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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
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Some people don't understand. It is what it is.

They would much rather believe what they are spoon feed by the media. Sheep to the slaughter!

rolleyes The right saying things like this about the left is just hilarious.


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Yeah, it's pretty funny. You can read their post and compare them to the FOX News, OAN and Newsmax headlines and they are often times almost identical. They play rinse and repeat as much as anyone.


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And reading the posts from you guys is like following the liars on CNN who are losing their jobs for being corrupt.

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It's not my fault that comprehension is not your strong suit.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Some people don't understand. It is what it is.

They would much rather believe what they are spoon feed by the media. Sheep to the slaughter!

On that note...


Fox News Channel thumps CNN, MSNBC during jam-packed November

Fox News had 71 of the 100 most-watched cable telecasts of the month, compared to zero for CNN and MSNBC

https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-november-ratings

People know where to tune for Truth!

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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
[quote=Ballpeen]Some people don't understand. It is what it is.

They would much rather believe what they are spoon feed by the media. Sheep to the slaughter!

rolleyes The right saying things like this about the left is just hilarious.[/quote\ My comment about "people' wasn't slanted towards any political group. It was pointed at people who don't understand court procedure and why things transpire as they do.

Again, my comment wasn't about the right or left. I just wanted to clear that up.

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Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
Fox News had 71 of the 100 most-watched cable telecasts of the month, compared to zero for CNN and MSNBC

https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-november-ratings

People know where to tune for Truth!

Fox and "Truth" should only be in the same sentence when the word "Not" is also present. The idea that you want to tout a propaganda machine like Fox as "Truth" - says absolutely everything. And if you ever catch me promoting MSNBC or some left leaning media outlet as "Truth" you can say the same thing back to be - but I don't, so you won't.

As for bragging about the popularity and audience size for your Faux News channel - next week you'll be playing victim and crying about liberal media bias. Then the week after that you'll be echoing Trump's latest call to boycott a company - while also crying victim about cancel culture. You guys are predictable if nothing else.


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We have watched for years now as you and others post things from CNN, MSNBC, The Washington Post, and others
that are later retracted because they were politically motivated lies or poorly sourced.

FOX was on the other side of those stories and was proved right in the end,

Personally, I follow FOX and ABC to get a better picture of the actual News of the world around me.

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Oh please. They're all garbage. We've discussed this before, but this actually came from the opinion of a federal judge:

Just read U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil's opinion, leaning heavily on the arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "

She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."

...but they don't.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/9177...ker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye

And I know I'm targeting you, but they're all trash. Maddow, Fox and Friends, whoever. It's all bloviating garbage where they try to rile you up and for some reason, people can't avoid the fear porn for the facts.


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I honestly can’t figure out why anyone would watch any of those types of opinion news shows. Left or right. There’s nothing informative or entertaining to them. But I guess The Bachelor has ratings… so…

Trash tv with trash tv viewers.


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Idiocracy.


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What is possibly more idiotic than coming on here and spewing untruths that are later retracted and proven false?

Collusion
Dossier
Russian Traitor President
Quid Pro Quo
Ritty is guilty of murder
Smollett was attacked by White supremacists'

on and on...

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Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
What is possibly more idiotic than coming on here and spewing untruths that are later retracted and proven false?

Collusion
Dossier
Russian Traitor President
Quid Pro Quo
Ritty is guilty of murder
Smollett was attacked by White supremacists'

on and on...

Because all they know is what they are told by the media. The left does not think for themselves. The are sheep being led to the slaughter. Please give us a hand out!!! Please make everything fair!!! Come on government help us. We don't have the gumption to help ourselves!!!


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What I have noticed is their brains shut down as they get sucked into the emotions of every story.

Very emotional and hateful people sometimes.

Their bellies must burn a lot.

Sad.

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Always seem to have the hair on fire about everything. I would hate to be as miserable as most of them seem to be. Hates the Country they live in. The greatest Country in the history of the World!


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
What is possibly more idiotic than coming on here and spewing untruths that are later retracted and proven false?

Collusion
Dossier
Russian Traitor President
Quid Pro Quo
Ritty is guilty of murder
Smollett was attacked by White supremacists'

on and on...

