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DA had a very unspectacular game yesterday in you discount the 3 TD passes which he completed with no interceptions. Seems a bit odd to say those words because it is...ah...er,,...ah silly to say them.
DA's pass completion % was not good yesterday but he had the team in position to tie the game if not win it outright.
He was not sharp in the 2nd half but took NO SACKS and got rid of the ball quickly as instructed.
Brady ...Billy...Brent... Brady Quinn is learning about riding the pines and Miami is still #1 on the potential draft charts. What is the chance they want him now?
This has turned out to be a great year so far...can't wait to see how Phil swings the signings, trades and/or draft suprises to build our front seven back.
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I would say absolute zero considering they drafted John Beck in the second round.
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No way Miami gives up the #1 OAP for either DA or Anderson.
Once we tender DA, the interest will come from teams in the 20's....maybe late teens.
That is the area a trade for them begins to make sense.
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I agree. It's teams like Minn and Chicago that I think will be interested in DA. Nobody is going to give up a top 10 pick, but teams that are close would give up thier mid round 1 for a QB with 20 quality starts. In my mind the list of possible DA landing places are (in no particular order):
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Kansas City (I know thay have Croyle, but I don't think he is that good)
New York Jets (I don't think the NY media is going to wait fro Kellen Clemens to develop.)
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Miami will not trade for DA. John Beck is their future, but they will not trade the #1 pick. They have too many needs both sides of the ball to trade it for a decent, not great QB who will probably be a backup next season.
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I don't think there should be any talk whatsoever in trading or releasing BQ. I am not sure why anyone would think it's a smart move. DA is having 1 good season. There are a lot of QB's thru the years that will have one good season but cannot continue it throughout there career. We need to keep BQ for at least another year. If DA continues to light it up next year, then talking about what to do with BQ could be a possibility. But not right now, and not next year either.
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No way Miami gives up the #1 OAP for either DA or Anderson.
But what about Quinn? 
It's gonna be interesting to see the rest of the year play out, see how DA finishes, and what kind of RFA tender we give him.....
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No way Miami gives up the #1 OAP for either DA or Anderson.
But what about Quinn?
It's gonna be interesting to see the rest of the year play out, see how DA finishes, and what kind of RFA tender we give him.....
Him either.....and it isn't out of the question we go that way....though very unlikely.
If i had to place some sort of percentage on the deal...97% chance DA is the guy we trade....3% Quinn.
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All of the "insiders" seem to think we'll try to keep DA next year.. I, for one, hope we do what we have to to get as much as possible for him.. high draft picks or stud defenders, one or the other... I respect what DA has done but I'm still not convinced we wouldn't be better with Quinn right this very minute.
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Boy we be on the same page with that comment  .. Trade him while he is hot !  ..
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I agree.. I think if we can get a 1st rndr or another 2nd that should be our first priority... We still have alot of holes on D and Quinn on the bench. If we can turn DA's value into 2 more quality D players we will come out ahead
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No way Miami gives up the #1 OAP for either DA or Anderson.
Once we tender DA, the interest will come from teams in the 20's....maybe late teens.
That is the area a trade for them begins to make sense.
Personally, I really hope we strike while the iron is still hot. DA's value is going to go through the roof if we go to the playoffs or atleast approach the possibility. We need defensive help so bad, I'm inclined to get as much as we can for him and start the Brady Quinn experiment.
If I had to make a list right now I think any of these teams could potentially offer up their picks for DA if he continues to play well throughout the year:
Chicago
Jacksonville (depending one how in love they are with Garrard).
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Carolina
There are a few other maybes but those teams (especially ones like Chicago, Jacksonville and Carolina) who are going to finish in the middle of the pack, will most likely think long and hard about it.
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I would say absolute zero considering they drafted John Beck in the second round.
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As long as Derek doesn't stink the rest of the season, your wish will be granted. I don't know what the people that want to keep DA are thinking, because it doesn't make good business sense. We will probably be able to get more out of Anderson than we have in him, can we do the same with Quinn?
