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Arent buffalo and houston our main concerns because they are also in the wild card hunt?

When Boller comes in and puts up 30 and your O falls asleep in the second half EVERYBODY is "a concern".

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As long as the Browns continue hosting events like the Kyle Boller coming-out party, they will not be a complete team.

Or a good team.

But right now they are a winning team, and that is pretty much all that matters.

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Ya know,, that really is all that matters..

But yet, you can bet that if we got to and won the Superbowl, someone on here would say that if DA had thrown that last pass a little higher we would have won by more than 1 point

I guarantee it....

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At this point, our main concern is winning games, No opponent is any more important than any other. We make the playoffs by winning games, not by beating specific teams.

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That says it all....nut shell...bottom line ect.....

We get to the playoffs by beating The Next Opponent, there is no other way as there is nothing else we can do. Everything after that will have to take care of itself.

I am just saying statistically these 2 teams are our biggest concerns. They have the the best records right now after us.

We get a wildcard berth by going no less than 10-6, that affords us two more losses at most but I'm not even sure we can afford that? I'm sure 11-5 would get us in and I think it's possible for the Browns to acheive this goal with such a favorable schedule. I don't see much hope of us overtaking the Steelers for the Division Title, that would take a few miracles to happen, specifically the Steelers to lose several more games and us to not lose anymore games! I still think it's too ify to talk playoffs but I also think a wildcard is possible! However, I don't see this team being able to go past 1 game in the playoffs with the way our defense has been playing, ugh!

we're really not far behind. With the tie-breaker (they beat us 2x) their lead's only 1.5 games...and they still have the Pats to deal with..

Our chances are slim, but a bit wider than most would think..

I'm disappointed. I was expecting your "It's way too early to talk about the playoffs" post...

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But yet, you can bet that if we got to and won the Superbowl, someone on here would say that if DA had thrown that last pass a little higher we would have won by more than 1 point

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That's far more likely to happen if we lose a close game in the playoffs... but either way, once I sober up, I'll still talk about what I saw.. the good and the bad.

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I don't see much hope of us overtaking the Steelers for the Division Title

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That's how it might appear on the surface,...but the stoolers just lost to the JETS,....I'm still banking on the division CROWN.

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That's far more likely to happen if we lose a close game in the playoffs... but either way, once I sober up, I'll still talk about what I saw.. the good and the bad.

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You never disappoint

Houston, Cincy, Cardinals, Jets - as Pat Mac points out: these teams are not pushovers. Sorry to throw the cliches around, but the Browns have not had dominating wins to make me feel confident of anything. I, for one, am not looking ahead to the playoffs. There is only one team that has the right and privilege to look past the next game - and that is the Patriots. However, when a team is going for perfection it must always be playing in the present.

Besides, why look ahead when these games are so much fun right now ...

I agree. None of them are push-overs and we have a way of making opposing offenses much better then they are...so far this season, if a team is struggling on O, we are just what the Dr. ordered....and suspect it isn't going to change.

The pressure is on the O each week to score 30+ points because the D is going to give up around that amount.


That said, we still should be a favorite in all of the remaining games unless we begin to sustain some injuries along the way.

But this game this week is the important game.

People we talking about trap games. The Texans are it. We are at home against a underrated team, off of a big, emotional win the week before.

We can't head in to this game with the thought home field is going to be a big difference.

This is a Conference game at home,you must win it !!My Breakdown !!

1.)Houston- You must win this at home. 7-4

2.)Arizona- Tough one here 7-5

3.)Jets-They beat the Stoolers but 8-5

4.)Beefalo-Another game if your a contender you win at home 9-5.

5.)Bungals-They will want revenge this is their season. 9-6

6.)Niners- CMON 10-6

Is this enough ?? I dont know,but Conference games will be important.

If the playoffs were today, who would make the playoffs in the AFC

it would come down to a tie breaker between tennessee and cleveland

I wanna know who wouold be in and why i'm about to find out

According to NFL Network, they had Tennessee as making it, but Jim Mora thought in the long run, the Browns would be the 6th seed.

I"m gonna look at just if the playoffs were today

First tie breaker is overall record, the Browns are 6-4 the Titans are 6-4

Next is who won head to head matchup, Their is no matchup this regular season

Next is this is the one that will decide who would qualify right here because I believe it is common opponents if you have 4 common opponents. The Browns and Titans have 4 common opponents by the end of the regular season.

The Titans play the Houston Texans twice (in their division) with one win 38-36 away so far and a home game vs them in two weeks.
The second common opponent ill put as the Cincinnati Bengals who the titans have THIS WEEK IN Cincinnati. The Browns play the Bengals again in Cincinnati week 16.

The third Common opponent is the Oakland Raiders to whom the Browns lost 24-26 on the road in week 3 and whom the Titans beat 13-9 in week 8

The fourth Common opponent is NY Jets whom neither team has yet to play
The Browns play at the Jets in week 14 when the titans will host San Diego..
The titans host the Jets in week 16 when the Browns will be at Cincinnati

The last week of the season the titans play at Indianapolis, while the Browns host the San Fran .

