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You can if you're not posting them on Twitter.

Go pound salt. That's not a tantrum, just an appropriate response to your endless B.S. on this topic. I don't need to pass you anything.

As for your comment - I think everything Baker has gone through including the good, bad, the growth and the regression together with any specific identifiable challenges - should be considered.

There may be a huge difference between what you think and what the FO thinks. I don't think they will be placing what he did three or four years ago into their evaluation very highly if at all. I mean is that how they do things where you work? Yes, it reads very much like a tantrum. You seem to think anything that goes against your narrative is BS. What else would you call that?

Like you just did, again?

You're leading by example. Should I go over to your GNT thread and trash that up for you?

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If you want. Have at it. I noticed you didn't congratulate them, or make any comment about them or the show in your last post there - so, you went off topic already. Bet you'll continue.

I'm following along with your theme on that one.

One should be careful of the seeds they plant. Often times it will cause that tree to bear bitter fruit.

I'm absolutely certain posters can read for themselves and decide who is being obtuse. People disagree all the time - I mentioned that a few posts ago. I have no problem with that. I stated so. There is no BS in that. What is BS is your constant moving of the goal posts, thinking that you have a "gotcha" moment when it is entirely in your own head, and constantly creating and arguing against a narrative that you created but you present as other posters comments/arguments. Like for example suggesting that somewhere, someone is putting the entire blame for Baker's poor play after his injury on OBJ, or KS, or the OL, or the WR core .... No-one ever said that but you still keep writing it as if it was a thing. So no, no tantrum, just fed up with your total BS.

They have been putting the blame on all of those things. Are you saying people haven't blamed Stefanski's play calling or game plan for poor QB play? That many people didn't claim our O was better without OBJ when the offense played poorly at the time he was here? Or that even when one OT was out that they didn't blame part of the problem on that? And let's talk about that WR issue. Are you saying people haven't placed blame on the WR's?

Even you made the claim just a day or two ago that WR's were "running the wrong routes". I asked you who you were accusing of running the wrong routes now that OBJ is gone? In reply I got nothing.

And I never said "the entire blame". Just the bulk of it. And when your QB has only thrown for 50% in seven of his last eight halves, it's about time people figure out where the bulk of the problem lies instead of blaming someone else for posting BS.

Be honest for a minute and think about it. The claim was that our O was better without OBJ and now those same people are saying our WR's suck. Now just remember, when they said our O was playing better without OBJ, we had these exact same WR's everyone now claims suck so much.

And I'll ask again, which WR's are you now claiming are running the wrong routes and what evidence do you have that's true?

You seem to think anything that goes against your narrative is BS. What else would you call that?

Try accepting people have different opinions and that when they have been explained back and forth 40 times - it's time to move on. And yes - you absolutely, positively, 100% repeatedly tried to present the 'debate' as posters saying the entire blame was elsewhere, which they never did. If you don't think that's true - ask your fellow dawgs what they understood your (endless) comments and digs and snide remarks all inferred.

Sometimes, PM's are a good way to discuss "dead horse" disagreements nobody else cares about.

I don't think anything that goes against my narrative is BS. What I think is that the vast amount of obfuscation to divert the attention away from Bakers shortcomings is often overstated and convoluted. I think it's far more about the division of the responsibility than anything else.

As I said, I have seen many posters that in the end, no matter how we arrived there, having reached the same conclusion I have. Baker's long term future as the QB of the Browns will rely heavily on how he performs next year. You won't see this FO invest a huge long term contract in a player who overall hasn't delivered two years in a row.

And as I said also above, your employer doesn't rely on what you did three or four years ago. They look at your development over time that has led you to where you are now.

But then how would everyone see their pissing contest?

Exactly.

One person has a pissing contest with everyone that has a different opinion. Read the threads for evidence.

Wah.

Nice, quality addition to the thread.

As was yours.

