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So your article destroys mine because you believe yours but not mine. The TV station was quoting L.A. health officials. Get that crap out of here man.

mine comes from the Cleveland Clinic published on December 20, 2021... Yours comes from a TV station that are old articles Aug 15, 2021, October 23, 2021, and October 29, 2021 with outdated studies with limited amounts of observed subjects.

You of all people shouldn't be arguing over sources or posting old articles that are obsolete and inaccurate.

Mmmm hmmmm. You do realize that "NOT fully protected." means you are still protected on some level, right? And that..... "According to the CDC, clinical trials showed that a booster shot increased the immune response in trial participants who finished a Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna two-dose series six months earlier" ......an increased immune response helps fight off the virus, correct?

When using a snippet of an article without showing its context you can paint any picture you like.

Once again, none of these sources "made up" what they reported. They reported what health experts said. But you do you.

why do you have such a problem reading?

the information directly from the Cleveland Clinic says says "This increased immune response could mean improved protection against getting infected with COVID-19, including the delta variant."

it doesn't say it helps fight off... it says it could mean improved protection.


For example, you "could" get hit by a load of seagull poop when walking around outside. if you wear tennis shoes, it could mean that you can dodge the poop before it lands on you.

It could mean a lot of things. But, there is no real evidence that you will.

This is why the CDC and the hospitals keep telling you to wash your hands, wear your masks, and avoid being around people.

The only thing the vaccine really could possibly do is help reduce the amount of sick you are.

That sounds great if you refuse to read the rest of it. There's a difference in understanding and selective editing.

there is no editing. the information clearly that says:

If you get the booster shot, had (2) doses of either pfizer or modern 6 months earlier or 1 J&J shot 2 months... it could mean improved protection against getting infected with COVID-19 or the delta variant.

it does not say you will or have improved immunity or protection


by not reading what is actually written, it could mean that your pride is bruised and you will continue to argue no matter how silly you sound.

You do realize that "NOT fully protected." means you are still protected on some level, right? And that..... "According to the CDC, clinical trials showed that a booster shot increased the immune response in trial participants who finished a Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna two-dose series six months earlier" ......an increased immune response helps fight off the virus, correct?

1. stop adding stuff to the topic/paragraph that doesn't exist.



2. my point is proven. that paragraph doesn't mention "NOT fully protected" anywhere in it. actually, it says the opposite.

the rest of that paragraph is important

this is what it the paragraph said:
"According to the CDC, clinical trials showed that a booster shot increased the immune response in trial participants who finished a Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna two-dose series six months earlier or a J&J/Janssen single-dose vaccine two months prior. This increased immune response could mean improved protection against getting infected with COVID-19, including the delta variant."



"This increased immune response could mean improved protection against getting infected with COVID-19, including the delta variant."

The statements in quotation marks actually came from your own source that you posted above........

The CDC stresses that if it’s been less than two weeks since you received a single-dose vaccine or you haven’t received your second dose in the series, you are NOT fully protected. That means you still need to take all of the necessary precautions like wearing a mask, washing your hands and avoiding large crowds.


Why two weeks?
When you get the vaccine, it enters your body and helps your immune system learn how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19. You’re not getting the live virus when you’re vaccinated. The COVID-19 vaccines that have been approved for emergency use simply teach our bodies to protect us from future infection.


According to the CDC, clinical trials showed that a booster shot increased the immune response in trial participants who finished a Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna two-dose series six months earlier or a J&J/Janssen single-dose vaccine two months prior. This increased immune response could mean improved protection against getting infected with COVID-19, including the delta variant.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-can-you-do-after-youre-fully-vaccinated/

I don’t know why you keep banging your head against his wall. He’s dug in. He’ll never change his mind. Why continue to do battle?
Let the rest of us get our superpowers like magnetism. He can be a ‘norm’. Meh.

For real though. Round and round you both go. Never gaining ground on the other. Wasted efforts on both parties. To each their own I guess.

Me? I’ll be getting my booster and wearing masks while avoiding people that are both vaccinated and those that aren’t. Y’all are likely vectors either way. I don’t want what you’re potentially carrying.

What worries me the most is that those on the fence may start to believe what he's selling. That wouldn't be good for any of us. It's not about him. I already know he's a lost cause.

you realize that there are different segments right on this page right?


you are trying to merge What does “fully vaccinated” mean & And be sure to get your COVID-19 booster
the topic you are trying to mash into what I am talking about references why you need to wait 2 weeks before you are considered "fully vaccinated"

they are two completely different topics.


furthermore, yes, in clinical trials it showed that there was an increase in the immune response. Which................


"could mean improved protection "


it does not mean improved protection

SMH

As Portland pointed out there's no need to debate you further on this. You're a lost cause. Hopefully others can see what the CDC is actually saying. Which I pointed out and you ignored.


Nobody should be sucked into your misinformation and harm themselves because of it. I pray for everyone's sake that doesn't happen.