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"...I would say absolute zero considering they drafted John Beck in the second round"
John Beck may eventually be an All-Pro ...BQ may turn out to be Ty Detmer...
I think that this offseason will be filled with exciting offers coming the Brown's way...I think that BQ may be moved instead of DA. Wait'n see.
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I think if one wanted to dream up the scanrio that would most resemble reality, than Carolina would be on the other line.
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Nothing wrong with having a couple of good QBs..........why do we get rid of either at this point!
The defense needs to be addressed in a major way, during the offseason, I see that as a happening situation.....even without having a #1 draft pick!
We really have not seen Quinn play in the regular season............so DA has to stay....it is all about working to get a better defensive unit next season....and keeping what we have on the offensive side of the ball!
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Nothing wrong with having a couple of good QBs..........why do we get rid of either at this point!
The defense needs to be addressed in a major way, during the offseason, I see that as a happening situation.....even without having a #1 draft pick!
We really have not seen Quinn play in the regular season............so DA has to stay....it is all about working to get a better defensive unit next season....and keeping what we have on the offensive side of the ball!
JMHO!
Couple of points... BQ has to play at some point  Whether it's for us or someone else...
personally I agree with who ever said it above... I think BQ is better RIGHT NOW than DA is... I love for the most part what DA has done this season... but he still does multiple things that I really, really don't like. I like BQ's accuracy a lot better than DAs.
And, you say we need the defensive help? I think we can get it with a trade with DA.
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Boy we be on the same page with that comment .. Trade him while he is hot ! ..
I think we should dump him, soon.. I just have a funny feeling, even though Anderson sopposed to have great years in the Rain Forest of Oragon, He has problems with a wet football.. I think we should cut him loose, before this is exploited.. He's hot, kinda...LOL.. So why not? This might even be our way out of the " problem " with having 2 starting QB's on our team.. JMO.
I think Quinn could come in, and play just as good, and if not better..
Look, I have a funny feeling we lose to the Cards, and the Bengals, so that would take us to 10-6, and just not enough to make the playoffs, because the Jags,and Titans are on fire also.. But losing the Pitt game really threw a wrench in the whole plan..
So far, there just seems to be patterns of things going on. We started by not being able to get 2 wins strung together, then the buy came and we win 2 and lose 1 win 2 and lose another, which happens to be, Cards, and Bengals.. Which, to me, we're big games anyways..
See what can be worked out getting Anderson out of here, and get Quinn a start.. Lets see what he has..
I'm happy with 10-6, how cant we.. We can make the playoffs to, but CANT lose another game from here on out, and MUST make some changes on the Defense.. Willie, got to go, put in Chaun.. Switch Bodden and Jones..
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Quinn is not going anywhere.. if he has to sit for 3 years, then so be it. He's an investment right? Well let him sit and mature!!
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Nothing wrong with having a couple of good QBs..........why do we get rid of either at this point!
The defense needs to be addressed in a major way, during the offseason, I see that as a happening situation.....even without having a #1 draft pick!
You answered your own question. The single easiest way for us to trade for a quality defender without having to bid on the open market of FA is DA... The single easist way for us to pick up a really high draft pick for a stud defender is DA...
Or we could make due and at the end of next year, give him a hug and a kiss and get nothing for him...
As I see it, the ONLY reason you keep DA around is if you think you have a legit shot to win the super bowl with him next year, because beyond that, it's BQ time...
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Nothing wrong with having a couple of good QBs..........why do we get rid of either at this point!
Or we could make due and at the end of next year, give him a hug and a kiss and get nothing for him...
You're typing to fast DC. I don't know what's so hard to understand about UNrestricted FA coming the year after RFA, but obviously people just aren't getting it. The only way Anderson doesn't leave is if we give him a large amount of money. We already have one QB making a large amount of money. 
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Isn't that pretty much what I said? 
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personally I agree with who ever said it above... I think BQ is better RIGHT NOW than DA is... I love for the most part what DA has done this season... but he still does multiple things that I really, really don't like. I like BQ's accuracy a lot better than DAs.
