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1. So, um, we cannot abandon the run early.

2. Saw an article where we might put Hunt and Chubb on the field at the same time. They are perhaps our best players on O, let’s put them to work. Get creative but don’t be cute about it

3. Somebody has to step up and open the downfield passing game. Looking at you, DPJ, and #84 as well. I’d maybe start spreading the field, keep a TE in to chip for our RT, but mix it up . Whatever we’ve been doing has severely sucked.

4. This is without a doubt a must-win. We lose this we aren’t going to the playoffs.

5. On D, pressure Lamar. Our defence played more than well enough to win two weeks ago, it’s up to the offence to play complementary football and save our season.

6. Our kicker has to stop missing kicks.

7. Can we not show that we are an intelligent football team that doesn’t commit stupid penalties, of the pre-snap variety?

It’s embarrassing. So just stop it.

Be able to pass the ball?

https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/1468351450279522308

The Ravens treated Baker Mayfield like he was Cody Kessler and he failed. The most important factor for us to beat Baltimore is for our QB to be competent.

NO!

Anyone hear if the Ravens CB injury issues have improved?

Line up Hunt as a TE.. Have Chubb & D'E Johnson in the I formation.

This.

Had we been able to do this 2 weeks ago, we win the game. Baltimore took away the run, and even with a depleted secondary opened the door for us to win the game in the air. Instead of going through the door we walked into the wall.

Given our reluctance to make adjustments, I would start off doing the same thing if I were them.

I think if a team wants to so over-commit to stopping the run like Balt did, we actually need to feed them a steady dose of Hunt. Dude is more than capable running the ball, but more importantly is a terror catching it out in space. The talking heads pointed something out that was really interesting. The threat of Hunt leaking out of the backfield after a chip caused the CB to shade much closer to the line of scrimmage, opening up space behind him for the WR.

Both of our RBs present threats to the offense, but Hunt might actually be extra key here.

The inability of our offense to make PLAYS is a killer. We just don’t generate any offense, especially when it’s nut crunching time. An arthritic Big Ben gave the Steelers more of a chance than baker does for us.

I also think the loss of Njoku will loom large. Our WRs have crashed and burned.

This is satire.

Commit to the run, receivers catch the ball when thrown, and don’t throw bad passes that lead to picks.

Appeal to authority.

“Kurt Warner said so so it must be true! He posted a film study of the whole first half that aligns with exactly what I think!”

We got Baltimore right where we want 'em! Harbaugh won't know what hit him.

Warner broke down one half of the last three games. All that does is look at one sixth of the evidence over the last three weeks. It is what it is and it's not what it's not.

Surprise! We’re starting Felton at right tackle.

Roger Brown sez word on the street is they're bringing back Ryan Tucker.

Nope, Myles Garret. He will play iron man football for the rest of the season.

I have to say that Stefanski comment is laughable. Like Hudson, Blake or what's his name is going to scare the Rats?

#championship




This warms my cold, dead heart.

Gotta admit, I haven’t read the entire thread. BUT I’m pissed off, so...
I don’t give a spit if they pack 8 in the box. Attack a gap based on the previous pre-play alignment. No RT and down 2 TE’s makes it hard. If it was easy everybody would do it. We have the best RB in football. Bend them to our will and then hit a deep seam or corner off the play fake.

We shouldn’t even be in the conversation based on our play at this point in the season, but if hope lives... Bring ‘da ruckus! Have to win the division. LET’S GO!!!

‘Cuz when the gloves fall, you don’t wanna be the one who backed the DAWG against the wall!

Was Ski on the cover of Maden ?

While this does seem to be an extreme measure, there have been times this season where I am all for it.

What’s wrong with THROW LONG?

Of course.


Appeal to authority. Again. Also, this Kurt Warner?:

Does Warner believe Mayfield, 26, can reach the point where he's capable of consistently elevating the Browns?

“What I've seen from Baker, I would say no,” Warner said. “I would say I haven't seen him show me that he can be that guy. I'm only going to go off of what I've seen up to this point. I'm looking at tape. I'm not seeing him every day in practice. I don't know the makeup of him in the room. I don't know some of the X factors that go into it.

“Simply by looking at the tape, I haven't seen good enough consistency by him to say that he can be a franchise guy at this point. I'm not in the business of having to project out two years. I'm just simply going off what he's done in these four years, and I just think he's been wildly inconsistent and inconsistent enough that I'm saying to myself, 'I'm not banking on this guy carrying me to a Super Bowl if he can't put together games in a season at a certain level of consistency that you need from that position.'”

“There's only so many guys that are franchise guys, guys that can carry your team, guys that you can put the ball in their hands and expect them to win games for you regardless of what else is going on around them,” Warner said. “There's only so many of those. He is not that guy. So, to me, you have him under [contract] for another year, you play it out, or at least play it out halfway through the year, and you see what you have."

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story...terback-ravens-lamar-jackson/6442742001/


I don't have fake hatred or real hatred. I can just be objective while others, like eotab, can't be.


I never said that. But would it be surprising if we did? Teams blow the first pick all the time.


You said it, not me.

This will require its own thread and/or forum.

I respectfully disagree.

This will require a dedicated open-source website, backed up by a server farm the size of Tesla's Gigafactory.

3 and out:

1. Defense BAL like we did in Game One.
2. Catch the passes that should be caught/move the chains.
3. Give BAL a steady diet of Chubb/Hunt actively inserted into the 3-step/5-step short passing game. Put'em on the field together. For the entire game.
(If you get 24 or 27 the ball in open space, you are almost guaranteed a first down, and any of those plays are also a threat to go ------> House.