Good luck to you.

its weird because the cleveland clinic and other hospitals here in NE ohio are begging people to get vaccinated due to the increase in covid cases and overcrowded hospitals.

im trying to figure out what SBD's argument is.

SBD, you're vaccinated correct?

I can't speak for him. What I CAN do is speak for me:

Vaccinated. So is wife and daughter (daughter currently works at a hospital in Toledo).

Wife and I have NOT had the booster, although it was discussed - and we just never did it.

Last week, I had what I told my wife was "I think I'm getting a cold". Little bit of nasal congestion, in the morning. Blow my nose once, good for the day.

A slight, and I mean the slightest headache in the afternoon - for 5 days or so. I took 1 ibuprofen for the headache each day.


Christmas gathering on Christmas day. I decided to take a test. Positive. I didn't go.

Positive on Sunday, also. Quarantined upstairs. Nothing but a little congestion. Wife is negative. Daughter took 2 tests Sunday morning. Negative, so she went to my parents place in Northern Michigan with her boyfriend.

Bored out of my brain Sunday night, I fell asleep early - upstairs by my self. 9 Pm. Wife yelled up at me a tad later "They're taking Sooga to the e.r. Heart." Well, snap. I can't go anyway, since I'm positive. So I laid on the couch wondering, praying.

Wife yelled up later "ekg is fine, but she's positive for covid". Yup, vaxxed, working in a hospital and doing everything the hospital requires..........she was positive. Felt just like me - fine.

So far, my symptoms are simply a bit of nasal congestion. I have no clue if I'm in day 5 of this, day 10? No idea. My wife DID say she was getting her booster today.

Should I make it out of this, I will also get a booster.

No clue where I got it from, no clue who I gave it to.

Bottom line, this ain't 'normal' times. If you show any symptoms, get tested. Little bit of nasal congestion? Get tested.

I could go on, but I'll stop with "I'm positive. Daughter is positive. I'm ALMOST asymptomatic, she is." What the heart issue is/was we don't know yet.


I feel fine. Today, and since I was positive, and even before. That means not much.


Sequestered upstairs, other than when I come out to my office, is boring as hell. How people can sit and watch t.v. is beyond me. Seems like 3 minutes of ads, 2 minutes of whatever the heck you're watching, then ads again.

Glad the impact has been minimal. I hope it continues that way.

so you're vaccinated, and all you got were mild symptoms.

first, thank god. second, thanks for taking the vaccine.

so i dont know what the problem is with people who refuse to take it.

at least you did your part. isnt that the bare minimum this country ask of us?

I don't know about any of all that. I somehow get a bad rep/rap on here. Yes, I, my wife, and daughter and son have been vaccinated. Son has to be, daughter has to be, wife and I got to make a choice, and we opted 'in' if you will.

I still got it. so far, so good. Same with daughter, she's positive, even though she tested negative twice on Sunday. Wife has been negative as well.

I'm doing fine, currently. I wish I knew where I was in the timeline. Doesn't matter. I firmly believe I won't die one day before, or one day after God wants me.

Did Sooga test negative twice with a home test?

I got the booster 3 or 4 weeks ago and then had the sniffles for a week. The day before the booster I was at the bar watching football with my Dearest. We both got sick so I dont think it was the booster. Did the home test and tested negative.

Last week I had cold symptoms again. Again tested negative.

Supposedly the home tests detect omicron, but I'm not so sure.

I just know she tested twice, and was negative. Until the e.r. said she was positive. Currently, she is just fine, just as I am.

Glad you guys are doing well.

I’ve heard the rapid Antigen tests are having issues detecting the Omicron variant. I’m sure we’ll hear more about it soon.

Thank you for doing your part by getting the vaccine. After all it’s our patriotic duty to our fellow citizens to do so. I know a nurse that refuses to get vacced. She works in a long term care facility and works on the covid wing. I asked her how she thinks all the long term patients who are shut in the facility with no visitors could catch covid? She said someone must of brought it in. I then asked her, Didn’t you catch covid early on? She said yeah. She then went silent.

Was just talking with my sister-in-law this morning. First time in over a year, due to her Trumpian attitude, unfriending me on FB, shutting all non trump loving rubes out of her life, and moving to Parlor back when it was a thing.

Anyway, I got to listen to her try to rationalize vaccination and vaccination hesitancy in the industry. She is fully vaccinated and been tested twice a week since the tests became available. My brother is vaccinated but is refusing to do the booster or future boosters… She then got onto how she wouldn't get anymore if she could avoid it, but since it's mandatory for her work, she will for now… This led to her telling me that there is a mass exodus of nurses and other front line personnel over the vaccine mandates in the healthcare industry.

I'd like to know from those in the field how true and how bad this “exodus” really is?

