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It's just mind boggling that RAC doesn't get the Defense straighted out.. IT's HIS team!!! OR, OR, could it just be that the Pats just had superior talent, and simply followed their instincts and made RAC look like a genius?
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The key to this group has been the addition of Joe Thomas, the left tackle who was the team's first-round draft choice (and No. 3 overall). Cleveland general manager Phil Savage had to make a tough decision: Do you take the left tackle to solidify your offensive line, or try to get the quarterback of the future? Phil Savage chose Thomas over Brady Quinn. He thought he made the right choice at the time, despite its apparent unpopularity in Cleveland at that moment
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maybe old Charlie should do his homework before writing this stuff
And your right, he wasn't that great a GM
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It's just mind boggling that RAC doesn't get the Defense straighted out.. IT's HIS team!!! OR, OR, could it just be that the Pats just had superior talent, and simply followed their instincts and made RAC look like a genius?
Or maybe he...get this...actually let's the coaches coach!
If you are going to go on a witch hunt, go burn mr Grantham.
you had a good run Hank.
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I think he's wrong on Thomas.
Thomas is a should-be pro bowler his ROOKIE YEAR. Just imagine how he'll pan out his whole career.
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My main concern is this team stepping up and beating Baltimore, Hopefully we dont have a hang over from the steeler game, hopefully we learned a few things about our team we need to fix. As for RAc I do think people need to get off his behind, Ya the D has been pretty bad, for many reasons, I'm not sure if RAC has a magic wond he can wave & fix it, All Pro DT Corners & LB are not lined up on the waiver wire waiting for us to sign them, and the players that are on the waiver wire....Well there's a reason the on the waiver wire, just because last November somebody saw this DT dominate a college game VS Grand Valley St. dosent mean he will dominate in the NFL..So save the RAC is stupied for not signing so in so, or if we wanna win we gotta sign, so in so from ukon A&M he had 12 sack, I saw him play .....Sometime what ya got to work with is what ya got and ya have to make due...I check Ebay and didnt see any all Pro Defensive players for sale. This off season the D will be addressed just like the Off was last off season, were building the right way, NO & NY Jets built the quick way last year, and there struggling this year, give RAC a shot last thing we need is to start all over again, were making head way. Maybe it's time we fans stop complaining & whinning about things we feel arn't being done and appriciate the things that are....Were so use to whinning it seems thats all we do, we've gotten good at it, but it's time to stop & start supporting the Team, players & coachs..... 
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I think he's wrong on Thomas.
Thomas is a should-be pro bowler his ROOKIE YEAR. Just imagine how he'll pan out his whole career.
I can't imagine how someone can watch Thomas and say that he won't be a multiple time pro-bowler.
you had a good run Hank.
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It's just mind boggling that RAC doesn't get the Defense straighted out.. IT's HIS team!!! OR, OR, could it just be that the Pats just had superior talent, and simply followed their instincts and made RAC look like a genius?
Or maybe he...get this...actually let's the coaches coach!
If you are going to go on a witch hunt, go burn mr Grantham.
O, no doubt.. As he should, thats what they get paid for. I couldn't just sit back and let this happen though, he must stop the bleeding..
Maybe Grantham needs coached himself.. The coordination is horrible, But RAC being a defense type guy, needs to intervien, because it's making him look worse.
I hear ya though.. 
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Thanks for the read..
Would be nice to get a rematch with Pitt
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There still is the chance, sure.. BUT, teams like the Titans and Jags have a better Defense, and not to bad of an offense..
Yeah, but the Titans and Jags have a tougher schedule down the stretch. We will need some help to get in but we must only worry about the teams we play. Either way, it'll be fun knowing we have something to play for this time of year!!! 
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could it just be that the Pats just had superior talent
Bingo!!!! Go Brownies!!!
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It's just a matter of "Win and We Are In"! JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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It's just mind boggling that RAC doesn't get the Defense straighted out.. IT's HIS team!!! OR, OR, could it just be that the Pats just had superior talent, and simply followed their instincts and made RAC look like a genius?