Because all they know is what they are told by the media. The left does not think for themselves. The are sheep being led to the slaughter. Please give us a hand out!!! Please make everything fair!!! Come on government help us. We don't have the gumption to help ourselves!!!

Fox Settled a Lawsuit Over Its Lies. But It Insisted on One Unusual Condition.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/business/media/fox-news-seth-rich-settlement.html

Fox News Finally Admits It’s Not News

https://www.theroot.com/fox-news-finally-admits-it-s-not-news-1830256880

Fox News won a court case by 'persuasively' arguing that no 'reasonable viewer' takes Tucker Carlson seriously

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9

Fox News sued by Dominion Voting Systems over election fraud claims
It is the fifth billion-dollar lawsuit filed by an election company over false claims that the 2020 election was rigged.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/fox-news-hit-16-billion-lawsuit-election-fraud-claims-rcna520

It appears you are confused about the difference between truth and truthiness. For your future reference.....

Definition of truthiness
: a truthful or seemingly truthful quality that is claimed for something not because of supporting facts or evidence but because of a feeling that it is true or a desire for it to be true.

You were saying?

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Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
We have watched for years now as you and others post things from CNN, MSNBC, The Washington Post, and others
that are later retracted because they were politically motivated lies or poorly sourced.

FOX was on the other side of those stories and was proved right in the end,

Personally, I follow FOX and ABC to get a better picture of the actual News of the world around me.

40, you are so full of BS... Geez.. The only reason you think FOX is right is because it's what you want to believe.. And that's because you are a Trump Humper.


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That's a nice echo chamber you two have going.

Idiocracy works both ways, 40. How many times have we discussed Alex Jones and the Big Lie on here, among other things? Do Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity introduce hard facts, or is it possible that they play off that emotion and hatred that you bring up?

It's interesting that Portland, who is left leaning on most topics, and whom often disagree with, but respect, offered a critique of both sides of the media, while the two of you - among others - have become so riled up that you would rather work yourselves into a like-minded frenzy vs trying to be objective.

Carry on.


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Truthiness in action.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Always seem to have the hair on fire about everything. I would hate to be as miserable as most of them seem to be. Hates the Country they live in. The greatest Country in the history of the World!

Please show me one liberal-minded person on this board who "hates this country" and is "miserable"?

I've been thorough in my critique of where the Democrats are currently, Biden, and several left-leaning policies, but never in any one of my disagreements with people who are liberal leaning on this board have I ever thought either of those about them.

You can use childish pejoratives, like Demoncrats, and whatever you desire, because you have to. You have to demonize them, because there is a certain amount of fear and loathing required, because under all that, there is a deep fear that maybe, just maybe they might be rational in their thoughts and have valid points.

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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Always seem to have the hair on fire about everything. I would hate to be as miserable as most of them seem to be. Hates the Country they live in. The greatest Country in the history of the World!

What's so great about it? Please elaborate. What you might think is great, might be horrible for somebody else… That's a right-wing trait, after all.


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Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
What I have noticed is their brains shut down as they get sucked into the emotions of every story.

Very emotional and hateful people sometimes.

Their bellies must burn a lot.

Sad.

Typical trolling and baiting from you. No fact. Lot's of dog whistles and parroting of the Alt Right propaganda machine. You are like a parody. It'd be better if you WERE a Russian Bot here to spew this sort of hate - but instead it's pretty sad that there is a grown man spamming this chit and smirking behind his keyboard.


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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Always seem to have the hair on fire about everything. I would hate to be as miserable as most of them seem to be. Hates the Country they live in. The greatest Country in the history of the World!

What's so great about it? Please elaborate. What you might think is great, might be horrible for somebody else… That's a right-wing trait, after all.

No Country ever in existence since the world began has allowed their citizens more freedom. That is why we can come on here and have differing opinions. More people have been freed from slavery, oppression, fascism, communism, and you can go on from this Country than any other around the globe. There is a reason why people have flocked to this Country to seek asylum.

A person can be whoever they want to be in this Country. It all depends on how hard they are willing to work for it. No other Country produces rags to riches like this Country has.