CLE can beat this team.
BAL's record is far more impressive than their performances in many of those wins.

It's step up time for CLE/2021.

If CLE can't win this one, they don't deserve a playoff spot. Simple as that. It's a divisional game. These are the games that define you. If you don't have what it takes to kick the s# out of your own family, you don't deserve to kick the s# out of strangers in The Big Game. That's how all of this is supposed to work.

I'm actually looking forward to this game.
Because I get the feeling that the team sees it the same way.

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I think a lot depends on Hunt's health. He was on a pitch count last game and was not available late. Schematically, I think guys like him and Njoku SHOULD (emphasizing the operative word here) continue to have the Ravens crowd the box and make them pay (Njoku and Hunt are matchup nightmares out in patterns). I think KS's scheme of emphasizing the run and having many plays off of the same look should allow them to be featured/flourish.

Is Njoku playing, did he clear Covid protocols?

Either way, beating Baltimore.
UPPP TOOO 138 rushing attempts, AT, Greattter Thannn, 2.9 yards per carry, for 400+ rush yards and 6 rushing touchdowns.
(it's called the detriot lions model) and then beat them on the last play of the game.

A couple dozen quarterback sneaks thrown in there, those are usually positive yards plays. every bit counts.

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/baltimore-ravens-lose-star-cornerback-marlon-humphrey-for-season
Ravens lost Marlon Humphrey for the season, (shoulder), but that was 5 days ago. They already were without Marcus Peters from the last time the Browns and ravens played 2 weeks ago. I don't know if they signed any corners.
Expect a lot of disguised blitzes to make up for it.

We showed no signs of being able to stop what they were doing, so I'd expect them to come out doing more of the same. We were going at Humphrey a lot in the last game, so I reckon we'll be going at whomever fills in for him this game.

I want to offer another attack philosophy, not to disagree or argue. Attack and break their strength. Like BB taking one thing away.

Doing this may involve different personnel in different formations. Three TEs hasn't gotten enough done; let's put all three of our best backs out there. Put our best play-breakers out there. We can use space better, seams more, screens, and just be aggressive on O. Our defense can't hand Baker the ball four times again. Can't count on it. But we need to pound some mismatches and win some private one-man wars IMO. Time to get the play caller in the game rather than treating us to another snappy blame-taking interview after the loss. I want a little fury out of our survivors. Get dangerous!

Unleash the Elves!

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So is he saying the D is going to roll over again like the Cheatriot game?

So if we win tomorrow we can talk about the playoffs. If we lose we can start discussing prospects in the draft. We're good at that.

....but it's not October.

Run Run and Run ...

There is zero chance the Browns are winning tomorrow.

Take the Ravens on the moneyline. Easy money.

What is the line?

Money line? Ravens +130

Repeat post for this thread:

The Browns just released JaMarcus Bradley...Baker's WR/TE pass-catching options tomorrow are as follows:

Landry - Limited all week in practice...dinged up for most of the year

DPJ - Hopefully fully healthy and developing from his 6th Rd, 2nd year player status

Higgins - Not good enough to play last game ahead of JaMarcus Bradley

JoJo Natson - 2nd straight week call-up from the practice squad

Hooper - Yeah...Hooper

Miller Foristall - Call-up from the practice squad...He's tall


Hmmm...I wonder if the Ravens will dare us to throw...I know I would.

Higgins didn't play because he doesn't play special teams. A perpetual problem for him.

I've read that from KS before...and I want to believe it...BUT...Higgins still won't play special teams today and a guy who played at WR last week - while Higgins sat - not only won't play today...he's not even on the team anymore.

We have to do something today that Baltimore doesn't expect. Try a long pass on the 1st play or a screen but do what they don't expect it may open things up and set a precedent for the game.

....against an eight man front and then ask yourself why it didn't work.

You are your record, after all. I want our win to be a "no-doubter" today. The biggest threat is our sideline; need to go after the Ratters with everything and do that relentlessly. Said before, we can crack their nut mentally and pour it to them, but it has to be crushing and come out with points. We saw that takeaways are not enough. Beat them to ribbons with the kitchen sink. Today.

Unleash the Elves!

So you are saying abandon the run?

Hey! Its Don Henley! He gets a peaceful, easy feeling when we run the ball.

No, I'm saying you need to loosen up that seven and eight man front to succeed in the running game. If you can't show them you can pass the ball they have zero reason to loosen up that front and trying to "run the damn ball and don't stop" is an exercise in futility against an eight man front. As of now they have no reason to drop safeties into the secondary. That keeps them both up front to help in run support.

This really isn't complicated and is basic football. If your opponent is selling out to stop the run, you use the pass to loosen up the defense which in turn opens up the run. If your opponent is selling out to stop the pass, you use the run to get the defense to respect the run which will open up the pass. What I'm saying is that you can't "RELY on a heavy run game to succeed if they keep eight men in the box". You never abandon the run. But this whole notion of the way to win is to have a heavy run to pass ratio against an eight man front is fools gold.

Before every game we play it's the same old story. We get excited as Browns fans that today's game will be different. We will come out and dominate and finally beat an opponent from the 1st minute to the final one. More often than not we don't play well. Even with some of the wins it doesn't feel like a win. We find ourselves angry, frustrated, disgusted, and wonder why we even bother to have any interest. I want today to be exactly the opposite but I have that sinking empty feeling it will be more of the same. I hope I'm totally wrong.

I hope we win. It could be a huge turnaround point for us. We need this win badly

Excellent d
Get the offensive line fired up to punch Baltimore in the mouth.
Offense when you catch the deep throws take it to the house.

Technically I was correct.