Dude why don't you go through the threads that discuss the D and you'll have your answers..
This question comes up time after time..the answers are here..go search it out.
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They have a very favorable schedule for the rest of the season. They will not play a team with a winning record in their last seven games,
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The Bills were 4-4 before this week & they play NE Sunday... Bills = Nice Story but Not This Year!!! JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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Since when does another team's record have anything to do with their ability to win or lose a game? ANY... GIVEN... oh, who the hell cares? Marshawn Lynch is banged up. They barely beat Miami. They don't really have a set QB (Losman, Edwards, Losman, Edwards) and they play us at home. Enough said. I'm more worried about the Ravens this weekend and Cincy later on. Division games are always huge. At Arizona could be a tough one too.
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Tennessee and Jacksonville are the others in the AFC.......any others??
Both have to Also go to Indy this season. We will take care of Buffalo head-to-head (they play NE this week, also). Looks good for the Brownies. IMO Go Brownies
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It's just mind boggling that RAC doesn't get the Defense straighted out.. IT's HIS team!!! OR, OR, could it just be that the Pats just had superior talent, and simply followed their instincts and made RAC look like a genius?
DING DING DING we have a winner for the most lost post. Of course the Pats have superior talent to our own. And yes they made RAC look good, thats what talent does. And on the other side of the coin when you lack talent you look BAD. WOW, what a strange idea indeed. You can enter the Indy 500 driving a Ugo but I doubt your going to win.
The part folks miss is this RAC built the defense in NE. He made up the game plans, he decided who played and who did not play. But the single most important thing RAC did in NE is he developed the talent into a defensive team that understood their roll and fit, and the importance of the team 1st idea.
I will never forget a post I saw back around the time RAC came on board. The post was from a Pats fan. He said a lot of people wanted RAC fired because the Pats defense was pretty bad the 1st 2 seasons, but as players were added and developed they began to win football games, then they became a dominating defense and the guy gave all the credit to RAC, and I might add so does BB.
Now we have made minor additions to the defense but not enough additions to make us a great defensive team just yet. Sorry that fans can't see what is actaully happening in Cleveland, we have a team of players that now understand that the team comes first. We have a team of players that play hard, and give a solid effort, game in, game out. That folks is the beginning and like RAC, don't like RAC, the fact that it has taken this long for the team 1st idea to sink in isn't RAC's fault it's the players, now that they get it, and they do, will begin to see greatness in this team. The message from RAC has always been the same message, "team first". Does that address the lack of talent we have in area's on this team? No. But, without a team of players that are commited to the team we will never win consistantly. That is the 1st step in being a winner folks and that all goes right back to RAC.
Our defense will improve, RAC is now fully involved with that unit. But as great a defensive mind as RAC has, he will not be able to make up for some of the talent issues we clearly have.
Miss the team thing though I think you miss what has been the most impotant contribution RAC has made to this team. Nothing can stop this team now, they are on their way, because they all now understand how important the team concept is to winning. And not just winning but winning championships. Remember where you heard it!!
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I agree. We should win all of the remaining games.
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OK, man... I see that,... But we have talent here, thats the thing... We have guys playing the WRONG postion, suited for THAT player.. They need to get some of these guys keyed in at differant spots..
Like Bodden. He's going down hill.. He rarely looks for the ball, because he cant look back and run forward at the same time.. He's fine side to side, but the streaking routes kill him.. E. Wright has the same problem, but has been getting better recently, but he's also a rookie.. But you can tell he is adjusting.. So, Bodden needs moved.. Put McDonald over there, because he is a natural ball hawk ---- HEARD THAT HERE------..
Willie needs replaced also.. Make Willie a NT, and get Chaun lined up.. Chaun is a high powered player, and should be on the field as much as possible..
Willies problem is high ankles.. TOO MUCH TAPE and no mobility.. SO, have him in a situation where forward is his first move. JMO..
The D-line played great Sunday, it wasn't their job to stop Ben in those situations.. You cant have a QB spy with a guy that is slower then his target man..
What I'm saying is, we have talent.. Just wrong placement, and tebbile schemes.. These guys can get it done..
