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It might seem early (or late) for the draft but this is important:


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Trade up to 10 and take him!


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We certainly need to address this area whether it’s the draft or FA


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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He is good. Smmes he will probably get drafted high for a punter....maybe round 5. We would probably have to go round 4, which we probably won't do.


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The RB for Oklahoma State, Warren, reminds me of Chubb....speed, vision, and breaks tackles!


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Maybe not too early?

Any QBs going to be good enough to take mid first round?

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Maybe that Corrall dude from Ole Miss? Seems to be a QB that interests me


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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We gotta get this guy.

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We might have to trade up to get him


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The Browns draft to biggest team weakness. And As they can't ever keep a roster togetether, for the 27th straight year at least, they will draft a CB, or Db in the first round.

2021 is showing. The Browns can't compete unless then can find a tandem of Qb and WR that can march the whole field on two, or 3 passes, to reach field goal range, maybe 4 to get to the touchdown.

But This constant! NON SENSE of 27 plays to cross the field, or,
One breakaway that goes the distance,

Ain't never going to be reliable enough to win 3 post season games.

you can see it. you can see it all over the NFL. Week after week, team after team, it's widespread. there is widespread evidence.

Until then they are just changing the paint color on a race car, no benefit.


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I knew about Matt Araiza before it was cool.

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Read about him in the Athletic. Pretty amazing leg. Thought this was crazy, talking about his 81 yarder...

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The punt was so good that GameOnPaper.com calculated that kick alone netted SDSU a 4.5 percent win probability improvement... in the first quarter.






Just curious as to your opinion on the following, cfrs. Let's say he keeps it up for another season (he's a JR), and there's plenty of evidence that he could be one of the best ever... What is the highest you would draft a punter?

Dude will probably come out after this season, it's hard to imagine improving your draft stock as a punter with all the buzz he's been getting.


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Don't know about this guy, but Ray Guy was a 1st round pick. The thing about having a Punter like this guy is that he basically flips the field from anywhere on the field. Jim Tressel always said a punter was the most important weapon a coach had, and in this case he might be right.

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But, but, but.... analytics say "don't punt". Punts are at an all time low. Teams regularly go for it on 4th on their own side of the field. Hell, sometimes even within their own 25 yard line.

No doubt he's "first round talent", but I have a hard time seeing him go higher than the fourth, mostly because of the narrative driving the league right now.


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I’d take him with a third round pick.

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j/c...

Dane Brugler Mock Draft 1.0 willynilly

15. Cleveland Browns — David Ojabo, edge, Michigan*

It wouldn’t be a surprise to see a wide receiver like Treylon Burks or Chris Olave here, but Ojabo might be too enticing to pass up for Cleveland. The Nigerian and Scotland native is remarkably disruptive for a player who is still a football novice. Ideally, the organization would like to bring back Jadeveon Clowney, which would give Ojabo a chance to be a sub-package rusher as a rookie as he realizes his sky-high potential.

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It would certainly surprise me to see this FO select a WR in the first round. I think they would be more inclined to sign mid level veterans in the FA market or later round picks at WR than a first round pick at the position.


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I like Chris Olave. Great route runner and good hands. Fits the scheme well. Has ability to get deep.

I also like Alabama Junior LB a lot Will Anderson. He is the type linebacker that this defense needs to get nasty.


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An immediate need has either gotten the FA or FA/draft combo treatment (especially depending on how the draft shakes out).

Depending on which is the root cause of our woes on offense, I think we should see a significant change in WR or QB. If Jarvis is on the outs, then you're going to need at least a legit FA WR on the way in and probably at least a depth WR pick. At QB, depending on where your blame-finger is pointing, you are either looking at an upgrade to Baker or are questioning how much you're paying your backup QB who you refuse to put in.


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So who do we take at pick 6?

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Gillian definitely needs to get the hammer !!

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Originally Posted by SuperBrown
So who do we take at pick 6?

Is that too early for the punter?

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Originally Posted by cfrs15
We might have to trade up to get him


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Cade York - Round 1

Matt Araiza - Round 2

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He could be the best punter since Ray Guy.

