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DAMMIT!

I wish this guy could stay healthy, he'd be one of the best ever IMO.

Solidifies why everyone wanted Thomas even more, he gets hurt too much!


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EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. -- Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson will miss Sunday's game against Oakland with a torn ligament in his right knee, coach Brad Childress said Monday.


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Childress said Peterson tore his lateral collateral ligament in the Vikings' 34-0 loss to Green Bay. Peterson will not require surgery, Childress said.

"The good news is that the knee is otherwise stable and the injury is isolated to that ligament," Childress said. "I'm told that's a good-healing ligament."

Childress said the injury is not a season-ending injury, but he did not talk about when Peterson might be back.

"I'm real hesitant to put a timeline on that thing," Childress said.

The coach was informed by team doctors that ligament tears are graded on a three-point scale, with three being the worst.

Childress said he was told that Peterson's tear is "two-plus," but is not as serious as if it were an anterior cruciate ligament (ACL), which would have required surgery and ended Peterson's brilliant rookie season.

"This is not one of those," Childress said.

Peterson was injured in the third quarter on Sunday in a 34-0 loss at Green Bay. Packers cornerback Al Harris hit him in the knee just as Peterson was about to make a cut downfield, and the star rookie writhed in pain for several minutes in a scary scene.

Losing the only offensive star they have will be a devastating blow to a unit that has struggled in every game that Peterson has not topped 200 yards rushing this season. It's been a one-man show in Minnesota, with Peterson accounting for 1,081 of the team's 1,551 yards rushing and eight of the team's 10 rushing touchdowns.

The No. 7 overall pick out of Oklahoma broke the single-game rushing record two weeks ago against San Diego, racking up 296 yards to put him on pace to smash Eric Dickerson's record for yards rushing by a rookie in a single season.

Now the Vikings will turn to veteran Chester Taylor, who topped 1,200 yards rushing last season and has been solid in spot duty behind Peterson this year. Taylor is averaging 5 yards per carry in a backup role.

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I wish this guy could stay healthy, he'd be one of the best ever IMO.





....me too,...but his ability to stay healthy has always been his dilema.

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Joe Thomas....Everyday.....this is why...and this should end the debate

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Joe Thomas....Everyday.....this is why...and this should end the debate


i'm getting sick of ppl saying this....SICK...one more post about why AD was not a good pick and Joe Thomas was the right pick n im' goin to puke....

Even if AD wasn't injury prone Joe Thomas was a good pick...end of discussion


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Better keep a bucket handy because that big guy will still be being talked about and playing quite a few years after that smaller guy is retired!

There I used no names and therefore saved you a yacking!!

Having said that, yes it's a crying shame. such talent and seemingly humble good guy...best to you Adrian.

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i'm getting sick of ppl saying this....SICK...one more post about why AD was not a good pick and Joe Thomas was the right pick n im' goin to puke....

Even if AD wasn't injury prone Joe Thomas was a good pick...end of discussion

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Not to sound like an ambulance chaser but if Peterson misses significant time, does this vault Thomas into the frontrunner for Rookie of the Year?


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Dang,, I really hate to see that.. the kid was lighting it up..

This is what most everyone was afraid of.. me included. I think that in the end, I'd have still taken Thomas, but it would have been way more interesting a choice to make had AP not had a history of injury...


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No.

They'll always give those awards to the guys that get measurable stats.

Frankly, if Thomas plays like this and is never named to a pro-bowl, an all-pro team, or given any other award, I'd be perfectly happy and go on about my business.


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DAMMIT!

I wish this guy could stay healthy, he'd be one of the best ever IMO.

Solidifies why everyone wanted Thomas even more, he gets hurt too much!




Not that you can predict a knee injury at all, but he does need to learn to avoid hits better. Fortunately for him it won't require surgery, but I don't think the Vikings will be rushing him back with Taylor as his backup, especially because they're out of it already for the most part. Now if only we could interest them in DA to ease some of the pressure off the running backs.


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DAMMIT!

I wish this guy could stay healthy, he'd be one of the best ever IMO.

Solidifies why everyone wanted Thomas even more, he gets hurt too much!




