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sounds good to me.
We need at least two big-producing additions at WR. We also need a Right Tackle *and* a Swing Tackle. We also need to load up some more developmental OL. We need DT, LB, too.

AND, we need to replace all of the guys we have on 1-year deals, which is like half the defense.


Next year's Browns will either take a big leap forward, or we will sink back into the abyss. What Berry does over the next 10-12 weeks will decide that.

With as many guys as we have on one year deals the roster turnover in terms of starters next year is going to be crazy.

That would be a solid choice. I guess the only receiver I would say I like more is Traylon Burks, Arkansas.

If we're considering OSU WRs, I might prefer Olave, based on what I've read about his dedication to the craft of being a good route runner, plus he's a bit taller than Wilson (6-1 vs 6-0) and a little faster (4.38 vs Wilson's 4.5). Smith-Njigba and Marvin Harrison Jr (who's 6-3) are pretty intriguing too, but they're only freshmen.

I watch and follow the Buckeyes almost as much as I do the Browns and I love both WR's but if I had a choice I would take Wilson because he is more explosive runs great routes just a little bit more than Olave but if it wa Olave I would be ok too ...

My draft wish list depends on what we do in free agency ....

Address the WR position in free agency then I want Devin Lloyd the LB from Utah in the 1st round.

I love the idea of sticking him next to JOK and letting those two wreak havoc on opposing offenses together.

If we DO NOT address the WR position via free agency then I definitely want a WR in the 1st round.

I'm good with either Olave or Wilson.

Depending on who falls in the draft, I wouldn't necessarily mind double dipping at WR in the first TWO rounds.

We're THAT weak at the position .... especially with Landry and Higgins both likely to be gone.

(Though I hope we bring Landry back, just on a cheaper deal).

If the season ended today, we're picking 13th. That is PRIME territory to get our RT for the next decade***.
Yes, I want a WR, too, but we have seen that we need a RT a lot more. I think we sign one in free agency, but doubling down allows whichever one isn't the starter to be the Swing Tackle. A WR taken at the top of Round 2 will still be plenty good. Just look at our very own Four Deuces.




*** If there is someone worthy sitting there, grab a natural LT and then play with flipping Wills back to RT.

Are you cutting Conklin or thinking he’s not going to be ready to play after this injury

Evan Neal, Alabama, might be your guy, Prpl. He likely won't make it out of the top 10, but you never know....

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/jack-conklin-18956/

His deal is effectively done AND I don't think he will be healthy and ready in time to warrant him staying. A $6 million cap savings for releasing a guy that that tore a patellar tendon is pretty solid. That jumps to $12 million if it is a Post June 1 release.
In short, unless that tendon repair recovers more on the 6-month side and not so much on the 12-month side of the average recovery window, I just don't see us keeping him.
At best, because we can't cut an injured player without an injury settlement, I'd expect that he is here through the summer. Maybe even through camp.... but, if we're getting through mini-camps, or even training camp, and he has returned but isn't quite right, there is no way he ends up staying here. You cannot count on him being here, OR being the player he has been.

I believe the injury settlement has to happen if the injury happens in that league year.

I’d expect us to keep Conklin.

I think we need look at the makeup of our lineman group. The injuries this year were crazy, but we quickly found ourselves without any viable tackles really quickly. I think it shows how much we relied on Hubbard, and went he went down, then we were just praying for no additional injuries there (which obviously didn't happen).

I don’t think many teams anticipate being on their third tackle for much of the season.

Yeah... it just feels like once Hubbard went down we were totally screwed at tackle.... yet we have guards for days.

Or maybe we should gone out and got someone (like we did with Hance last year).

That sounds great in theory. That would first mean that you found someone that a team was willing to deal. I think seeing how high OT's are drafted and some of the money the position commands gives us an indication that just going out and finding one may not be as easy as it sounds.

I wouldn't expect them to swing a trade for a starter, but scour squads for a backup tackle.

It's all hindsight, which sucks, but you're telling me they couldn't sign someone off the street that could've turned in a better performance than Hudson in that last game? Especially since they were going to leave him on an island.

I'm saying it would be hard for me to believe that they could "sign someone off the streets", yes. Every NFL team in the league has depth charts. Each team has fourth and fifth option at the OT position. Once you get that far into your depth chart, the talent is not good and I don't believe NFL teams would want to weaken their depth at the OT position. So yes, if a player is on the street that can't make it to the fourth or fifth position on any one of 32 NFL depth charts, I doubt that anyone could consider them an upgrade.

Leaving him on an island is a different topic all together. There was certainly no excuse for that.

I don't know my friend. I think sometimes you have to go with what you have.