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That's a big leg, but how well does he control it?

Can he control it, while under pressure and being rushed, approximately the way a golfer can control the distance on a wedge shot?

If we're punting from the 50, we need him to be able to hit it 45 with enough hang for our guys to get there and down it before it hits the endzone.


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As for the Draft.... a LOT depends on what we end up doing in free agency, of course, but we will have a large number of holes to fill, and I think the biggest and most important are Right Tackle and Wide Receiver.... and then Wide Receiver, again.

Njoku may be gone, so we may need a TE, too.

In free agency, we have some big questions to answer at DE and DT. I'd like to see us extend Clowney for three years, and the same for Malik McDowell.
I'm hoping we extend Takk to throw him a bone, but we still need to fill his shoes; that's potentially two higher-end DE's we need.

Fortunately for us, picking in the middle to lower-half of the round as we are likely to be, a lot of our needs are kinda the prime positions in those areas.


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We'll find out three things when it comes to the WR position.

1. Does the FO and coaching staff believe we are in as bad of shape at the position as most of the fans do?

2. Does this FO and coaching staff believe in investing heavily in the WR position at all?

3. Will Landry be returning for another season?


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Like the next episode of SOAP, we'll learn that, and a lot more.


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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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I'm sure our coaching staff has strong opinions on whether our WRs are good enough, are getting open, and Baker just isn't getting them the ball.. or if they are not getting open and are dropping an unacceptable number of balls.

I do not believe they will invest heavily in a WR, thought tie points 2 and 3 together, if they let Landry go, they almost have to make a big push for a WR, either in the draft or in FA... right? We can't go into next season with DPJ, Higgins, Schwartz and JoJo Natson... can we? please tell me we can't do that.


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Originally Posted by cfrs15
Maybe not too early?

Any QBs going to be good enough to take mid first round?


I like Kenny Pickett.


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I think that relies heavily on what you consider a splash to be. I certainly think they will address the position. But I have no idea how far they'll go to address it. Some people think the biggest problem is not having a deep threat. So we could see WR's that most would consider mid tier that address certain aspects of our passing game. There are several WR's that fit such a description. The Adam Thielen's, Courtland Sutton's, and even the Kendrick Bourne's of the NFL. Not what most would consider #1 WR's but well into the upper half of WR's. It wouldn't break the bank to sign this type of WR but it would certainly be an upgrade.

When it comes to the big names, big money guys I'm not too sure.


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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
That's a big leg, but how well does he control it?

He controls it well. He also does kickoffs and is the placekicker.

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Originally Posted by cfrs15
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That's a big leg, but how well does he control it?

He controls it well. He also does kickoffs and is the placekicker.

My son brought him to my attention maybe in mid-October. A weapon no doubt.

He will get selected high for a punter. How high is the question?

My feeling is he doesn't fit all that high on any BPA list just due to the position he plays, and even looking at need he wouldn't be all that high on our list. All of our lists would be different but I think most everybody would have 3-4-5 positions ranked higher.

Next year is a good QB year. I could see the punter come in to play as I think we will be in tradeback mode this year to gain picks for next year. We might select him in one of those trade backs. I mention the QB's because I am not sure if we elect to move forward with Baker after next year and will want extra picks to hedge our bet if we do elect to move on.

As for this year, I think a WR, DT, and another LB will be high on the list of targets depending on how the board starts to fall.


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That's a big leg, but how well does he control it?

He controls it well. He also does kickoffs and is the placekicker.
So is it possible to be the punter and placekicker in today's NFL? Probably not, hasn't happened in like 40 years. I feel like there have been a few teams "splitting duty" at kicker with someone different designated to kick the long FGs. At the end of the day, no real added value there.

I think we spoke about this "Guy" (pun intended lol) before, I don't see him going higher than the 4th round... one reason being all the geeks that devalue punting and think you should go for it on every 4th down.


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He’s definitely not a place kicker in the NFL but he can do kickoffs.

I’d realistically take him in the fourth round.

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