Stay tuned to this one folks...

Ligaments DO NOT heal in 2 weeks...And the dude even said it was a "Two PLUS" tear...

Would not surprise me if this mushrooms into a Season Ending trip to the IR...


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With the kind of hit that he took, any player would have gotten hurt. It has nothing to do with his "questionable" ability to stay healthy. The tear won't require surgery, so he won't be set back too far.


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No.

They'll always give those awards to the guys that get measurable stats.

Frankly, if Thomas plays like this and is never named to a pro-bowl, an all-pro team, or given any other award, I'd be perfectly happy and go on about my business.






Really....who cares about awards.


Even if they win the pro-bowl award....I would pay my players to not play in the game.


250K if elected....350K if elected and elect not to play.


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DAMMIT!

I wish this guy could stay healthy, he'd be one of the best ever IMO.

Solidifies why everyone wanted Thomas even more, he gets hurt too much!




Stay tuned to this one folks...

Ligaments DO NOT heal in 2 weeks...And the dude even said it was a "Two PLUS" tear...

Would not surprise me if this mushrooms into a Season Ending trip to the IR...





Steve Young said he had the same injury on ESPN tonight. They said it will probably be more of a 3-4 week injury. It won't really cause any instability in the knee at all.


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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3106749

DAMMIT!

I wish this guy could stay healthy, he'd be one of the best ever IMO.

Solidifies why everyone wanted Thomas even more, he gets hurt too much!




Stay tuned to this one folks...

Ligaments DO NOT heal in 2 weeks...And the dude even said it was a "Two PLUS" tear...

Would not surprise me if this mushrooms into a Season Ending trip to the IR...





Steve Young said he had the same injury on ESPN tonight. They said it will probably be more of a 3-4 week injury. It won't really cause any instability in the knee at all.




2+ tear basically means that it's almost completely torn away. A grade one is just a stretched out ligament, 2 is a partial tear, 3 is a complete tear... so basically he is an 'almost complete' tear.

The LCL isn't a really stabilizing type of ligament. The two main stabilizers are the ACL and PCL. The LCL (if I remember correctly) is the smallest of all the knee ligaments... there is some decent support from the muscles on that side of your knee.

He'll be out a couple weeks most likely and if it wasn't wearing a brace before will probably wear one now...


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You are correct (if I remember correctly msyelf as well). The LCL doesn't really do much with stability. He'll be out a month IMO, better safe than sorry.


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Stay tuned to this one folks... Ligaments DO NOT heal in 2 weeks...And the dude even said it was a "Two PLUS" tear... Would not surprise me if this mushrooms into a Season Ending trip to the IR...




I am shocked. AP got injured? What are the odds.

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Who was on here two weeks ago talking bout Peterson should have been the pick?
Dude has durability problems..this is just the start..

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Peterson didn't "get" injured...he took a shot to his knee as he was cutting...remember when Willis McGahee to a shot to his knee as he was cutting...did you say he "got" injured, or did you say, someone blew out his knee.

This was no accident like leaping into the endzone and breaking your collar bone. This is in essence the third injury of his career. Only the second one was unavoidable, the other two are injuries the most running backs have to deal with.

Adrian Peterson is not injury prone...running backs in general are injury prone...comes with the territory


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Not only was AP carrying the ball in a disproportionate number of running plays Sunday, they were throwing him passes as well....wicked dumpoffs for short gains in the middle of the field. When a ball carrier is involved in that many plays, he's going to get hurt. I was flipping back and forth to that game, and it seemed every time I did, AP was either running or receiving. I thought to myself, "he's getting Buddy Ryaned"....and that was before the injury. I hope he doesn't play another down this year and heals up.


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Peterson didn't "get" injured...he took a shot to his knee as he was cutting
ndutyme THAT is getting injured...thats the term used for getting hurt..he was injured on that play..

Adrian Peterson is not injury prone...running backs in general are injury prone...comes with the territory
Whether it's self inflicted or caused by a opposing player if he is continually getting hurt, he's injury prone..

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Any running back would have came out of that hit with problems.

How many RB's have gone down with injuries this season?