If we had someone spy Ben that whole game, that could run and keep CONSTANT pressure, we win that game..
The Offense got us a lead, and we blow it, because the whole middle was open like 7-11.. And the guys that had Ben locked, just couldn't keep up, or where just simple pushed off balance..
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OK, man... I see that,... But we have talent here, thats the thing... We have guys playing the WRONG postion, suited for THAT player.. They need to get some of these guys keyed in at differant spots..
Like Bodden. He's going down hill.. He rarely looks for the ball, because he cant look back and run forward at the same time.. He's fine side to side, but the streaking routes kill him.. E. Wright has the same problem, but has been getting better recently, but he's also a rookie.. But you can tell he is adjusting.. So, Bodden needs moved.. Put McDonald over there, because he is a natural ball hawk ---- HEARD THAT HERE------..
Willie needs replaced also.. Make Willie a NT, and get Chaun lined up.. Chaun is a high powered player, and should be on the field as much as possible..
Willies problem is high ankles.. TOO MUCH TAPE and no mobility.. SO, have him in a situation where forward is his first move. JMO..
The D-line played great Sunday, it wasn't their job to stop Ben in those situations.. You cant have a QB spy with a guy that is slower then his target man..
What I'm saying is, we have talent.. Just wrong placement, and tebbile schemes.. These guys can get it done..
If we had someone spy Ben that whole game, that could run and keep CONSTANT pressure, we win that game..
The Offense got us a lead, and we blow it, because the whole middle was open like 7-11.. And the guys that had Ben locked, just couldn't keep up, or where just simple pushed off balance..
Here is the part that sets me apart from you and quite a bit of the board. I don't want to single you out, you just happen to be handy.
You say we have talent on this team right from the top of your post. Then you go on to slam that talent. Do you really honest to God think that YOU have a better idea who gives the Browns the best chance to win. Since RAC's very livelyhood depends on his choices do you really really believe that YOU have a better idea, come on guy give me a break. Do you have actuall NFL coaching experience? Do you watch and understand the plays that are being called and how each player fits into that plan? Now granted you see the result of that plan, and you have a limited idea of what you think is wrong, but the truth is you lack the experience, and nuts and bolts knowledge of what it actually will take to fix it. Thats the part people leave out, they don't know, and they more often then not overreact becuase the team just lost a game.
For instance most people were praising the return of WM 2 weeks ago becuase of the positive effect he has had on the other defensive players, and in run support. Most people RAC included would likely tell you that WM best days are behind him. But that doesn't mean he still isn't a good smart player, that gives this team the best chance to win. CT doesn't start over WM, AP, AD, DJ, KW because they are better then he is, even if you think he is he isn't. After all we have a NFL coach that says so, and you who are you?? It doesn't mean CT isn't a good player, it doesn't mean he doesn't have more potential then the players that are on the field, it means at this point in time for a host of reasons he isn't our best option, if he where he would be playing, it really is just that simple. Same goes for Holly over Bodden or Wright. Doesn't mean Holly isn't a good player just not as good as the guys that are starting in front of him.
Thinking you know what is best, based on a gut feeling or the emotions that come with a loss to the side you don't, get over yourself. Lets put it this way don't wait for the Browns to call asking for you advise they are paid pro's and they see these guys every single day in practice they understand what they need to get from each and every player and position. And they inspite of what you think know who best fits that roll. If they were to go with fans ideas this team would be far worse then anybody could ever imagine thats for sure.
Thinking you know more about what is wrong and how to fix it is well for lack of a better word stupid. If you again think that RAC and company don't know what they need to fix it then again your wrong. They know but they have to work with the best of what they have at this time. If the answer to the problem where sitting on the bench they would know it.
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OK, man... I see that,... But we have talent here, thats the thing... We have guys playing the WRONG postion, suited for THAT player.. They need to get some of these guys keyed in at differant spots..
