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Ty was 21-15 when fired by ND, Weis "the genius" is 20-15.

and losing to army and navy, WOW.

A question i ask myself. In a media that is so quick to point out racial bias, why not one questioning word about the mecca of college football?

Notre Dame extends Weis through 2015

ESPN.com news services

Updated: October 30, 2005, 7:33 PM ET


SOUTH BEND, Indiana -- It took Notre Dame football coach Charlie Weis only seven games to earn a new contract.

Notre Dame has signed Weis to a new 10-year deal, the school announced Saturday.

The deal will make him the highest paid coach in college football, according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen. Sources pegged the extension between $30 and $40 million. One source said it was closer to the high end of that range.

Weis originally had signed a six-year contract through the 2010 season when he was hired last December. This new deal takes effect next season and runs through 2015.

"Since the first day I arrived at Notre Dame as head football coach, one of my primary goals was to be able to see this job through to the time my son, Charlie, would graduate from the University of Notre Dame and to stay in this position until I retire," Weis said. "By restructuring this contract, adding an additional five years, this allows me to accomplish that goal."

Weis has led the Fighting Irish, who began the season unranked, to a 5-2 mark and the No. 9 ranking. Notre Dame also nearly upset top-ranked Southern California three weeks ago before coming up just short, 34-31.

"In a very short period of time, Charlie has clearly and impressively demonstrated the ability to take the Notre Dame program where we all want it to go," Notre Dame athletic director Kevin White said.

"We're excited that Charlie wanted to extend his commitment to Notre Dame, combined with the University's interest in furthering its relationship with him. All of us are enthusiastic about what the future holds for Notre Dame football with Charlie Weis as our head coach. We're confident that we've got the best coach in America ensconced at his alma mater for the remainder of his career."
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I don't see them canning him this season, but it will be interesting to see them backpedal from these comments if they do......

A contract extension after 7 games was stupid, but I think if things stay in the cellar he will be sacked. I'm not one to educate myself on contracts, but hope that a performance clause is in it somewhere. If not Kevin Smith needs to be sacked now.

I'm not a big college football junkie so there are plenty of guys out there that can tell you the facts, but I was under the impression that Wiess is running with a lot of very very young guys playing college ball in thier first year?

Maybe that's the reason for letting a down year go? Don't know for sure, but Brady Quinn was talking about it when asked some time back,,, can't remember all the details..

Over 50% of their roster is comprised of Freshmen/Sophomores.....

Diam predicted this to be a down year for them due to their youthfulness.

A down year...... A down year is 4-6, maybe 5-5. ND could finish 1-10, although they play Duke next week so they SHOULD win.

As far as Diam goes, he may be avoiding the board for other reasons, but the fact that ND sucks swamp water and Brady is pickin' splinters outta his butt makes me think he just doesn't wanna take the grief he'd probably be taking.

Shep and Jay,, Thanks,,,, I wasn't sure where I heard that info.. I knew I heard that they are young,,,,very young, but danged if I can remember where I got that info... Thanks for letting me know I was right...

Don't worry about Otto this morning,, he's got a rash or something and is yelling at everyone.... Pulling your leg Otto,, relax will ya!

I don't have the numbers on it... but I knew they were really young right now..... but they have had excellent recruiting classes the last couple of years... so I would suspect that they would be back in the top 25 soon.

Of course, I didn't think they would be this bad this year.

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...so I would suspect that they would be back in the top 25 soon.

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I'm surprised the pollsters don't have them there now.



I like this quote:

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"Since the first day I arrived at Notre Dame as head football coach, one of my primary goals was to be able to see this job through to the time my son, Charlie, would graduate from the University of Notre Dame and to stay in this position until I retire," Weis said. "By restructuring this contract, adding an additional five years, this allows me to accomplish that goal."

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You'd think his "primary goals" would involve winning some football games....and not getting swept by the service academies.