Let's see......Alexander, Jackson, Maroney, Johnson, Lewis, Peterson, Cadillac, Brown, Gore, Morris, a bunch of no-names in Green Bay.....the list goes on. Running backs take shots, it comes with the territory. They handle the ball more than anyone (except the QB who gives it to them). Therefore, they take more hits than anyone. They are all injury prone.


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after watching the immensely talented and hardworking Courtney Brown get injured year after year, i don't get how so many of you refuse to recognize that some players are more vulnerable to football injuries than others...

all this effort to explain away an(-other) AP injury...he's not even a Brown!...


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Peterson didn't "get" injured...he took a shot to his knee as he was cutting
ndutyme THAT is getting injured...thats the term used for getting hurt..he was injured on that play..

Adrian Peterson is not injury prone...running backs in general are injury prone...comes with the territory
Whether it's self inflicted or caused by a opposing player if he is continually getting hurt, he's injury prone..




Exactly. All of his injuries are different, and at least one was a freak thing. The bottom line is he is always getting injured. That is the arguement many of you guys used not to draft him (other than all the posts that Thomas is a God). You have been proven right.

He still may have a very successful career, but it was a risk we shouldn't have taken.


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after watching the immensely talented and hardworking Courtney Brown get injured year after year, i don't get how so many of you refuse to recognize that some players are more vulnerable to football injuries than others...

all this effort to explain away an(-other) AP injury...he's not even a Brown!...




Doesn't matter, this is Pure Football, where we discuss whatever it is about the game. Besides, sometimes I just like to argue.


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Any running back would have came out of that hit with problems.

How many RB's have gone down with injuries this season?

And that has what to do with my response?

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I agree with you.

Kajana Carter had a promising career but took a similar shot that did more damage and it pretty much cost him his career, and at that time he was the next best thing to sliced bread.

If anything Peterson got lucky that shot could have been worse.

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DAMMIT!

I wish this guy could stay healthy, he'd be one of the best ever IMO.

Solidifies why everyone wanted Thomas even more, he gets hurt too much!




Stay tuned to this one folks...

Ligaments DO NOT heal in 2 weeks...And the dude even said it was a "Two PLUS" tear...

Would not surprise me if this mushrooms into a Season Ending trip to the IR...


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Why waste time with an intro? We all know what (and who) everyone is talking about heading into Week 11.



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Adrian Peterson, Vikings: Coach Brad Childress announced on Monday afternoon that Peterson suffered a Grade II+ lateral collateral ligament sprain. And everyone was a bit unsure what to make of it. After all, this is not an ordinary, everyday injury. And Peterson has shown that he is not an ordinary, everyday player. All Day? Certainly. Ordinary? Never. Just ask my friend Merril Hoge, who has been singing his praises since the preseason on the "ESPNEWS Fantasy Insider" show. So what are concerned fantasy owners to make of a not-so-ordinary injury happening to an extraordinary player? Let's break it down.



The LCL is one of the four main stabilizing ligaments of the knee, situated on the outer aspect of the joint, and it runs from the far end of the thigh bone (femur) to the near end of the outer bone of the lower leg (fibula). It is opposite the medial collateral ligament, which occupies the same spot on the inner aspect of the knee joint, running from femur to tibia (larger lower leg bone). The main function of the LCL is to protect the knee from excess bowing outward (also called varus stress), or more simply, it helps control lateral stability. It is injured if a bowing or varus force is applied that exceeds what the ligament can handle, typically as a result of direct contact. Peterson told Minneapolis' Star Tribune that he felt a helmet or a shoulder hit his knee and then felt the pain.



It is far less common to sustain an injury to this ligament than to its counterpart, the MCL. The MCL, injured when the knee is forced inward excessively (valgus stress), has already been a source of pain for several key players this year (Brandon Jacobs, Travis Henry and J.P. Losman). There are a few possible reasons for this. First, it is simply more natural to either sustain a blow to the outer knee or cut toward the inside off a plant leg during sports, the two main mechanisms for MCL injury. It is far less common to sustain a blow to the inner knee, the primary mechanism for pure LCL injury. Second, the MCL sits very flat against the joint, so a minor unnatural stress puts it at risk for injury. The LCL has a little more room to tolerate movement because it does not lie flat against the knee. (Fun with biology: it is not really possible to distinguish the MCL by feel, but if you want to feel your own LCL, cross one ankle over the opposite knee, as if making a figure 4, and you can feel a tight ropy band on the outer knee. It is easier to feel because it is not flat against the joint.)



