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Rates will always fluctuate among states. Remember the DeSantis debacle?

He wrote this on his computer/phone…. Should we tell him?

Why do you think that is? Is it because, on the average, vaccinated individuals don't spread the virus as well as vaccinated (that is what the data has shown)?

The brawl thing was 100% LeBron, no doubt. The people he got kicked out should be banned from any NBA ever again. They are caught, on camera, wishing his son dies. All over a basketball game? That's not being a snitch, I honestly give him credit for only getting them thrown out.

At least you admit the vaccinated do spread the virus. That's a start.

Anybody with more than 1 working brain cell would know that "90-whatever % effective" means there's a chance to catch the 'rona, and if you have it you can spread it.

But you didn't answer my (or your own) question. Are you just trying to lob a grenade into the thread and then walking away?

If my telling the truth about the vaccinated spreading and catching Covid is never discussed or asking why natural immunity is never considered,
is lobbing grenades, I would have to say yours is a very emotional response to the truth.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2021/n...udge-orders-hospital-to-allow-ivermectin

I swear the FDA and CDC want people to die from this virus. Why hospitals refuse therapeutic treatments is beyond me. I am not anti vax. But that should be only 1 way to treat the virus not the only way.

Fox Settled a Lawsuit Over Its Lies. But It Insisted on One Unusual Condition.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/business/media/fox-news-seth-rich-settlement.html

Fox News Finally Admits It’s Not News

https://www.theroot.com/fox-news-finally-admits-it-s-not-news-1830256880

Fox News won a court case by 'persuasively' arguing that no 'reasonable viewer' takes Tucker Carlson seriously

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9

Fox News sued by Dominion Voting Systems over election fraud claims
It is the fifth billion-dollar lawsuit filed by an election company over false claims that the 2020 election was rigged.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/fox-news-hit-16-billion-lawsuit-election-fraud-claims-rcna520

It appears you are confused about the difference between truth and truthiness. For your future reference.....

Definition of truthiness
: a truthful or seemingly truthful quality that is claimed for something not because of supporting facts or evidence but because of a feeling that it is true or a desire for it to be true.

You're welcome.

It's fine for you to believe it. But the evidence does not support it. Some people have listened to the science all along no matter who the president was. Sadly, when Trump was president we had to make a choice of listening to him or Faucci and health experts. Many of us chose the health experts. Many chose Trump and the conspiracies. None of that has changed even though who the president is has.

Sadly some people can't come to grips with the fact that science isn't political.

Yes, with even more evidence. Thanks for that.

I hope people remember this brilliant quote by Trump..... "If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases".

You threw a question out there (why is nobody discussing virus spread via vaccinated), I asked for your own opinion and you don't give it. That's pretty much the definition of lobbing grenades.

Corporate firewall blocked your link, so I can't read it. The Merck website (creator and manufacturer of Ivermectin) says not to take Ivermectin to treat COVID. Merck has also just received EUA for a separate COVID anti-viral treatment. Summary: the big, evil, money-hungry Pharma Co. spent the $$$ to develop and test a separate COVID treatment instead of pushing Ivermectin.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ng-for-covid-heres-what-you-need-to-know

The answer is pretty obvious even though he pretends he doesn't know the answer. It's because 90% of the people hospitalized and dying are the unvaccinated. They pretend like the biggest goal here is to end Covid even though they've been told over and over again the main goal is to help stop hospitalizations, long haul covid symptoms and deaths. They try to act like cutting those things by 90% is a failure and we should be focusing on the other 10%. Nothing morew than a bait and switch con game.

They pretend only one side is spoon fed but you see all of the right wing talking points in their posts.

Yeah, but I mean you're talking about science. You're talking facts here. We can't have any of that.

Here's the long and short of it. He's trying to use an article where a person who was given Ivermectin survived Covid when he was really in bad shape. Now remember, this is coming from the same crowd that points out that Covid only kills 1% or less of people who get Covid. So he is trying to now claim that because one of the 99% that survive was given Ivermectin, it must have been that which saved his life.