No doubt about it, Weis has had a terrible season.
Why Charlie Weiss over Tyrone Willingham? Charlie Weiss was the offensive coordinator on 3 NE Patriot Super Bowl Champion teams. -Charlie Weiss uses that reference while on recruiting trips and that is why he has been able to put together a couple great recruiting classes that will blossom in the next couple years. If Notre Dame finishes outside of the top 10 next year, I'll be surprised. -On top of that, if they're not in a BCS bowl next year, there is no doubt, Weiss will be history.

The reason that Weiss gets to keep his job is becasue the boosters actually *for some reason* like the guy. They hated Ty and tried to get rid of him whenever they could. Oh well, nothing I enjoy more than watching Weiss and ND suffer!

j/c

i cant believe they will keep him if he finishes near this poorly next year. problem is, is in college ball youve gotta go a good 4 years before you can assess a guy on his coaching and recruiting abilities

They will. They'll feed a bunch of reasons to the masses... "They were young this year." "We were rebuilding the program". "You have to take a few steps back to move forward". "We have a good recruiting class coming in next year".

Doing the same thing with Weis they did with Tyrone (race having nothing to do with it) will make the program look bad. Things are already going bad enough. They have to save some face. They have to give him "ample time" to right the ship. If they tank it this bad next year, then they can justify canning him.

It seems everytime I turn on the radio or TV there blasting Wies and calling him an idiot and talking about the hypocrisy of ND not firing himand it must be racially motivated .... do u live under a rock????? ,,,,

Wies has a minimum of two full years ... as he should ... thats when his first true class will be seniors .... if were not a top 10 team in 09 hes gonna have some questions to answer ..

Ty was fired for 2 main reasons ..... and believe me there was a HUGE power struggle at ND when this happend ... almost every single one of U talks out your ass about this cause U dont know any facts other than Ty was fired and Charlie wasn't with the same record ... well if u really wanna know what happend here it is ...

the first thing is that our president for the last 40 years was part of the group that hired TY .. we brought in a new president ... this plays a role in it because when the board of trustees met (the the ones that led the charge) and wanted him gone our AD Kevin White (who I personally despise) was dead set against it ... he wanted TY to stay ... that plays into the backround .. now the two main reasons he was fired are as follows ...

1. he was a lazy, bad recruiter ... his best class was #12 in the country and the other two werent even top 25 ..... we recruited a total of two top 100 players in 3 years ... he didn't even start truely recruiting until the season was over ... way to late ... way to late ..

2. he wasn't a good fit and I'll just leave it at that ... and no it was nothing racial .... some situations just aren't good for some folks and ND and Ty were just not a good fit ....

it was the 100% right move ... just as keeping Wies is now ...

Jay is right ... our last two classes have been top 10 - top 5 depending on the service ... this years is currently #1 .. and its mind boggling ... we lose to USC and fall to 1 - 7 and get two commits that week ... one from a top 3 WR in Michael Floyd who is a 5 star top 50 recruit in both major services .... then we get a 4 star RB from Texas named Cyrus Gray who is a 4 star recruit that had commited to Nebraska back int he spring and de-commited when the trouble started in Nebraska (the irony being ... were being compared to Nebraska as a program in distress yet we have the #1 class in the country as of now and it keeps gettting better the worse we play .. *L* .. ) ..

anyhow ... we have lost 4 players from the sophmore class (the first good one) .... 2 of them QB's who left when they were passed over for Clausen to start this year ..... if Charlie keeps this class in tow and loses no one ... we will be on very good shape for a run at the national title in 09 ..

OH and this team is EXTREMELY YOUNG .... our senior class has 9 scholarxhip layers on it and only one of them (Maurice Crum Jr.) is worth a dam ... our Jr. class has only 14 sholarship players on it and not one of them is worth a damm .. (the Jr. class was Wies's first one but he had no time to recruit as he was busy winning a SB with the Pats) .....

so to say were young is a huge understatement ...

I knew this year would be rough ... as shep pointed out I told all U haters to have fun this year ... cause after that your going to be miserable again ..

otto .... *LOL* .. Ya .. I been avoiding the board cause I'm quaking in my boots over the grief I'd take ... do u know me at all???? *LOL* ...