When the LCL is injured in isolation, as reports say is the case with Peterson, the result is instability in the lateral knee, or a decreased tolerance for bowing (varus) stresses. An even bigger concern would be if additional structures that make up the back outside corner of the knee were damaged simultaneously (not the case with Peterson, supposedly); this could mean significantly increased disability and more potential knee joint problems down the line. In the preseason we talked about grades of ligament injuries with Grade I (mild) representing minor injury or overstretching, Grade II (moderate), the most common, representing incomplete tearing, and Grade III (severe) indicating a complete tear or rupture. A Grade II+ LCL injury translates to extensive, but incomplete, ligament damage. Since a portion of the ligament remains intact, surgery is not necessarily indicated. Rehabilitation involves first letting the bruising and swelling settle while immobilizing the knee to let the ligament scar and prevent further injury. The focus then centers on strengthening the muscles (primarily quadriceps and lateral hip muscles) that can provide stability to the lateral aspect of the knee to help compensate for any laxity (looseness) resulting from the ligament damage.



So, now that you know what the injury is, let's get to the questions you really want answered.


How long will Peterson be out?
This is a tough one to gauge -- which is why Childress did not give a time frame -- because of the infrequent occurrence of this type of injury. You may have heard Childress' comment at his Monday news conference that if this were a lineman, he could be braced and come back and play the next game. But a lineman and an Adrian Peterson are two different species. One of the main challenges Peterson will face that a lineman would not is the need to make sharp directional movements with speed. Stability is critical in order for that to occur. In fact, I asked three orthopedic surgeons, all of whom have worked with professional athletes, what their expectations are for this type of injury with this type of player. Each of them had concern about Peterson returning too soon after such an injury, and each felt that the timetable was hard to judge (note that this was merely medical opinion; none of them examined Peterson). Lateral knee injuries are, in essence, more complex than medial injuries. Given that there has to be enough time to allow ligament healing (which typically takes up to six weeks), followed by strengthening, it is fair to expect Peterson's return to take several weeks. The biggest concern if Peterson returns too soon is that another incident, or even stress on a still unstable knee, could result in more severe damage, which could then translate to chronic problems. On the other hand, he is young and strong and could heal fairly quickly. His progression of activity will be determined on an ongoing basis, depending upon how his knee looks and feels day to day, again making it hard to project a time frame with any certainty. I know, I know. You want to have some idea of how to plan around this situation. For now, assume Peterson is out two weeks at an absolute minimum, with the stronger likelihood being at least four weeks. Don't be surprised if it takes even longer, in which case the Vikings may decide to shut Peterson down for the season.




How will he be affected when he comes back?
Peterson will be left with some decreased lateral stability in his knee; the ligament is forever altered based on the extent of his injury. However, his ability to compensate for it with muscular support (and he may wear a protective brace as an additional measure) could allow him to return looking like the same running back. Part of this answer depends on how well-healed his injury is when he returns.




Is he at more risk for injury?
Probably so, especially on the outer part of that right knee. It doesn't mean that he definitely will reinjure it, simply that it won't be as hard to do a second time. This is true for all incomplete ligament injuries however, so it is not terribly unusual. Again, the bigger concern would be that future stresses to this knee may put other stabilizing structures more at risk.



The bottom line is that if you have Adrian Peterson on your fantasy team, you should secure a backup now that you can plan to utilize indefinitely. There is no way of knowing for sure at this point how long Peterson will be out, or if he'll return at all. This may not be what fantasy owners or Vikings fans want to hear. But we have enjoyed his amazing talent for the first half of this season, and we would like to continue to enjoy it for years to come. Let's root for Peterson to come back healthy, even if it means we all have to wait just a little longer.






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