Seems like you have become Vers 2.0 .... instead of simply stating your opinion, you spend more time misrepresenting/twisting what others opinions are, with a slice of snark on the side. Whatever your opinion of Baker and his struggles are - I have zero problem with. I reckon that's the same for everyone. Your misrepresenting of what I've said and what others say (endlessly) is unnecessary to say the very least: a perfect example of which is in the gameday thread/other games.

pit...you need to face the facts concerning Beckham...HE DID NOT WANT TO PLAY FOR THE BROWNS...!!!

Beckham asked to traded in the offseason even before he had rehabbed completely.

Now anyone that thinks OBJ played his butt off for the Browns...he went through the motions and every week he was waiting for word that he had been traded. I put the blame on the front office for keeping him around to the point of him being a distraction. IMO, the front office was focused on getting value in return if Beckham was traded...but no team was willing to make an offer for the guy because he was viewed as head case, playing team football only when he wanted to.

Any claims concerning Beckham being such a great receiver should be tempered with a dose of the truth...he can be a good receiver, WHEN HE WANTS TO...!!
...AND Beckham didn't want to play in Cleveland...and that wasn't Mayfield's fault because OBJ started pushing for a trade even before the season started.



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Report: WR Odell Beckham Jr. requested trade from Browns last offseason
By Zac Wassink | Last updated 11/5/21

Stories emerged Thursday that the Cleveland Browns and big-name wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. could come to some sort of resolution that would include his return to the club amid the drama sparked by his father's social media posts that blamed quarterback Baker Mayfield for missed connections between the teammates during games.

That wasn't meant to be, however, as the Browns officially released the former Pro Bowl talent on Friday morning. Beckham is subject to waivers and, thus, cannot automatically hit free agency.

It was rumored earlier in the week the Browns could look for a buyer for Beckham ahead of Tuesday's trade deadline, and it was learned after 4 p.m. ET that day that Cleveland spoke with the New Orleans Saints about a potential deal that apparently wasn't all that close to materializing.

Browns insider Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com delivered somewhat of a bombshell after Beckham's release when she reported the veteran, who is celebrating his 29th birthday Friday, "asked to be traded multiple times, including in the offseason when he was coming off surgery to repair a torn ACL."

Beckham suffered that season-ending injury in October 2020.

It's been said the Browns couldn't move Beckham ahead of the trade deadline because no other buyer wanted to be on the hook for the reported $8.05 million remaining on his salary for this season, so it's safe to assume money was also an issue if Cleveland reached out to other teams about OBJ during the spring or summer months when he was still recovering from his torn ACL.

Whatever the case, Beckham and the Browns have broken up, and each entity will have opportunities to prove the other wrong moving forward.

There wasn't a single thing snarky about my last response to you. Not one thing. When reading your last response it seems you used what you were accusing me of. As for the topic itself, I'll let that go.

We'll see how this all plays out by the end of next season. One thing we certainly have in common is that we hope Baker bounces back and we have found our QB of the future.

I really have no idea of the point you're trying to make here. My only point was that people said our offense was better without OBJ. That we would be better of he was gone. Obviously not. I'm not trying to, nor have I ever tried to make the case we were better with OBJ. But when people use a player as an excuse as to why our O is so bad, and the O is just as bad or worse after he's gone, they have to shift gears to a different excuse.

But you have an issue with my opinion. I don't trash anyone when I give my opinion on Baker. Hell, I mostly ignore you. Yet you always take issue with my opinion in a personal fashion.

You're just as big an issue as Pit with a lot more self righteousness. Yet you claim you're ok.with a difference of opinion. Okie dokie.

We 100% played better without OBJ last year... this year, not so much... I don't think OBJ was the problem with the offense, but dude wasn't helping...

No he wasn't helping that's for sure. But hopefully people can see what basing an opinion on anecdotal evidence can do. A small sample size doesn't give you enough data with which to reach a factual conclusion.