I didn't post for the bye week and the week after that cause I was away ... haven't posted since cause I am sick of having the same convo's with the same people ... been reading and *LMAO* just not posting ... busy doing other things .. in case your interested ..

1. DA is DA and not impressed with him at all ...
2. Wish BQ was playing but like i said BEFORE THE SEASON I wont be upset if he dotn take a snap this year ...
3. we cant stop the run ...
4. Our pass D is worse than I thought it would be .. and i didnt think it would be very good ..
5. OL is PASS PROTECTING better than I thought .. and RUN BLOCKING worse than I thought ...
6. RAC won't be fired ... Sorry but its true ... *L* ...

that about sums it up ...

WOOF WOOF WOOF ......

I like Weis Diam. Nothing I enjoy more than seeing Air Force and Navy kick their butts. No doubt they will still take the place of a good game on TV next year. So what if Clausen shows up to the 1st practice in a Limo. He's not arrogant. I think ol Ty is 10 times the coach Weis claims to be. And as for prospects, ND always claims to have the best recruiting class every year.

Sugar coat things all you want, but Weis can't coach college kids and is ruining the program. The team is getting worse, not better. This article puts things in perspective (keep in mind, this was written before the debacle vs. Air Force, so the numbers are actually even worse!):

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The Worst Football Coach in the Universe
Introducing Notre Dame's Charlie Weis.
By Jonathan Chait
Posted Thursday, Oct. 25, 2007, at 2:51 PM ET

In the entire history of American sports hype, has there ever been any fraud more grossly fraudulent than Notre Dame football coach Charlie Weis?

Weis' Fighting Irish now stand at 1-7. This record is only the faintest indicator of just how awful Notre Dame is. They have lost nine of their last 10 games, by an average of 24 points. None has been close. While Notre Dame has suffered very few injuries, three of its opponents have had to play the Irish without their starting quarterbacks. Two of those teams, USC and Michigan, nonetheless beat Notre Dame by a larger margin than either has beaten any other opponent so far this year. Notre Dame's lone win came against UCLA, which had been forced to use its third-string quarterback, a walk-on. In that game, Notre Dame compiled just 140 yards of offense, but won with the help of seven Bruin turnovers, five of them hand-delivered courtesy of the hapless walk-on signal-caller.

Just how bad is Notre Dame? Of the 119 teams in Division I-A, ND is 119th in total offense, 119th in rushing offense, 112th in passing offense, and 118th in scoring. If Notre Dame had doubled its scoring output, it would still rank 108th. If it doubled its rushing output (currently 34 yards a game), it would barely eke out Duke for 118th place.

You get the point. I should stop now.

OK, one more. Notre Dame is averaging 1.09 yards per rush this year. The NCAA statistical archive goes back only to 1999. The worst yards per carry recorded in that period belongs to a 2001 University of Arizona squad that gained 1.46 yards per attempt. So, the worst rushing team recorded by the NCAA in the last nine years was still about one-third better than Notre Dame.

This is not merely bad. This is ineptitude on a staggering, world-historical scale. Such a performance would be prima facie evidence for firing the coach even at a doormat program like Indiana. At a school like Notre Dame, well … it's simply impossible to describe how awful this performance is. It's true that Notre Dame has suffered a dip in its talent level, attributable to poor recruiting by Weis' predecessor Tyrone Willingham. But if you go by recruiting rankings, Charlie Weis still has as much or more talent on hand than most of the opponents who have been beating him soundly.

So, Weis is obviously not a great coach—no great coach has ever underperformed so grossly—and he may well be a terrible one. So, why was he ever hailed as a genius in the first place?

The giant edifice of fraud that is Weis' reputation is actually a series of smaller frauds piled on top of each other. The foundational myth is that he was a brilliant offensive coordinator. Weis came from the New England Patriots, who had just won a Super Bowl. Every player and coach associated with a Super Bowl winner is usually subjected to a certain level of hype, and Weis is no exception. But Weis was actually quite ordinary. During his eight seasons as a coordinator, six of his teams finished in the bottom half of the league in total offense. Patriots quarterback Tom Brady has graciously shared credit for his success with Weis, even though the Patriots offense has been dramatically better—seventh in the league, on average—since Weis left.