You can worship in whatever religion you want. No state run religion.

There has never been as free a people as the citizens of the United States of America. In quite a few Countries homosexuals are put to death yet. In quite a few Countries women do not have the same rights as men. People are born equals in this Country. Same rights no matter race, age, color, etc...

I could go on and on!!!


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
I could go on and on!!!

Yes you could. Though not quite accurately even to this point.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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I could go on and on!!!

Yes you could. Though not quite accurately even to this point.

What was not accurate? We live in the freest Country in the World.


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Freedom is one of the most important factors influencing a person's everyday quality of life. In addition to making it easier to live one's life, human freedom recognizes individuals' dignity and is inherently valuable, playing a vital role in human progress.

Despite this importance, determining which countries' citizens have the most freedom can be challenging to do so objectively. Fortunately, individual indices can be used to determine which countries have the highest level of human freedom.
Introducing the Human Freedom Index

The Cato Institute in Washington DC and the Fraser Institute in Vancouver, Canada co-published the annual Human Freedom Index Report for 2020, which helps observe relationships between freedom and other social and economic phenomena.

The Human Freedom Index Report for 2020 ranked 162 countries in two distinct categories: Personal Freedom and Economic Freedom, which are then combined to form the final Human Freedom score. This score is then compared to that of other nations to determine which countries are the freest in the world.

Top 10 Freest Countries in the World - 2020 Human Freedom Index

New Zealand - 8.87
Switzerland - 8.82
Hong Kong (China) - 8.74
Denmark - 8.73
Australia - 8.68
Canada - 8.64
Ireland - 8.62
Estonia - 8.54
Germany - 8.52 (tie)
Sweden - 8.52 (tie)

Types of Freedom

Personal freedom is defined as an individual's freedom of opinion and expression, equality before the courts, security of private property, and freedom to come and go. For example, the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights in the United States Constitution lists several personal freedoms that are guaranteed to all U.S. citizens.

Economic freedom, also known as economic liberty, consists of personal choice, voluntary exchange, freedom to compete in markets, and protection of person and property. Economic freedom enables people to prosper in a country without intervention from the government or economic authority. Economic freedom can be seen in capitalism or "laissez-faire" economies, where the means of production (manufacturers or suppliers) are privately owned and the government has little to no control over businesses.

On the human freedom scale at the link you will see we rank 17th in the human freedom category.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freest-countries


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Freedom is one of the most important factors influencing a person's everyday quality of life. In addition to making it easier to live one's life, human freedom recognizes individuals' dignity and is inherently valuable, playing a vital role in human progress.

Despite this importance, determining which countries' citizens have the most freedom can be challenging to do so objectively. Fortunately, individual indices can be used to determine which countries have the highest level of human freedom.
Introducing the Human Freedom Index

The Cato Institute in Washington DC and the Fraser Institute in Vancouver, Canada co-published the annual Human Freedom Index Report for 2020, which helps observe relationships between freedom and other social and economic phenomena.

The Human Freedom Index Report for 2020 ranked 162 countries in two distinct categories: Personal Freedom and Economic Freedom, which are then combined to form the final Human Freedom score. This score is then compared to that of other nations to determine which countries are the freest in the world.

Top 10 Freest Countries in the World - 2020 Human Freedom Index

New Zealand - 8.87
Switzerland - 8.82
Hong Kong (China) - 8.74
Denmark - 8.73
Australia - 8.68
Canada - 8.64
Ireland - 8.62
Estonia - 8.54
Germany - 8.52 (tie)
Sweden - 8.52 (tie)

Types of Freedom

Personal freedom is defined as an individual's freedom of opinion and expression, equality before the courts, security of private property, and freedom to come and go. For example, the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights in the United States Constitution lists several personal freedoms that are guaranteed to all U.S. citizens.

Economic freedom, also known as economic liberty, consists of personal choice, voluntary exchange, freedom to compete in markets, and protection of person and property. Economic freedom enables people to prosper in a country without intervention from the government or economic authority. Economic freedom can be seen in capitalism or "laissez-faire" economies, where the means of production (manufacturers or suppliers) are privately owned and the government has little to no control over businesses.