Like Bodden. He's going down hill.. He rarely looks for the ball, because he cant look back and run forward at the same time.. He's fine side to side, but the streaking routes kill him.. E. Wright has the same problem, but has been getting better recently, but he's also a rookie.. But you can tell he is adjusting.. So, Bodden needs moved.. Put McDonald over there, because he is a natural ball hawk ---- HEARD THAT HERE------..
Willie needs replaced also.. Make Willie a NT, and get Chaun lined up.. Chaun is a high powered player, and should be on the field as much as possible..
Willies problem is high ankles.. TOO MUCH TAPE and no mobility.. SO, have him in a situation where forward is his first move. JMO..
The D-line played great Sunday, it wasn't their job to stop Ben in those situations.. You cant have a QB spy with a guy that is slower then his target man..
What I'm saying is, we have talent.. Just wrong placement, and tebbile schemes.. These guys can get it done..
If we had someone spy Ben that whole game, that could run and keep CONSTANT pressure, we win that game..
The Offense got us a lead, and we blow it, because the whole middle was open like 7-11.. And the guys that had Ben locked, just couldn't keep up, or where just simple pushed off balance..
Here is the part that sets me apart from you and quite a bit of the board. I don't want to single you out, you just happen to be handy.
You say we have talent on this team right from the top of your post. Then you go on to slam that talent. Do you really honest to God think that YOU have a better idea who gives the Browns the best chance to win. Since RAC's very livelyhood depends on his choices do you really really believe that YOU have a better idea, come on guy give me a break. Do you have actuall NFL coaching experience? Do you watch and understand the plays that are being called and how each player fits into that plan? Now granted you see the result of that plan, and you have a limited idea of what you think is wrong, but the truth is you lack the experience, and nuts and bolts knowledge of what it actually will take to fix it. Thats the part people leave out, they don't know, and they more often then not overreact becuase the team just lost a game.
For instance most people were praising the return of WM 2 weeks ago becuase of the positive effect he has had on the other defensive players, and in run support. Most people RAC included would likely tell you that WM best days are behind him. But that doesn't mean he still isn't a good smart player, that gives this team the best chance to win. CT doesn't start over WM, AP, AD, DJ, KW because they are better then he is, even if you think he is he isn't. After all we have a NFL coach that says so, and you who are you?? It doesn't mean CT isn't a good player, it doesn't mean he doesn't have more potential then the players that are on the field, it means at this point in time for a host of reasons he isn't our best option, if he where he would be playing, it really is just that simple. Same goes for Holly over Bodden or Wright. Doesn't mean Holly isn't a good player just not as good as the guys that are starting in front of him.
Thinking you know what is best, based on a gut feeling or the emotions that come with a loss to the side you don't, get over yourself. Lets put it this way don't wait for the Browns to call asking for you advise they are paid pro's and they see these guys every single day in practice they understand what they need to get from each and every player and position. And they inspite of what you think know who best fits that roll. If they were to go with fans ideas this team would be far worse then anybody could ever imagine thats for sure.
Thinking you know more about what is wrong and how to fix it is well for lack of a better word stupid. If you again think that RAC and company don't know what they need to fix it then again your wrong. They know but they have to work with the best of what they have at this time. If the answer to the problem where sitting on the bench they would know it.
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Man, I said WM cant run.. Watch the game, focus on feet.. Telling by how a player moves, and reacts can tell you many things.. You got to a college combine, and the guy your interested in cant run, or the CB doesn't look for the ball, when his job is to knock passes down or pick them off something he isn't looking for, are you going to take him in the draft? It's the same thing.. How can you miss WM not being able to move? BEN RAN AT HIM, and STILL got by him, LOL,,
How can you not see Bodden looking for the ball, when they show the replay over and over, or the ball hitting him in the back of the head, and still he is swatting two from it, because he really has no idea where the ball is.. This is easy pickins man.. Common sense..
Im saying there are guys there, that do what should be done..
Chaun might not be a better player then WM, but he knows the position, and is twice as fast..
Look, Im a fan, I notice things, thats what I notice...
Im not trying to get into a pissin match with ya, but all this stuff is evident..