I beleive the next tie breakers would be (and I'm unclear which of the next two is first because the teams play in different divisions)

Record vs the AFC opponents which as of today Cleveland is 4-4 tennessee is 3-3
Record vs each teams own division which as of today Cleveland is 3-2 tennessee is 2-2

I believe the next tie breaker would be margin of victory, then the next tie breaker would be most touchdowns then coin flip . I'm not sure if the margin of victory tie breaker would apply only to the 4 common opponents since there are 4 common opponents

But to be on the safe side, I would recommend running up the score on Houston, NY Jets, and Cincinnati, especially .

AS always this time of year, If the Browns win it will be interesting, if they lose it will be depressing.

Hey I think I just convince myself If the Playoffs were today the Browns would be IN!!! in in in in!

However, if they do not beat the Texans they would then be out.


bottom line the PLAYOFFS START TODAY!!

The teams to root against. Pittsburg, Tennessee, Jacksonville oh, and Buffalo.

The thing to hope happens, One team runs away with the AFC west and the 2nd place 3rd place teams fall in the AFC west

the teams to root for this week Cincinnati, Miami, and especially the BROWNS!!!

As usual, you have posted erroneous information.

After head to head for the tiebreaker, it goes to conference record, AND THEN to the common opponents.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

either way, things are even all the way to Strength of Victory right now.... we would be OUT of the Playoffs if they started today.

The crappy records of St Louis & Miami is hurting us right now as far as SoV is concerned.

Our main concern is CONFERENCE victories we can afford to lose to Arizona but not to Beefalo, or Houston.

Our main concern is VICTORIES, PERIOD.

We cannot afford to take the view that we can afford to lose to anyone.... and straight up record trumps all other tie-breakers

We wont win any tiebreaker period. We either win it by getting the most wins or we talk about next year and the draft.

Actually, the biggest thing killing us right now against the Titans is that two of our wins are against teams with a combined ONE victory (MIA & STL). Had they somewhat more normal records, it'd be a very different story.

After Miami **cough** beats Pittsburgh this week **cough**, things will start to look much better either way StLouis might be able to steal another against Seattle as well. A win by Cinci hurts Tenn -and- it increases our SoV.

We won't have four common opponents until almost the end of the season, but we *will* have 4, so there will be tiebreakers there, I just haven't done the math on how it might shake out.


Anyway, what it all means is what we've both said.... the only thing we can count on and worry about is what we can control. Just get Wins, period, and the rest will take care of itself.

Cleveland Browns instructed not to talk about playoffs by Crennel
Coach Crennel seeks to keep control of his team's enthusiasm
Sunday, November 25, 2007
Mary Kay Cabot
Plain Dealer Reporter

The Browns are prohibited from playoff talk, but you can do it all you want. Go ahead. You deserve it.

You've had only one chance to talk about the Browns in the playoffs in the past 13 years - and that was way back in 2002. The last time before that was in 1994 when a young, ornery guy by the name of Bill Belichick was head coach.

You try telling your kids the Browns used to be good - no really - and they look at you like you're nuts. All they've seen is one winning season out of the past 10 - and all you've seen is two in the past 14.

So forgive yourself if you're a little excited about the Browns being 6-4 and in a playoff race for only the second time in more than a decade. Sure, there are still six games to go and anything can happen, but the holiday season is the time for wishing and dreaming, isn't it?

Even Browns receiver Braylon Edwards has a tough time following the "No Playoff Talk" rule.

"I check the standings, I know everybody's records. I know the ESPN power rankings, but that's just me. I follow football," he said.

"It's a little difficult [to ignore] from the standpoint that we haven't been in this situation before. But other than that, we listen to [Romeo Crennel]. He's gotten us this far listening to him."

Of course, the most direct route to the playoffs is by winning the AFC North. Sound far-fetched? Perhaps. But the Browns are just a game behind the 7-3 Steelers heading into today's conference matchup with the Houston Texans, who are also in the playoff race at 5-5.

The Browns would have to finish with a better record than the Steelers because Pittsburgh swept the season series, but Pittsburgh has a tougher remaining schedule. The Steelers have two winning teams on their slate in the 10-0 Patriots and 7-3 Jaguars, while the Browns have none.

For the Browns to remain a game behind the Steelers, who did them a huge favor by losing to the 2-9 Jets last Sunday, they'll most likely have to beat the Texans today. Why? Because the Steelers host the 0-10 Dolphins Monday night.

"[Today's game] is going to be crucial for us," coach Romeo Crennel said. If the season ended before today's games, the Browns would be tied with Tennessee for the second AFC wild card spot. Jacksonville (7-3) would own the first.

The first tiebreaker for non-division opponents is head-to-head record, but the Browns and Titans don't face each other this season, so they move to No. 2, which is conference record. The Browns are currently 4-4 in the AFC and the Titans are 3-3.

The next tiebreaker is best record in common games with a minimum of four. The Browns are currently 1-1 vs. common opponents and the Titans are 2-0. Their remaining common opponents are Houston, Cincinnati and the Jets.