How on Earth could you say that the unproven rookie, whose accuracy was the BIG question mark during the draft, is better than the guy that is producing for us? The guy that has helped turn the team into a competitive team?
Trading or 'selling' DA now/soon could turn into either:
1) Selling Google at $100/sh b/c it can't possibly go higher or
2) Selling Enron while it was hot
This decision will set the tone of the franchise for years. If you dump DA and turns out we have the next Ryan Leaf on the bench, we are done for many years. To me, that risk/reward proposition is very risky by going to an unproven, highly questioned rookie.
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Nothing wrong with having a couple of good QBs..........why do we get rid of either at this point!
Or we could make due and at the end of next year, give him a hug and a kiss and get nothing for him...
You're typing to fast DC. I don't know what's so hard to understand about UNrestricted FA coming the year after RFA, but obviously people just aren't getting it. The only way Anderson doesn't leave is if we give him a large amount of money. We already have one QB making a large amount of money.
Quinn isn't making a large amount of money.
In fact, if we match a deal a team gives DA, DA would probably get double or even triple what Quinn got in his deal.
Think of the contract Tony Romo got...
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Bingo, and that is why we won't get keep DA next season. We aren't going to give the guy a 50-60 million dollar contract when we have a kid who the FO and coaching staff think alot of.
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If you dump DA and turns out we have the next Ryan Leaf on the bench, we are done for many years. To me, that risk/reward proposition is very risky by going to an unproven, highly questioned rookie.
To counter your point we also could have the next Joe Montana on the bench. 
The thing is to find out what we have on the bench before we make a decision on Anderson and the only way to do that is to let him play! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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The thing is to find out what we have on the bench before we make a decision on Anderson and the only way to do that is to let him play!
Hard one to call, if you're the Browns FO.
Do you only put him in during "garbage time?" How many of our games EVER end in garbage time?
Do you put him in a meaninful game, when your starter is giving you a legitimate run to the playoffs? The first run in 5 years?
You see my point, I'm sure. A nasty little conundrum, isn't it?
To date, this FO simply doesn't have enough of a track record to know if they can "plug&play" with their FA's and draft picks... especially at such an important position.
I'm glad I don't have to make the decision.
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Do you put him in a meaninful game, when your starter is giving you a legitimate run to the playoffs? The first run in 5 years?
We do not have a chance in hell at a playoff spot and you know it. To many of you have this thought in your heads that to me is so unrealistic that I wonder if you also believe in Sants Claus?
This is a building year and should we be fortunate enough to snif the playoffs it should be a learning experiance.
And we need to learn what we have in Quinn now!
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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The answer to this question is pretty simple. If, Miami had wanted Quinn don't you think they would have taken him when they had the chance. Obviously they saw something in Quinn they didn't like. Could they now change their minds I suppose, but I honest to God put these people in the same league with Millan in Detroit, so even if they did want Quinn at this juncture I wouldn't look for them to make any kind of move for him. The reason being they would basicly have to admit they made a mistake in the 1st place, and thats not likely.
Keep your eye on the Vikes, if someone makes a move for one of our QB's it's likely to be them. Just a guess tho.
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The thing is to find out what we have on the bench before we make a decision on Anderson and the only way to do that is to let him play!
Hard one to call, if you're the Browns FO.
Do you only put him in during "garbage time?" How many of our games EVER end in garbage time?
Do you put him in a meaninful game, when your starter is giving you a legitimate run to the playoffs? The first run in 5 years?
You see my point, I'm sure. A nasty little conundrum, isn't it?
To date, this FO simply doesn't have enough of a track record to know if they can "plug&play" with their FA's and draft picks... especially at such an important position.
I'm glad I don't have to make the decision.
Really, there isn't much of a decision to make right now Clem.
(Ya know, it sickens me every time I go to bat for Derek Anderson I feel dirty, like I need a shower)
DA had a questionable game against the Steelers. I'd be willing to bet he's not the only one that's had a bad game against that defense this season *L*
Quite frankly, the best-case scenario for ANY team in this league that takes a QB with their first round pick is to have him sit for a year and learn. Anderson gives the team the best case scenario (I'm feeling queezy). That 90 rating he's putting up is a tad misleading, but he's actually playing very well.
