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Ohio Senate passes bill to allow concealed firearms without a permit
Updated: Dec. 15, 2021, 4:46 p.m. | Published: Dec. 15, 2021, 4:33 p.m.
By Jeremy Pelzer, cleveland.com

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The Ohio Senate on Wednesday passed legislation to allow people to carry a concealed handgun without a permit and no longer require them to notify law enforcement during proactively traffic stops that they’re armed.

Senate Bill 215, which passed the Senate 23-8, now heads to the Ohio House, which passed a similar but separate conceal-carry bill last month.

It’s unclear which of the two bills legislative leaders will decide to pass the general assembly and go to Gov. Mike DeWine’s desk -- though Senate President Matt Huffman, a Lima Republican, told reporters Wednesday that the Senate favors its bill over the House’s.

Both SB215 and House Bill 227 would allow anyone age 21 or older to carry a concealed firearm unless state or federal law prohibits them from possessing a gun. If either becomes law, Ohio will become the 22nd state to allow conceal-carry in public without needing a license, according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Ohio currently requires conceal-carry applicants to take eight hours of training, pass a background check, and pay a fee, among other things.

Both bills would also no longer require motorists to tell law enforcement about concealed handguns in their vehicles, though drivers would still have to truthfully say whether they have a gun with them if an officer asks.

Right now, drivers who fail to pre-emptively notify an officer in Ohio that they have a gun with them face a first-degree misdemeanor, punishable by up to six months in jail, a $1,000 fine, and suspension of their concealed-handgun license. The two bills would each eliminate that penalty.

Supporters of SB215 note that both the U.S. and Ohio constitutions guarantee the right to bear arms, and neither mentions anything about training requirements. They also say that so-called “constitutional carry” will make Ohioans safer by lifting restrictions on their ability to carry a concealed firearm.

Opponents argued that the bill would make Ohio less safe – both by allowing people to carry concealed firearms without needing any training or background checks and also by putting police in greater danger during traffic stops.

In recent years, the Republican-controlled Ohio General Assembly has passed several other measures to loosen requirements on concealed firearms, including allowing military service members and veterans to carry without a permit and removing the state’s ban on conceal-carry on college campuses and several other locations.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021...concealed-firearms-without-a-permit.html

It's becoming all the rage these days. Sort of like a desperate help wanted sign.... No experience needed. And no, we won't even train you. You can now take everyone elses life in your inexperienced hands.

This is absolutely not the win the gun folks want to believe it is... this will eventually lead to problems and it will be used strongly against them.

I thought the right supported the police? Now they want them walking up on potentially armed traffic stops and there is no requirement for the potentially untrained, unqualified gun owner to advise them of that...

this will backfire big time.

Not that I agree with this new legislation, but people do have to honestly reply if the officer asks them if they are armed. I'm pro 2a, but I feel there should be some sort of training requirement to be able carry a weapon in public.

Maybe. I think that people who shoot cops at traffic stops probably aren't impacted by the law one way of the other. Another way to say that is I don't think the law is going to have any measurable impact on shooting events. The people doing such things are already packing, legal or not.

Nobody is a murderer until they murder someone.

I was worried about the cops getting shot but I fully understand that somebody who is going to shoot a cop isn't going to announce that..

I was also worried about the anxiety this creates for the cops to draw on other people, if those people are under no obligation to tell you if there is a gun in the vehicle... It just creates more uncertainty in more situations and increases the odds that bad things are going to happen one way or the other.

People are required to say there's a gun in the vehicle if asked. I can see this question becoming as routine as "license, registration, are you armed?"

I think it's setting up cops for disaster. If they aren't getting ambushed because they're not allowed to find out if someone is strapped, they'll be finding themselves on the news for flipping out on someone because they saw the gun they weren't supposed to see and overreacted.

Aight so if I walk around with a two pistols, an AR-15, and a shotty sling around my back, I better not be stopped by anybody.

People keep saying this, but it isn't true. You are legally required to say you are armed if asked.

Do you have a point in that comment or are you just babbling again?

I won't bother trying to explain it to you. It wouldn't help.

Talking with my sis in law today. She, her twin (both 60) and their mom were together a couple of weeks ago. The sis got pulled over for speeding. And it WAS, license and registration and proof of insurance. Then, have you been drinking? Do you have any weapons in the vehicle or on your person, any illegal or non prescription drugs?


No,no no no, etc. Then he went back, ran her license, came back and gave the sis a warning. That might be just the local department, at this time, but yeah, it will become the norm.

Fair point.

Then the question will become, if you answer "yes" to being armed, are they going to get you out of the car to investigate, each and every time. Or will they only do that if you are black?

Or will they shoot you before you can get out with your hands up… It's a crazy idea, and it could go fine or be like the wild west in a few years. Now, everybody needs a gun to grocery shop.

Everybody knows that black people are up to something! I think you know I am only joking.

No doubt that police profile, they have to do that, but I don't think race is the one and only method used. I think plenty of whites, Asians, and Latino types get the shakedown.