Of the seven leading wild-card contenders, the Browns have by far the easiest remaining schedule, with the opponents' combined record of 22-39. The Titans opponents are 27-33 and the Texans are 38-22 - by far the most grueling home stretch of the contenders.

While the Browns face no winning teams the rest of the way, the Texans face five, including three that are 6-4. A look at the contenders and their remaining opponents' combined records:

Texans (5-5) - 38-22.

Jaguars (7-3) - 31-29.

Bills (5-5) - 30-30.

Titans (6-4) - 27-33.

Chargers (5-5) -27-33.

Broncos (5-5) -24-36.

Browns (6-4) - 22-39.

But while fans can crunch the numbers all they want, Crennel will try to keep his team focused on one game at a time, beginning with the Texans.

"Human nature says you're going to look to see where you are and where you might end up," Crennel said. "But part of my job is to try and slow some of that human nature stuff down. Tell them if you look too far ahead, then what's right in front of you will kick you in the butt.

"I tell my players they're not allowed to listen to the playoff talk. If we don't focus on the next game, then they'll be talking about how bad we are. I'll let all those other people talk playoffs and scenarios. We have a good team coming to town [today] and if we're not ready to play, we'll get beat."

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670

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Of course, the most direct route to the playoffs is by winning the AFC North. Sound far-fetched? Perhaps. But the Browns are just a game behind the 7-3 Steelers

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Actually, as I am reminded every day, it is a game and a half since we got swept by them. Again.

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But while fans can crunch the numbers all they want, Crennel will try to keep his team focused on one game at a time, beginning with the Texans.

"Human nature says you're going to look to see where you are and where you might end up," Crennel said. "But part of my job is to try and slow some of that human nature stuff down. Tell them if you look too far ahead, then what's right in front of you will kick you in the butt.

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Good advice RAC......one game at a time, keep dem boys focused.

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Cleveland Browns instructed not to talk about playoffs by Crennel

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I think that is a great move by Crennel.

The players need to focus on each game ahead and not focus on what they have achieved so far this season.

This team could easily have a 4-6 or worse record rather than a 6-4 record and most of our games have been close and could have gone either way.

Romeo knows that the team needs to focus on each game and he will do his best to see that they do.

Good move by Crennel, IMO....WOOF...mac

She came soooo close to getting it right when talking about the tiebreakers.

She says we're tied and then goes through all of the tiebreaking procedures, but stops just before the one tiebreaker that actually puts them ahead of us.

I know, I know... I'm knocking on wood right now but if the playoffs started today, we'd be the 6th seed and playing at Pittsburgh in a Wild Card game.

It's conceivable that we could take over the division lead... hey, stranger things have happened. The Steelers aren't exactly playing their best ball the past few weeks and they have some tough games coming up, with their last two games on the road. Here's the Steelers remaining schedule:

Cincinnati (Home)
at New England
Jacksonville (Home)
at St. Louis
at Baltimore

They still have to lose 2 games to our none to take over sole possession of the division lead. Like I said, it could happen, but that means we'll have to win out.

So my question is that if we clinch a playoff spot, what matchup are you most comfortable with? Here's the most likely scenarios...

Wild Card vs Pittsburgh (at home)
...we won the division and Pittsburgh is the 5/6th seed.

Wild Card vs Jacksonville (at home)
...we won the division and Jacksonville is the 5/6th seed.

Wild Card at Pittsburgh
...we are the 6th seed, Jacksonville goes to San Diego most likely

I would much rather play Pittsburgh in hour house, especially the way that field is at Heinz. Still though, Jacksonville scares me and I don't think we'd match up well with them.

I think we can still look at the playoffs as a possibility.

We need to win win 3 of 4 games to have a excellent shot. lose 2 and we are probably at best looking at tiebreakers, that probably won't add up.

Sundays game is important. It is a game we should win along with the final game against SF. Buffalo and Cincy are both AFC games.

Should be a exciting last quarter to this season.

Ive been saying the same thing also!
That kick may come back to haunt us! Only time will tell.

Peen...We have a shoe-in for the 6th spot...And it ain't all about us winning out...

The only teams with us that are even at 500 are Tenn and Buffalo...

We can take Buff out ourselves...And if we don't...The Giants and Eagles will...

Tenn's gonna lose a couple more times...And all 4 are AFC opponents...Conf record is the tie-breaker with us since we didn't play them...Even if we finish at 9-7 tied with about the only team even close to us in Tenn...We should win the breaker...

Buff ain't that good and finish with US/Giants/Philly...I'm not even counting them in...

The ONLY way we don't make it is if we go 2-2 and Tenn finishes 3-1...Good luck with SD and Indy coming up...

We go 3-1 and it's OVER...

We go to Pittsburgh and get another shot to say to them "The tide's changin' in the AFC North"...The "Word" leaked a few weeks ago...Now it's time for the "Official Press Conference"...

WE DO CONTROL OUR DESTINY...

If we DON'T make it we don't deserve it anyways...And we can all P & Moan about the BS call last week and the FG in Oakland that WASN'T...

That is about how i see it....unless we collapse down the stretch, putting Romeo in the frying pan again and ushering in the BQ era, we stand a good chance of playing in January.