No - I don't have an issue with your opinion. I have mentioned that in posts. What I take issue with is spamming the board with posts intended to bait and troll. I mean - after one game early after Baker tore his shoulder, I think you spammed the board with your
proclamation that Baker was below average or whatever 'opinion' was more than a dozen times. It was clearly deliberate and goading. And as others have pointed out, when Baker plays well you disappear and don't post. There is nothing personal, I'm sure I'd buy you a beer if we were in a bar. But when you post like an ass - I'll post like an ass right back at you.

Well if nothing else this season you have learned something.

Yep. four years is the same thing. You got me.

You have an issue with and an emotional reaction to my opinion so you assume I am posting to bait and troll. That is not true and that is your opinion. Again, you have an issue with my opinion.


Again, more opinion. If I was going to do something deliberate, I have no problem with being deliberate about it. I'm not happy that Baker isn't good. I need someplace to vent that opinion.


This is actually an outright lie. I don't post as much as I used to, but I usually post after every game. If Baker plays well, I say so. If I don't think he does, I say so. I even predicted Baker was a sleeper MVP candidate before the beginning of the year. I'm not a big fan of outright lies.

By the way, Charles Robinson is now reporting that Baker could want out after this season...you know, the conspiracy theory you accused me of recently (that's two now reporting it). Baker's camp is feeding information to people. He feels slighted and unsupported. He's angry with the front office and the fans. I guess we'll see where that goes.

Yeah - I get emotional and very distressed with what you post. Can't sleep at night and I can't tell you how many monitors I have had to replace!! LOL

Not sure who Charles is - not sure if he is " reporting on that it is being reported on that Baker ..." .... and it was MKC that you quoted and put faith and stock in as if she is some harbinger of truth. So yeah - you totally deserve any comments you got for that.

And as for not posting much - that'd be a lie coz you have spammed the boards after bad Baker performances. It makes the lack of posting after a good game by Baker the more apparent.

Tell you what...I'll answer your question if you tell me if you ever got in touch with Dak's lawyer.

Tim Couch, Charlie Frye and now Baker, why do some fans get so emotionally involved with particular players?

I think it has nothing to do with the players, but with the idea of being wrong... Its football, most of us know we are going to be wrong about players and coaches. Just take a step back, its not a big deal.

Media needs the good cop bad cop routine, but that's for entertainment.

Oh, the memories!

www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=RAi_5F0hdPQ

Charles Robinson: Chiefs reemerge atop AFC; Rodgers update; Meyer discussion | Brother From Another

Charles Robinson talking about Baker starts at 13:20.

He offers nothing but an opinion and supposition and then he throws in a mention to MKC.

Having never heard of this guy before - I don't know if he's credible and has contacts. Whether he's credible because he puts things together all by himself. But I see nothing in this piece to believe there is anything other than pure speculation saying Baker wants out of Cleveland. Nada.

If there is another piece somewhere by this guy that I missed that contains something solid I'd be interested to read/listen.

Edit: Tried to Fixed Link

Not sure what was in the video, but it appears to be gone.

Love your post, folks get to emotional. I do believe this is social interaction on a sports blog. NOT really important on any real scale.
I'm for dumping Mayfield. He's smart, he's competitive, he's got good arm. He's had best/among the best lines in football, he's won some games. But, he was stupid trying to tackle DB who wrecked his shoulder. He's too small in my book and is damaged goods. Plus, he's spending lots of time making dough in commercials. NFL, not for long, he knows this and is being smart. I'd let him walk with his act and NOT pay him huge money. He proved he doesn't deserve it.....Go Browns!!!

I don't think it's time to dump him. Next year will be his third year in the same system. We have him under contract next season and I see no reason we shouldn't let it play out and see what happens. I certainly think there are questions surrounding his long term future here that as of yet remain unanswered. But we've seen enough good from him that there's no reason not to let him get 100% healthy during the off season and see how it goes.