You would think people couldn't make such crazy BS up. But not only did someone make this up, another one believed it so much he posted it on this very message board.

If you could see the article. An elderly man from Illinois was in the hospital on a vent. for 3 weeks. His Daughter went to court to have him treated with Ivermectin because the hospital refused to treat him with that drug. She won in court and her Father was given the Ivermectin treatment. After 4 days he was manually feeding himself and sent home from the hospital.

So he survived like the other 99% of those who contract Covid.

Because of Ivermectin. They is more than 1 way to treat this virus. Not offering therapeutics to patients is killing people.

How do you know it was because of Ivermectin? Many people on deaths door recover from Covid. What evidence do you have that Ivermectin is the actual reason in this case?

Was Ivermectin the only treatment administered or was it administered with other treatments?

Read the article. I said the Vax is only 1 way to combat the virus. It should not be the only way. Every tool at hospitals disposals should be used.

You did not answer the question. How do you know it's a fact that the reason he survived Covid was because of Ivermectin? Many people who never used Ivermectin came back from nearly dying from Covid. I mean if you have no actual evidence to support your claim you can always just say so.

One thing I've noticed is that many of the stories championing the use of Ivermectin sorta minimize the fact that it's used alongside other treatments (usually remdesivir and/or monoclonal antibodies, which are approved treatments for COVID). I vaguely remember that something in Ivermectin can have a positive effect on someone who is severely affected by COVID.

Much like yourself, I have a problem with the isolated incidents where people claim "Ivermectin saved me!" in and of itself. Even Trump who was advocating unproven medications for covid, when he actually got Covid used monoclonal antibodies as you mentioned rather than the quackery he was promoting.

Christian television network founder and preacher Marcus Lamb, who discouraged vaccinations, dies after being hospitalized for Covid-19

Prominent Christian televangelist and anti-vaccine advocate Marcus Lamb died after being hospitalized with Covid-19, his family announced Tuesday.
Lamb founded Christian television network Daystar Television Network in 1997.

His wife Joni Lamb, announced the televangelist's death on Daystar's program streamed to Facebook Tuesday. She said her husband had diabetes but was healthy and was hospitalized after being diagnosed with Covid-19.

"He never talked about that, but he had diabetes, but he kept it in check. He was very healthy, he ate healthy, he kept his weight down, and always kept his sugar at a good level. But with trying to treat Covid and the pneumonia, the different protocols that are used, including many of the protocols we talked about here on Daystar, and we used those, and I used them and breezed through Covid.

It caused his blood sugar to spike and just a decrease in his oxygen and that's why he went to the hospital, so he could have oxygen," Joni Lamb said. "He 100% believed in everything that we've talked about here on Daystar and helping so many people around the world with early protocol treatments for Covid. We still stand by that, obviously."

Joni Lamb said her husband's "heart just gave out."
Marcus Lamb often spoke out against the Covid-19 vaccines on his show. In an episode earlier this year featuring anti-vaccine activists Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Del Bigtree, Lamb said the Covid-19 vaccine was "not really a vaccine," but an "an experimental shot" that was "dangerous. Marcus Lamb alleged that people were dying or having neurological disorders from the vaccine.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say Covid-19 vaccines "are safe and effective" and that any adverse events after vaccination "are rare but may occur." People who are not vaccinated against Covid-19 were 11 times more likely to die of the disease and 10 times more likely to be hospitalized with the disease, according to a study published by the CDC.

Marcus Lamb's son, Jonathan Lamb, described his father's Covid-19 diagnosis as a "spiritual attack from the enemy" as he hosted the show on November 23. "There's no doubt in my mind that this is a spiritual attack from the enemy. As much as my parents have gone on here to kind of inform everyone about everything going on in the pandemic and some of the ways to treat Covid, there's no doubt that the enemy is not happy about that, and he's doing everything he can to take down my dad," Jonathan Lamb said.

Joni Lamb described the illness as "riding a roller coaster" on that same episode. She asked people in November to "pray specifically for [Lamb's] lungs to clear, the Covid pneumonia, and pray for his oxygen levels to continue to be strong and to go up and so that we can wean him off of oxygen and then bring him home."