I don’t know the local numbers but I can speak anecdotally. Our office lost a nurse and one office worker related to not wanting the vaccine. I don’t know if that nurse has come around and taken the jab and another job, or not. She didn’t really need to work. She was fairly independently wealthy through other means.

The general caregiving industry locally seemed to take the biggest hit by losing the low paid caregiver roles. Most assisted living and memory care units hire unskilled, on the job trained caregivers to do the day to day care. These are hard jobs. Prior to COVID there had been staffing issues driving high turnover rates in many care facilities. Now there’s been a big drop off in those even willing to put up with the low pay, often thankless work, in a high risk healthcare setting. Why break your back working with the elderly for $12-15 an hour when you can work at Walmart, or Burger King and make the same? Many of those that held the caregiving roles also have a history of fear of such medicine based on years of shady crap in this country’s ethnic communities. Which is a round about way of saying that most caregivers in this city are of non white ethnicities. Tending to be Latino or African American.
So the industry lost its base of (sadly, grotesquely) underpaid employees in large numbers.

It’s hit our office too in so much as finding more CNAs has been tough. Hospice only hires CNAs. These are higher skilled, and better paid nursing assistants. They’ve taken coursework and paid for their certifications. Which equates to higher pay, $18-22 an hour. Even some of those have left the industry. Is it because of the vaccine? Is it because risking your health in a healthcare setting for that kind of money isn’t worth it? I can’t answer those questions.

Damn we just hit a record 300k + cases of omicron in America. Hospitals everywhere jam packed. Once again they are pausing non essential surgeries due to the surge in cases.

Ohio and Florida are getting smacked hard. And I’m not surprised in the least.

Only thing that’s gonna make me mad is the future lockdown. the TP crisis recovered faster than the snack crisis. Any of you people buying up all the cookie dough ice cream and oatmeal raisin cookies are horrible people.

lol but seriously, there was zero shortage of normal healthy food. But the entire country acted like the edibles hit hard, cause the snack isles were in a drought.

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whose daughter is this.

And they claim we're the snowflakes.

I think this chick is some sort of addict from her interactions. She acts just like one, IMO. If not, she's kind of nuts.

The commentator is correct, she went there looking to cause trouble...

I had a brush with Covid this week... on Christmas eve, we went to my nephews house... Mid week, we found out that they have covid. The niece is sick, the nephew isn't.. They went to her parents on Christmas day and some of them are sick.



Got hold of home test kits.. Me, my wife and mother in law are all good to go.

Scary moments given my mom in law is 88..

Glad you and your direct family came away uninfected. Though you may want to consider another test for everyone that was exposed. The incubation period can be long enough to render that first test moot.

I miss going into other peoples homes. I miss having people in my home. Hell, I’ve had a new puppy for almost two years. He’s never known anyone to be in his/our house. It’ll be interesting to see how he responds to the first time I allow anyone past my threshold again.

Being a nurse and living with another nurse means we have to hold ourselves at a higher standard of self discipline around our bubble’. I’m not an overly social person but I do miss hanging out on the couch with my buddies. Watching games. Sharing bowls. Those days seem long ago. They also seem a long ways away.

Be safe out there everyone.
Here’s to 2022 being better than the past two years.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hospitalization-7-day-trend/ohio/inpatient-capacity

Looks like there are multiple factors in the hospital bed shortage. Covid is part of it, but actually not as bad right now as last winter. The other factor is just a reduction in the number of staffed beds. Looks like last year we peaked about 33K beds in Ohio and now we are down to about 28K. There's a really steep decline in beds in December, I wonder if burnt out hospitals staff are just saying 'heck with this, I am going to enjoy the holidays and take off', or maybe they are in quarantine themselves.

Not to mention the staff that Biden fired because of his mandates.

Yes, since it's such a small number that doesn't really hold much of any impact, it would probably be better if you didn't mention it.

No worries, if you get covid an Army Soldier replacement will fight for you.

There is an impact in my area. Both major healthcare systems here cancelled their mandates within 3 days of the last day to get vaccinated. They didn't come out and say it, but it's obvious they were going to have to terminate a lot of staff that they couldn't afford to lose. People are sticking to their guns about not being told they have to get a shot. I wish they'd look past their egos. It's interesting to note that a lot of the healthcare professionals refusing the vaccinations are young, liberal types.

i wasnt even gonna bother responding to s00p's whatabout, but damn 40, your comment is beyond brain numbing.

you really think its smart to have unvaccinated medical workers treating covid patients?

might as well let surgeons perform a procedure on you without washing their hands after taking a dump and no gloves on.

might as well drink the water straight out of lake eerie, untreated.

I think it is pretty clear that being vaccinated doesn't prevent one from spreading the virus if they have been exposed.

We did buy enough test kits to do it in about a week then again in about 2 more weeks... Not having folks over is tough.. We used to have Bloody Mary Sundays a couple of times a year. Those were fun....

FYI, our Bloody Marys are almost a food group,,,,