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TIMOTHY...
3 teams stand out to me...
Minnesota, Chicago, and Carolina...
they are viable candidates to offer something for DA b/c...
1. all NFC teams...
2. solid teams outside of the QB position...they jump from middle of the pack to NFC playoffs with a legit QB...
3. won't be drafting high enough to take a franchise QB (unless they trade up, which is essentially the same as trading for DA, except that DA can start immediately)...
maybe someone else can answer this, though...which offense is a fit for DA?...i keep hearing that Minny wants to thrown downfield, but Jackson just can't get it done...Chicago maybe isn't an aggressive style offense...Carolina at least has Smith that they like to stretch the field with...
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With the way things are going this year i could care less if Quinn plays a down... DA is playing smart not turning over the ball, knowing what reads to make. If your open he will rarely miss u.. The only down fall is his completion %, whether that his fault the receivers, or both... I say we ride the DA train until the wheels fall off.. Quinn is only 2.2 million a year. that is nothing in the NFL world.. 
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Why do people keep thinking that DA is going to get us back into the first round, even if his play is solid and it has been for the most part, but he's only a first year starter. His play could be a fluke or he could turn into a solid QB, that still remains to be seen and I doubt that any teams are going to give up first round picks for DA, at least not until he proves himself another year as starter. Also, why do we want to get rid of him???? I've always heard a saying, "if it's not broken, don't fix it." We could use the one/two punch at QB and Quinn has yet to take a snap in a regular season game, so we don't really know what kind of QB he will be in real game situations? I don't want to hear any Notre Dame talk because this is the NFL not the NCAA. The offense seems to be working better than it has for a long time with DA at QB so why are we in such a hurry to change that? I say resign DA and let him continue to start, then if he goes south and looks bad then we can switch to Quinn and still have DA as backup, he knows the system and seems comfy with it.
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We could use the one/two punch at QB
Is there even such a thing? The only teams that need two QBs on the roster are the ones that don't have one legitimate enough to hold down the fort. I would hope we could find that with our two possibilities. Look at the best QBs in the league - Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Tony Romo, etc. Does it even matter who their backups are? They never see a snap.
Meanwhile, with a one/two punch at QB, we have no punch at all on the defensive line. If we can deal off one to put another person on the team that will actually see the field, I'm all for it. It doesn't make any sense to hold onto depth at one position where only one guy plays at a time when you have dire needs elsewhere.
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The offense seems to be working better than it has for a long time with DA at QB so why are we in such a hurry to change that?
The question is not, is it better than it used to be? ... the question is, is it as good as it could be?
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No way Miami gives up the #1 OAP for either DA or Anderson.
Once we tender DA, the interest will come from teams in the 20's....maybe late teens.
That is the area a trade for them begins to make sense.
Personally, I really hope we strike while the iron is still hot. DA's value is going to go through the roof if we go to the playoffs or atleast approach the possibility. We need defensive help so bad, I'm inclined to get as much as we can for him and start the Brady Quinn experiment.
If I had to make a list right now I think any of these teams could potentially offer up their picks for DA if he continues to play well throughout the year:
Chicago
Jacksonville (depending one how in love they are with Garrard).
Minnesota
Carolina
There are a few other maybes but those teams (especially ones like Chicago, Jacksonville and Carolina) who are going to finish in the middle of the pack, will most likely think long and hard about it.
and the bears are notorious for wanting to get out of their first round draft picks, jerry angelo prefers the later rounds, and the mccaskeys hate paying anyone...
if i'm the bears i don't do it, because a lot of DA's success has hinged on solid offensive line play, and great receivers/tight ends
chicago has neither...
a garbage set of old offensive lineman, and one of the worst receiving corps in the league...
i also think trading DA would be the best move for the browns...
but a lot can happen between now and then...
i would actually take a stud DL over a first rounder, as long as the guy was under 25-26...
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If they win out, which is possible and DA throws close to 30 TD's, which is also possible at this point, he will fetch a nice prize.
I personally can't think of getting rid of him while he is leading the team to wins. Quinn is getting just what we wanted, a year on the bench to learn.
If the team makes the playoffs, it means DA continues to play well. What would it saty to the rest of the team if he leads them to the playoffs and then you trade him. For years we couldn't get FAs to come here, now the atmosphere is one that players want. I say sign him if we make the playoffs.
Quinn making 2million plus is not much to carry for another year, plus I still believe his contract goes up if he starts. Keep them both. Most who want him traded right now are the same that are salivating over Quinn. (cough Spectre )cough)They are trying to use the "get us some front 7" crap to hide their real agenda. Nobody knows what Quinn can do, it's impossible until he hits the field. Pulling a winning QB just to find out is just plain stupid. Training camp is where that is done, not down the stretch with a playoff chance within grasp.