A statement from Daystar Television Network said in part, "The family asks at this time that their privacy be respected as they grieve this difficult loss, and they wish to express their deep love and gratitude for all those who prayed during Marcus's health battle. Continue to lift them up in prayer in the days ahead."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/media/marcus-lamb-covid-death/index.html

Sadly there are just some people beyond help even up until their deaths. and now the son is going on with some even crazier BS and blaming it some invisible enemy that killed his father.

I believe you Day. I believe you read that in an article. However, I don't know how much of the 'ivermectin helps' part to believe. But I would do the same if all other treatments were failing, and I was trying to save my wife. I believe in the science first, doctor's experience and training next, and throwing the kitchen sink at it after all else fails.

Being on a vent and receiving around the clock ICU treatment for 3 wks had nothing to do with his recovery. It was the Ivermectin. Come on, man.

Just saying what the article said. I do not know them personally. I do know when I got the Rona. and this was before the Vax was available (so Pit can exhale). I asked the Dr what does he prescribe to combat the virus. He said just take over the counter medication. Once I was told I was no longer quarantined then that idiot gave me a prescription for my cough. I got nothing for 10 days. That is stupidity at it's finest. My son in law was told by his Dr when he was diagnosed with Rona "Good Luck". My beef is that due to the politicization of the virus medical professionals are not using everything at their disposal to combat the virus. I can easily see why people die. They are not getting proper treatments. I went to my car I prayed that God would keep it out of my lungs and he made sure I was OK. I found no help in the medical professionals.

Bla bla bla...you win

Yes, and I remember the left going on and on about how poorly the red states are handling covid. Now that the blue states are spiking? Not a peep from any of them. Yet they claim they are not being political.

Here is another link:

Dying COVID-19 Patient Recovers After Court Orders Hospital to Administer Ivermectin

https://www.theepochtimes.com/dying...ource=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge

I was trying to avoid making this a right vs left thing because it’s silly when it comes to a disease, but I obviously failed. It just so happens that I disagree with certain strategies. Different regions will have fluctuations. I brought up the DeSantis debacle because he had taken a hard stance against allowing his communities to make certain calls, which to me, actually breaks a core conservative rule which I advocate for of allowing the closer governments to manage as they see fit. Florida netted 116/100K at that time I believe and I don’t know if a number worse than that.

The bottom line though is that people are going to do what they’re going to do in each state. Florida is well…full of Florida men. My brother lives in Michigan and I don’t think you will find a more die hard Trump supporter than him. Has a house up north. Every yard in his neighborhood had a Trump sign when we visited in the summer of 2020. Refused to wear a mask and refuses to get the jab. He was one of the numbers for Michigan recently because he and his wife caught COVID. Got hit hard. He was able to recover but she went to the hospital. Recovered now thank goodness.

Painting a broad brush across a state I think is falling more into the classification game we’re all playing of one side good other side bad, regardless of the policy. DeWine is a Republican and instituted many policies at the forefront that differed from a lot of other Republicans. It’s not as black and white as people want it to be, even though many want to dumb down their brains and draw lines in the sand or make perfect little boxes.

What is your stance on defense spending?

Fox News Finally Admits It’s Not News

https://www.theroot.com/fox-news-finally-admits-it-s-not-news-1830256880



You really should read some of your links before you spam the board with them.

This is half right. Big Pharma won this one. Forcing mandates for profit though, that doesn't really compute since Trump whimsically gave them a blank check, more or less. But it was a “SAVE US!” moment and anyone can understand the great negotiator just saying do whatever it takes, the government will pay for it.

The govt doesnt pay for it. The tax payers pay for it. Which, Im fine with until the tax payers start paying for other country's vaccinations.

Both sides have donated vaccines around the world. Compassion, urgency, and a world effort to get this thing under control… Those were their pitiful reasons for doing it, shameful! smh

EDIT: BTW, our tax dollars haven't paid for much of anything yet, that's why we have the huge debt and deficits.