On the human freedom scale at the link you will see we rank 17th in the human freedom category.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freest-countries

Just the simple fact that a city in China is listed makes this study almost laughable. China is well known for oppression of it's people.


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Once again it seems you know not of what you speak.....

Hong Kong is a special administrative region of China and is an "inalienable part" of the country. Due to its special status, Hong Kong is able to exercise a high degree of autonomy and enjoy executive, legislative, and independent judicial power.


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Only for those who refuse to believe facts over rhetoric. Brother, we've ALL been indoctrinated into the “America is GREAT” and “America is BEST” our entire lives. BUT when you actually start looking into the facts, it doesn't add up. Now, I'm not saying that America is not great or somehow lesser than other countries, I'm saying those ingrained beliefs and claims of greatness are based more on rhetoric than fact.


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I don't know much about Hong Kong to be honest, but China actually trying to infringe on some of those freedoms is why Hong Kong was up in arms the way it was last year, so it's definitely not your standard Chinese city.

That being said, I definitely enjoy my country, enjoy its diversity, enjoy its foundation of giving power to the people, enjoy the cultures and variances among cities. I think the greater overall point is that you can love your country and want to improve upon it. I think most people take that stance, but are labeled as hating the country.


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That's always been my stance. Then you have the "love it or leave it" crowd. This is as much my country as it is anyone elses. As with anything that's ran by humans, it has its flaws. So I have one of two choices. Abandon it because it's not perfect, or do everything within my power to make it better. If the "love it or leave it" crowd had been listened to throughout our nations history, we would still have slavery, women wouldn't be able to vote, there would still be Jim Crow laws in the south and Civl rights would never have been.

It's those who stood up to help change this country that's made it what it is today. Which gives me hope it can be even better tomorrow.


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Just the simple fact that a city in China is listed makes this study almost laughable. China is well known for oppression of it's people.

Home Kong is a separate sovereign community, formerly under British colonial rule. It's official designation is Special Administrative Region.

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As one of China's two special administrative regions (the other being Macau), Hong Kong maintains separate governing and economic systems from that of mainland China under the principle of "one country, two systems".[22][f]

DotD: China is trying to assert dominance, but for the past century, Hong Kong has been a slappin', forward-thinking cosmopolitan district at the front edge of modern civilization.


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or do everything within my power to make it better.

So in other words, you have done nothing. Right?

I really don't mean that as a jab. I don't really understand comments like that. People say that, but what have they actually done to make it better?


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
No Country ever in existence since the world began has allowed their citizens more freedom.

No other Country produces rags to riches like this Country has.

There has never been as free a people as the citizens of the United States of America.

Three specific claims - all false. The narrative that America is the Land of Opportunity was once true. But in today's tech world, the opportunities are global.

Talk about indoctrinated.


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Oh....my comment can apply to me as well. I know of things I do or have done that may have helped some people, but I don't know that those would qualify as making the country better.

..maybe it is just all the small things we do that add up.


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Originally Posted by mgh888
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No Country ever in existence since the world began has allowed their citizens more freedom.

No other Country produces rags to riches like this Country has.

There has never been as free a people as the citizens of the United States of America.

Three specific claims - all false. The narrative that America is the Land of Opportunity was once true. But in today's tech world, the opportunities are global.

Talk about indoctrinated.


I disagree. Why do people still flock to this country? The land of opportunity doesn't just mean starting a google...it includes the pizza shop down at the corner


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by mgh888
Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
No Country ever in existence since the world began has allowed their citizens more freedom.

No other Country produces rags to riches like this Country has.

There has never been as free a people as the citizens of the United States of America.

Three specific claims - all false. The narrative that America is the Land of Opportunity was once true. But in today's tech world, the opportunities are global.

Talk about indoctrinated.


I disagree. Why do people still flock to this country? The land of opportunity doesn't just mean starting a google...it includes the pizza shop down at the corner

Exactly. President Reagan was correct when he said this Country is a "City on a hill". A shining light to the rest of the World.


Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
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We're the only country with an open border policy rofl


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