it. Fired from calling the offensive plays - sure. I floated that back in week 3 or 4 .... and/or a suggestion that he calls a half because he then gets too predictable. Joe Woods I've been concerned about all year despite the stats. It's a real conundrum because we flat out BALL in some games and then look totally inept in others. The 3rd down plays we give up are bad. I don't know what the stats are but I have to believe that we are way down the league in that category. Joe isn't going anywhere soon - plenty of time to see what he can do. But we have a LOT of talent on the DL and in the secondary .... and we barely seemed to pressure their QB much today.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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We have to be done with Joe Woods as a DC. Put him back with the DB's and find someone that knows how to use the talent we hav on Defense. How do we not blitz a rookie QB???
“It doesn't make sense to hire smart people and tell them what to do; we hire smart people so they can tell us what to do.” -Steve Jobs.
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The Pats were messin with Garrett and Clowney which opened up the middle... that's how the Pat's ran on the Browns.... so put some players in the middle to stop the run / pass... Oh and tackle if ya in there !
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We consistently have had the worst 3rd down and 4th down Defense the entire year. Good coaching would have shown improvement but it has not. The Offense has been a consistent Jekyll and Hyde. Something has to change tomorrow. Enough already.
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Yawn - nobody cares Kevin. YOU have to realize YOUR limitations as a play caller and hand that job to Van Pelt. Tired of hearing the SAME TIRED excuses after EVERY loss. ENOUGH already. Be a LEADER and show this team YOU can do the right thing for this team. Otherwise pack your bags and get the hell out of town. We are tired of your act. Period.
After 55 years, I'm walking away from this dumpster fire. Good luck to everyone who continues to hang on. You'll need it.
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Well that was embarrassing.
*Browns are a Jekyll and Hyde team, good one week and awful the next.
*Will have to go 7-0 or 6-1 to make the playoffs now.
*Have to get Chubb back. Our running game is just not the same without him!
*I agree about Joe Woods being done as DC.
*Garrett seemed to blame Stefanski and Woods after the game saying they never made adjustments to stop the Pat's offense.
*A season that was supposed to be great is looking like another disappointment.
*Hope the Browns can turn it around and put a string of good games together.
*Better not lose to, or tie, a winless Lions team at home next week!
GO BROWNS! WOOF, WOOF!
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