There is no question about Quinn at this moment. He stays on the bench until Anderson loses the job. Should Quinn get in at garbage time? It's unlikely this team with this defense will have much garbage time, hehehe. Beyond that, you still have to develop Anderson, who has a whopping 11 starts under his 24-year old belt. Quinn should ride the bench for every play this season unless Anderson chokes it up for a few games. You can bet that the FO is quite pleased at this point. There isn't a tough decision here, not at this juncture.
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We do not have a chance in hell at a playoff spot and you know it.
OK....... 
Thru 9 games and 5-4...Right there for a WC right NOW...
Remaining opponent records at 23-40...Tenn and Jax playing each other again and Indy...
NO SHOT...OOOOOKKKKKKKK.... 
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There is no question about Quinn at this moment. He stays on the bench until Anderson loses the job. Should Quinn get in at garbage time? It's unlikely this team with this defense will have much garbage time, hehehe. Beyond that, you still have to develop Anderson, who has a whopping 11 starts under his 24-year old belt. Quinn should ride the bench for every play this season unless Anderson chokes it up for a few games. You can bet that the FO is quite pleased at this point. There isn't a tough decision here, not at this juncture.
That was the deciding factor...the Browns have scored points and made big plays with Anderson..some of us KNOW what type of QB he is..
So while the Browns continue to score and win games DA is safe till offseason..
I'll make a guess he doesn't implode the rest of way like I thought he would..he'll still do those things that show he'll never be a elite QB but if what happens help the Browns continue to progress , Quinn's shot comes next season..which really works out for the best...
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I'm so tired of looking for a QB. If we can afford both of them, keep them both. Look at how many teams are hurting at the possition because they get rid of "the other guy". I'm tired of steps backwards. Until it's a cap issue keep'em both, even if DA is just for another year with a high high tender.
Let Phil focus on D D D in the off season. Throw in a RB & lets make our run next season with 2 quality QB's.
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Why is no one here considering our opponents this week? McNair is Done and Boller is gonna cost Billick his job. Here's hoping that DA Really puts on a show and lights it up against the Rats!  Ozzie saw something in DA when he drafted him in the 6th-round and tried to sneak him on the practice squad. When BB is packing his bags after this season, maybe Oz will try to work something Sweet out with Opie! Just a thought.... Go Brownies!!!!!
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I gotta chime in on that one..I'm not that confident we will be in the playoffs.. these teams aren't going to roll over and play dead for us.. 4 of 7 are on the road, I don't care whut the records are.. we DO have a stinky defense and I'm sure some coordinators are going to have some ideas on how to beat our D.. we don't get much of a push in the middle, Kam is having an off year and our corners are getting toasted.. we are dead LAST in total defense.. another thing, we are dead LAST in TOP allowed.. Holy smokes.. we allow our opponents MORE TIME ON THE FIELD than any other team in the NFL.. talk about a freakin gift for an opposing OC..
First things first, lets take care of the ravens, shut them down, see some better defense then I'll start buying into this "soft schedule and we should be in the playoffs" theory..
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I keep seeing the talk of some team giving up there #1 pick for DA. I just wonder how many teams really need a QB? I see teams like Miami being talked about but they just drafted a guy in the second. You don't draft a guy that early and then trade away you first the next year without giving the guy you drafted a shot.
Also how many QB's are projected to go in the first next year? Off the top of my head I could see Brohm, Matt Ryan, Andre Woodson and Colt Brennan. While some of them might not go that high there is always the guy that comes out of nowhere and puts up great #s at the combine that goes early. How many of these guys have a bigger upside than DA? I know that DA has proven it in the NFL and that accounts for something but NFL teams don't like to give up draft picks very often.
I just think we might not see any team giving up a high pick for DA. Who knows maybe I'm wrong and I hope I am but I don't really see it. If they do I would take it in a minute.
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If Opie trades DA to Baltimore somebody needs to take him out behind the woodshed and whoop his azz... trade him to somebody in the NFC.
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