Who, what, when, where? I think everybody can start asking those questions and start to paint a picture. If a couple of those don't seem quite right, then the cop might start to poke around a little deeper.

That "wild west" argument was one of the main talking points of those opposed to the origingal concealed carry legislation. I do have my concerns about the lack of a training requirement.

I hope that in a few years we'll see a resurgence in people teaching kids at an early age to respect and use them. Maybe even schools will have shooting clubs, again. I know of at least a few that have Skeet teams.
I view this as simply putting things back to how they were, and where I live it has little impact as pretty much everyone already carries... it just saves a ton of paperwork.
It'll never happen, but I'd love to see the entire NFA thrown out, too. It was only ever created because of the gangsters/mob of the 1920's, just as the original concealed carry laws were mostly created right after the Civil War as a pretense for disarming blacks.

Here is how law enforcement feels in Texas.....

Law enforcement leaders voice opposition to bills allowing unlicensed carry of handguns

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/la...ls-allowing-unlicensed-carry-of-handguns

And in Ohio....

Police Union Opposes Latest Ohio Bill To Loosen Concealed Carry Laws

https://news.wosu.org/news/2017-10-...ohio-bill-to-loosen-concealed-carry-laws

Tennessee and Louisiana......

Police pushback doesn’t stop conservative gun law rollback

https://apnews.com/article/police-laws-gun-politics-41ba4360548ddc25672c797cd024af98

I could go on but I think you get the idea. We've all seen some of the extreme reactions police can have when they feel fear. I'm fairly certain this can only make matters worse.

I always conceal my guns in the winter. I'm to old to go sleeveless when it's this cold.

You must be getting soft in your old age.

I feel like a garbage bag in the hefty commercials wimpy. Wimpy, wimpy lol

Do you have a safe room in your house where you can go hide and whimper?

Well, he IS correct. No one is a murderer until the murder someone. Just like no one is a bank robber until they rob a bank. No one is a speeder until they speed. No one causes an accident that kills someone until they do.

But, his answer? Lemme go full pit here: Make so no one can murder - take guns, knives, cars, away. Close banks. Eliminate cars. Is that what pit is saying? (that's another pit thing - he makes stupid statements, but poses them as questions.........then does the lol thing.)

Only that isn't the point. While we often disagree I think even you agree with me when it comes to this.

If anyone can walk into a gun store and buy a gun, then stick it into his belt loop and carry it, that poses a possibly very dangerous scenario. While people such as ourselves have been trained in firearms, a lot of people that buy guns haven't. Requiring people at least have a basic training course before just being able to walk around carrying a gun makes it safer for everyone. Without basic gun training that same person could become a murderer without even meaning to commit murder. I know you believe in personal responsibility, but just look around you. There is a large portion of society that doesn't apply that. If you see yourself speeding you can slow yourself down. One you shoot someone due to having no experience handling a firearm, it's too late.

Why do you think police all across the nation are against people carrying guns without a CCW? Because it poses an unnecessary risk. Just remember, while you think you're disagreeing with me, you're also disagreeing with law enforcement all across the country. If anybody knows first hand the results of people mishandling guns, it would be them.

BTW- Duty, it's all of your prepper/militia buddies who have those. But if you don't have a safe room to protect yourself and your family from things like hurricanes and tornadoes maybe you should think more about the safety of your family. But as for myself? I'm probably more well armed than you are.

Do YOU have a safe room to protect you from a tornado? (hurricanes are out for you and I both).

You're super well armed?

Yes we have a room to go to that is by most standards safe from tornadoes. I'm well armed enough that I can' think of anything else I need to add. Are you well armed? Do you have a safe room? Do you meditate? Are you thinking of buying a vehicle? Will you be selling your house any time soon?

Don't know. No, we don't have a tornado room. The rest?

Meditate every day. yes, and yes, if the price is right.

Well armed? I don't know.

I do. Use it for hurricanes and tornadoes. Also could use it for threatening situation if I could get to it. I am also armed. If the choice was: 1. have a shootout with a home invader in the house with my family or 2. get to the safe room, be protected, give up the TVs... I'm taking #2 every day.

Jc

I want the ability to take out a personal loan and purchase a fully functional M1 Abrams.

I got gas money.

They don't use gas. They use #2 diesel fuel.

Yes I know that. But what’s it’s sound like going “hey I got diesel money”

Doesn’t roll off the tongue

Diesel might think it's cool.

Well *looking around* *lowering my voice* I gotta a guy.... who could fix ya up.

Sounds like this law makes the law abiding citizen equal in capabilities to the scum they may face. Let the criminals do the worrying from now on.

Check with 40'.......you might need to change the oil 'though.

Yes that seems to be what gun extremists have been clamoring for. "We want to be on equal grounds with the criminals!" Yet a CCW permit does nothing to restrict you from carrying a gun. It just helps the odds of people not getting shot because you feel it's your right to be as irresponsible as the criminal element in our society. That's why people such as myself are trying to prevent people like you from emboldening the other side by showing what idiots some gun owners are. You make the rest of us look bad.