If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. Let the season play out. Maybe he gets better, maybe he stops improving and hits a wall, maybe he falls apart. Quinn ain't going nowhere. He has a contract and a future in the league. DA has watched for a couple years now, and I think it might have helped him. If Quinn is everthing people expect, imagine what this learning time is doing for him.
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maybe Oz will try to work something Sweet out with Opie! Just a thought....
If Opie trades DA to Baltimore somebody needs to take him out behind the woodshed and whoop his azz... trade him to somebody in the NFC.
I have a feeling that just will never happen DC!
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If the team makes the playoffs, it means DA continues to play well. What would it saty to the rest of the team if he leads them to the playoffs and then you trade him. For years we couldn't get FAs to come here, now the atmosphere is one that players want. I say sign him if we make the playoffs.
Quinn making 2million plus is not much to carry for another year, plus I still believe his contract goes up if he starts. Keep them both. Most who want him traded right now are the same that are salivating over Quinn. (cough Spectre )cough)They are trying to use the "get us some front 7" crap to hide their real agenda. Nobody knows what Quinn can do, it's impossible until he hits the field. Pulling a winning QB just to find out is just plain stupid. Training camp is where that is done, not down the stretch with a playoff chance within grasp,
I understand what you're saying, I just think Quinn is a better QB then Anderson. Not WILL be but IS right now. The problem? As you said, you can't pull a QB that's winning games.
Don't get me wrong, DA has been good but his accuracy will always be an issue. He was a 50% passer in college and has continued to hit that mark against the better pass defenses we have played (Pittsburgh (2), Oakland, New England, Baltimore). Unless that improves, it will continue to cost us games (it has cost us 2 this season IMO.....Oakland (slow start) and Pittsburgh (no yardage in the 2nd half)). Was it all his fault? Obviously not but better QB play could have EASILY netted us 2 more wins.
Also, DA still doesn't scan the field if his primary target is covered. He continually locked on to his receiver against Pittsburgh and failed to make adjustments if they were not open. It really started to show up in the second half, even when he had time in the pocket. I think that's where Quinn will eventually outshine him. Brady can check down through routes and look off defenders. I also believe he can audible out of a play based on what he sees from a defense. I don't want to discredit DA too much here but I don't know how well he sees the field pre-snap.
Anderson has been very good for us and hopefully he continues to be! But in the end, I think Quinn is the guy. DA can be good but I think Quinn has those intangibles to one day be great. If we decided to trade Anderson I'll understand why but if it doesn't happen this off-season I don't see it happening the following year. I think we would take a 2nd and 3rd for DA.....or even a late 1st and late 4th. I'm not 100% sure of the specifics on tendered contracts but I believe the team can trade the player for less then the tendered DP's if they so desire? I don't think Savage is going to ask for the tendered 1st and 3rd in a trade......I think he would settled for less in this case. We're not going to franchise DA the following year if a deal can't be worked out (IMO) and have Quinn sit another year (a 3rd) in an attempt to trade a player. I would guess if that's how the situation plays out we may just let him walk (as SD with Brees) and let Quinn take over.
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I would like to add that I watched most of the NFL RePlay last night.. and one thing that I was extremely glad to see was on DA's 2nd TD pass to Vickers, as the offense was coming off the field, Quinn was 5 yards out on the field, clapping and slapping hands and chest bumping the offense... I know he won't be happy to sit for an extended period, but it appears that at least for now, he's taking it well and geniunely happy with our success... 
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I agree with just about everything you wrote except the following comment Quote:
Also, DA still doesn't scan the field if his primary target is covered. He continually locked on to his receiver against Pittsburgh and failed to make adjustments if they were not open.
DA really doesn't lock in.. he scans the field looking for his 1st, 2nd and 3rd options all the time.. but you are correct on one thing, he didn't do that much in the Pittsburgh game on Sunday... But then,, it appeared that everything down field was covered so he ended up going short..
But let's be honest,, we wouldn't even be discussing this if some of his throws weren't so off target... He consistently (in the second half) threw behind receivers or at thier feet... He really wasn't on his game in the second half at all.... Had he been, I'm confident we would have won the game and all of this talk would be a non-issue
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I agree with just about everything you wrote except the following comment
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Also, DA still doesn't scan the field if his primary target is covered. He continually locked on to his receiver against Pittsburgh and failed to make adjustments if they were not open.
DA really doesn't lock in.. he scans the field looking for his 1st, 2nd and 3rd options all the time.. but you are correct on one thing, he didn't do that much in the Pittsburgh game on Sunday... But then,, it appeared that everything down field was covered so he ended up going short..
But let's be honest,, we wouldn't even be discussing this if some of his throws weren't so off target... He consistently (in the second half) threw behind receivers or at thier feet... He really wasn't on his game in the second half at all.... Had he been, I'm confident we would have won the game and all of this talk would be a non-issue
Alot of that had to do with pittsburgh changing there D- scheme imo. But yes! he did throw behind and at the feet.
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