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I am proud of you for sure I am. You trust your eyes I trust RAC's eyes, and his knowledge and his experience in every respect over yours. It's that simple be a critic if you want but don't expect the phone to ring, and don't expect me to take your experience over RAC's. By the way what would your experience be?? Oh you are a fan, but you are a smart fan right??? Yeah well a smart fan would know he doesn't know. Sometimes its admitting that you would like to know but the honest truth is you lack the experience, the interaction and knowledge of the actual nuts and bolts to make any kind of actual smart choice. And the smart thing is to realize you don't know as much as you wished you did. I realize you don't know, want to prove to me your smart, admit you wished you did, but the truth is you don't The very idea that a coach wouldn't play his best players at the NFL level is well stupid. I have seen a few of your posts seems like at every turn people question your ability to think and reason. Perhaps you should have a TO, and think about what your saying and not over react becuase the team lost last weekend. You'll recover but you haven't yet!!
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In order for us to win the rest of our games we need to just keep doing what we've been doing.
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Well, even if our offense does enough to win enough games to gain a wildcard berth, out defense will not be able to close out games against almost any of the other playoff teams! The Browns should be 7-2 right now, beating Oakland and Pitt, the 2nd matchup to get there but since we don't have defense that can close out a game and sometimes our offense falls off in the 2nd half, see Pitt game, we would be very lucky to make a wildcard berth and even if we do, I'm not convinced this team is really that good! Not yet anyways! I mean seriously, we've only beaten 1, I'll say that again, 1 team above .500, all other wins have come against teams that are below .500! That doesn't say much for the whole of this team! The offense has been improved to a degree, Anderson has been a pleasant surprise but we still can't find ways to beat some of the better teams, especially Pitt!
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Maybe Grantham needs coached himself..
Or maybe he just needs more talent on that side of the ball,,,,
No damn Dline,,
two LB's that are solid (peek and wimbley)
2 others that aren't getting the job done for various reasons (davis and McGinnest)
1 other that is gonna get there (DQ Jackson)
one on the bubble that probably will be good (Leon Williams)
1 CB that's a rookie but seems to be Getting it.
1 CB that had a couple of good years but is supposedly hurt with a groin pull
2 safeties that aren't getting the job done...
and people want to know why we aren't having a great year defensively,,,,
what the hell, let's blame the coach and the DC.. It's all thier fault that they can't make a chocolate cake out of straw!
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I honestly dont see grantham around much longer. Did anyone see how pissed Romeo was sunday?
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I honestly dont see grantham around much longer. Did anyone see how pissed Romeo was sunday?
Yeah, seen that, surprised, LOL..
As far as the talent.. Your right, all of them you mentioned, but there are other guys that dont start, that want to, and could fill in just as good, if not better..
And the Dline played very good Sunday, they where just driven out of Ben path, like the O-line is sopposed to do.. But they did have more pressure then any other game this year.. The Dline was the strongest part, followed by the rookie Wright.. The kid is learning on the fly, and picking it up pretty good.. I am beginning to really dislike Bodden, big disappointment thus far.. You know, if it wasn't for those two INT's grant, which were big, but if he would have played better in the whole game, then just a play or 2 , that INT would have little to no impact on the game..
So, yes, the STARTING talent is lacking.. Oddly enough, I said this already.. But, they could be replaced, much like the QB position..
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I did see a fat black guy screaming at another guy on the sidelines after somebody screwed up.. but it couldn't have been Romeo because he lacks the fire and intensity and is too nice and just wants to be buddies with everybody... 
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Rabid: At this point, I would be tickled pink with making the playoffs. I don't expect much more than that. Let's just worry about getting there before we worry about who we'd play and how far we'd go.
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I still get kicks out of that, people saying Romeo isn't passionate or whatever. I definitely think he is good enough as a motivator. I just hope he gets his clock management issues worked out lol.
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It's just mind boggling that RAC doesn't get the Defense straighted out.. IT's HIS team!!! OR, OR, could it just be that the Pats just had superior talent, and simply followed their instincts and made RAC look like a genius?
It all starts with talent... i.e. the Pats have 3 stud 1st rounders on the DL.... and it doesn't stop there.