The myth grew after Weis was appointed at Notre Dame and started proclaiming his own brilliance. He told his players, "Every game you will have a decided schematic advantage." After struggling to salvage his first recruiting class, he announced to the press, "Now it's time for the X's and O's. Let's see who has the advantage now."

Having primed the national media to receive him as a conquering hero, Weis enjoyed a tidal wave of publicity in 2005, his first year at Notre Dame. His crowning achievement was a narrow loss at home to a USC team then thought, erroneously, to be among the greatest ever. (The 2005 Trojans, who lost to Vince Young and Texas in the national championship game, had great skill position talent but a weak, injury-riddled defense.)

This first season was seen as the start of a new dynasty. In truth, Notre Dame was bound to improve, given the natural maturation of a couple of excellent Willingham recruiting classes. But Weis' first two teams weren't really that good. The 2005 and 2006 Notre Dame teams had a total of one win over an opponent that finished in the top 25, and they were administered several beat-down losses.

Coming into this year, Notre Dame was still picked to finish in the top 40. Blue-Gray Sky, a Notre Dame blog, polled its nine contributors before the year began, and the average predicted record was slightly better than 9-3. It looks like Weis will fall a wee bit short of that. The difference between that predicted record and Notre Dame's actual record is a good measure of the difference between Weis' reputation as a coach and his actual ability.

Being a head coach in college involves very different skills—motivating kids, teaching basic skills—than being a coordinator in the NFL. Even good NFL coordinators, like Cam Cameron and Dave Wannstedt, have struggled as college head coaches. Maybe Weis did sometimes turn castoff linemen into solid starters in the NFL, but at Notre Dame, he can't turn blue-chip prospects into passable players.

But don't worry, Notre Dame fans. In a few years, the Irish will return to glory again, when Weis' recruits get to play for a coach who isn't horrible.

Worst Coach in College ball??? Wow.... I hate ND, but disagree with that... if they win only one game next year then I might agree... but he's done alright the last two years.

Does Weis always wear his super bowl ring in his interviews or was he being more egotistical today?

Not directed at you, rather, directed at the author of the article that you posted.

The article essentially calls Weiss a fluke, and states that the success of the New England Patriots while Weiss was there had nothing to do with Weiss.

Would Bill Belichik hire an idiot to run his offense?

When Weiss was the Offensive Coordinator, how many Superbowls did New England Win?

Do you not think that the people who are charged with hiring the head coach for the Notre Dame Football team conduct a thorough examination of each and every candidate. -I'm willing to bet that there is not a more selective process in the world.

Give me a break. To put it simply, you don't become Notre Dame's head coach if you are not all that you are cracked up to be. In addition, he recieved an extension at Notre Dame is because during his first year as coach, he upset a highly ranked Michigan team, and he almost beat the best team in the country. - You can't accomplish these feats if you don't know what your doing.
Weiss knows what he's doing. He is in a rebuilding year, and they will bounce back next year.
I am writing objectively, as I could care less how good, or bad Notre Dame does. I root for Ohio State.

Believe me, I was on your side that night, because a USC loss would/could have put the Buckeyes back in the NC game that year.

I usually don't respond to U cause your a waste of time ... but I wont let flat out lies go ..

Clausen showed up to his announcement to choose ND in a Limo ... he walked to his first practice from his dorm room ... he is one of the most humble, down to earth kids on the team ...

U have plenty to rip us on without RESORTING TO LIES ... so why u lie is beyond me ...

like I said before last year ENJOY THIS ONE cause from here on out its not gonna be as much fun ... and u seem to be having alot of fun .. KUDOS TO U ... enjoy it while U can ...

I also remember the whole limo thing was because he had a lot of family there, and they all wanted to ride together.



Oh, Notre Dame still sucks... Glad you're back.