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Maybe it's time we fans stop complaining & whinning about things we feel arn't being done and appriciate the things that are....Were so use to whinning it seems thats all we do, we've gotten good at it, but it's time to stop & start supporting the Team, players & coachs.....
And a hearty Amen to that..
I think the Browns are very capable of winning out. The on ly teams that give worry
are Arizona and Buffalo Nobody knows until the games are played.
I'd be real happy with sweeping the ratbirds and the Bengals
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I'd be real happy with sweeping the ratbirds and the Bengals
Yeah, I heard that.
Let's not forget so soon, Dawgs... this is the same team that went 0-6 in divisional games last year. Man- to sweep 2 of 3 divisional teams after last year constitutes improvement on ANY team in my book.... whether they make the playoffs or not.
I'll make no predictions about how we play out the stretch, because I'm just having too damn much fun watching this team from week to week. That's new enough for me, considering how I usually feel in November.
I appreciate the thread, Peen- but Baltimore is far enough ahead for me to look, thank you very much.
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There isn't another team on our schedule that we can't beat..
I'll match that with, "There isn't a team on our schedule that can't beat us!"
The fans are getting way ahead of themselves...we have been riding the DA train and if he faulters this team will have serious problems.
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About to post CAN A 12-4 BROWNS MISS THE PLAYOFFS TO AN 8-8 TEAM YES!
Its just a matter of time until some team suffers this fate in the current system. The current system is broken only since they re structured to 4 divisions per conference (when seattle went to nfc) so it hasn't been aparant the huge travesty of the league curently. If it ain't broke don't fix it, but since it is broke I propose a fix. (A FITTING RULE CHANGE) The real question is football a regional game or national in 2007, now maybe in 1960 you could argue that they played a different style of football in the different parts of the country and therefore each style should be represented, therefore the division winner for each division should be guaranteed a playoff berth. BUT UNTIL TWO YEARS AGO THAT WAS ONLY 3 TEAMS PER CONFERENCE NOW IT IS 4 What if the best teams in football are in one division or in two divisions Actually it is more likely to happen because with re-structuring the teams play only 6 games vs their own division instead of 8 in over half of the divisions,(4 with 5 teams, 2 with 4 teams) under the old system. what if one division has 4 teams with a losing record, do any deserve a playoff berth??? The NFL should institue a rule that if any division winner should not reach 10 victories or the winning percentage that 10 wins gives you in the current schedule (inserted in case the season length is changed) ... that if any team doesn't reach 10 wins that that team would then be up for the same tie breaking procedures as the teams eligible for the wild card playoff berths. Here is how it could happen this year.
The colts and patriots go 14-2 the titans and jaguars go 12-4 the steelers go 12-4 and the Browns go 12-4 and the Browns miss the playoffs but who gets in An 8-8 team from the afc west , or even a 7-9 team from the afc west. I might be proven wrong but it looks pretty da..mmm possible and it would be a travesty The system is broke and it needs fixed, its just a matter of time before something like this happens  
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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No matter the system, if you win your division, you deserve to go....yes....even if somehow a browns team was the one to get left out.
If you take it to your length....maybe divisions shouldn't even matter??
Not to mention the Jags and titans and Colts still have games with each other remaining....they all won't end up 12-4.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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No matter the system, if you win your division, you deserve to go....yes....even if somehow a browns team was the one to get left out.
I agree...
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I just take it one game at a time...anything more would be uncivilized...
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
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http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/11633601.htmlBrowns in the hunt to reach playoffs, but far from perfect Browns could easily finish with 9 victories Published on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 As long as the Browns continue hosting events like the Kyle Boller coming-out party, they will not be a complete team. Or a good team. But right now they are a winning team, and that is pretty much all that matters. Doesn't matter how they did it, whether they needed an official's huddle or their cornerbacks running from Baltimore to the Eastern Shore chasing Ravens receivers like Devard Darling in a futile effort to stop Boller. Doesn't matter. All that matters is the Browns are a game out of first and in the thick of the wild-card hunt in the AFC. Who would have thought the Browns would be 6-4 at this point and looking at a trip to Arizona as perhaps the toughest remaining game on the schedule? The Browns are legitimate playoff contenders. They're not going to win a Super Bowl. They probably won't get past the first round, not with a run defense that consistently gives up a 100-yard performance from a back and a pass defense that allows Boller to throw for 255 yards — IN ONE HALF. But they're in the hunt for the right to be annihilated by the New England Patriots in the playoffs, which surely is something better than the past few years. All this demands a quick look at the remaining schedule. Sunday against Houston. The Texans quietly have become very pesky at 5-5, so this game will not be easy. Their defense held the New Orleans Saints to 10 points Sunday, and when Andre Johnson is healthy (as he is), Matt Schaub is that much better of a quarterback. Look out, Browns secondary. Schaub threw for 293 yards and two touchdowns against New Orleans. Dec. 2 at Arizona. The Arizona Cardinals, like the Browns, are changing the perception they're a leaguewide joke. Arizona just scored 35 on the Cincinnati Bengals, which is 16 fewer than the Browns scored on the Bengals in Derek Anderson's first start. The Browns were at home; the Cardinals were on the road. Arizona has always had talent — running back Edgerrin James, and receivers Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin — and now they might finally have coaching. Don't snicker at this team. It has a home game against San Francisco prior to the Browns' visit, so it could be 6-5 and in the hunt for the NFC West title. Dec. 9 at the New York Jets. One would surmise that if the strike that has darkened New York theaters is over by early December, then Romeo Crennel will take his team to a show this weekend. He'll probably stop by the half-price booth and pick up ducats for Les Miserables or something, then follow it up with a trip to go ice skating at Rockefeller Center. Crennel's that kind of cultural guy. As for the game, yeah, the Jets beat the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday. Apparently, every Jet has its day. If the Browns don't win this one, they don't deserve to be in the playoff hunt. Dec. 16 against Buffalo. Watch the Bills look completely inept against New England and it's difficult not to conclude the Patriots could go down as one of the best teams in NFL history. Yes, better even than the Browns' playoff team of 2002. It's also amazing to see New England and Bill Belichick twice go for it in the second half on fourth-and-1 with the Patriots up by nearly 200. At some point this will come back to get him, but not this season. A 56-10 score sounds like a game between Ohio State and Kenyon, for crying out loud. Dec. 23 at Cincinnati. In Annie Hall, Woody Allen once walked up to a man on the streets of New York and asked a question about his love life. The man gave a wacky answer. Allen said something to the effect: ''Ask a psychopath a question, get a psychopathic answer.'' The Bengals are the NFL's example of that statement. Put together a team of psychopaths, get a psychopathic team. Amazing, isn't it, that a defensive coach like Marvin Lewis can wind up with a worse defense than even Cleveland? Dec. 30 against San Francisco. The 49ers scare nobody this season, so if the Browns play them in the finale with a playoff spot on the line, their chances look better than decent. Put all this together and there are three games the Browns should win: the Jets, Cincinnati and San Francisco. Three games will be challenges: Houston, Arizona and Buffalo. That means the Browns now reside in the mucky middle of the NFL, where any week they can win (witness two 33-30 overtimes in the past three games) or any week they can lose (witness Pittsburgh). That's a giant step forward for them, though, because the last two years they resided with the dregs. And every year one team comes out of the muckety middle to make a run to the playoffs. At this point of this season, there's no reason to think that team will not be the Browns. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick McManamon can be reached at pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Again, he´s right with his overall assessment...but he sure sounds like a PIT beatwriter assessing the Browns situation No word about the defense in the 1st half, no word on the DL (he still labels our run-D as weak based on season stats....completely ignoring the trend of the last 4 games)...no word about Cribbs monster day...and to top it he makes it sound like we stole the game on a bad ref-call the way he emphasized it Pat, get over it....the Browns have already more wins than you probably predicted for the whole season... I dont know if Pat got mobbed or something while with the Browns but he sure sounds like a guy who doesn´t want them to win.....really
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