We drafted the guy in the 4th round. Maybe around pick 115? Hudson had been with us all season in the system. I don't see a whole lot of value in plucking someone off a PS late in the season or how that would have done much good. We also have to consider we have our own PS. I would assume we have a O-lineman or two stuck there.

I think it was just his time up.

I fully admit the team might not feel as good about the guy today as they did the day they drafted him. A lot of 4th round picks end up in that boat.

I think we will be looking at WR DT RT C and LB in FA and the same positions in the draft but I Believe WR regardless of FA will be our first pick In the draft … just some early thoughts

Do we look at TE?

Hooper is paaid a lot and has underperformed.
Njoku is a FA and may not want to stay here and/or may ask for a lot of money.

TE in this draft is deep.
Draft a guy like Jalen Wyndermyer Texas A&M in the 2nd of Sam Laporta Iowa in the 3rd or 4th
Pair them with Bryant then resign Carlson or go with Forristall

I think that would save us a lot of salary cap space and actually be a talent upgrade

TE is another possibility…

I just think that when we were starting guards at tackle (emphasis on 'starting' and 'guards') might've been a signal that we needed to find a guy.

I dunno... I hate making hindsight arguments because they're usually unfair. I do like what Hance showed us in some tough situations. I give Hudson a pass because he was a rookie.

I believe we still have Taylor on the roster. Not sure what to think about him never getting time over a guy that doesn't play the position and a rookie.

My problem was that I sat back in my easy chair after our 11-5 season .. This season brought me back to reality , the Browns, Browning ! Now I am back
into challenge , question , squint at all aspects of their decisions . Starting with Berry and working my down through the ranks to Callahan. It has been beat to death , but one decision will haunt me all off season. Hudson one on one with Watt.

We pick 13th. The perfect spot to take the punter. If we picked earlier it would be too early.

Trade up for Cade York or cancel the 2022 season.

All the teams you will see in the playoffs will have offenses that can impose their will
they will have offense that can throw the ball down the field,
and they will have offenses that can score points quickly.

I don't think in any way, that trying to find a Right tackle for the next decade is going to help the Browns in that category of developing a quick strike, 2 minute, down field offense.

If the Browns are going to play, 2 yard screen pass offense!
then they will Never get back to the playoffs.

Where the Browns pick in the first round of the 2022 NFL Draft
Updated: Jan. 09, 2022, 8:50 p.m. | Published: Jan. 09, 2022, 8:49 p.m.
John Kuntz, cleveland.com



By Scott Patsko, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Browns began Sunday with a chance to move as high as seventh and as low as 16th in the first round of the 2022 NFL Draft. In the end, they didn’t move at all.

The Browns will pick 13th in the first round of this year’s draft, which will begin April 28 in Las Vegas. The Browns began Sunday in the 13th spot and didn’t move despite their 21-16 win against the Bengals.

The Browns last picked 13th in the first round in 2014, when they selected linebacker/edge Kamerion Wimbley out of Florida State. The team’s best pick at No. 13 has been Texas running back Eric Metcalf in 2002.


Here’s a look at the first round for non-playoff teams:

1. Jacksonville.

2. Detroit.

3. Houston.

4. N.Y. Jets.

5. N.Y. Giants.

6. Carolina.

7. N.Y. Giants (from trade with Chicago).

8. Atlanta.

9. Denver.

10. N.Y. Jets (from trade with Seattle).

11. Washington.

12. Minnesota.

13. BROWNS.

14. Baltimore.

15. Philadelphia (from trade with Miami)

16. Philadelphia (from trade with Indianapolis)

Pick 17 and 18 will be decided by the outcome of Sunday night’s game between the LA. Chargers and Las Vegas. New Orleans will have one of the spots. Pittsburgh is also in play for one of the spots.



https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...e-first-round-of-the-2022-nfl-draft.html

There is no way that Wimbley was 2014 and Metcalf was 2002… Metcalf was around before the move, Wimbley was 2006 ish.

Without looking it up, I thought Metcalf was 89 or 90. I did look up Wimbley and he was pick 13, 2006.

Looks like cleveland.com & the Plain Dealer can't afford to employ copy editors. Pretty sloppy work by Patsko.

picking 13th should garner us a top flight WR. There are between 3-5 of them based on my quick research. There are a couple of CBs who will be drafted high, of course a few QBs and edge guys too … I like our spot

Check out the Browns 5th round pick in this mock draft on Draft Countdown ...

https://www.draftcountdown.com/mock-drafts/2022-7-round-nfl-mock-draft-6-0-round-4-7-shane/

We are in a good position allowing us to go any number of ways.

My hope is we do enough in FA to be able to draft a great player no matter the position. It's obvious we aren't good enough to be selecting for "a" position. We can use good players at 4-5 positions.

Just my initial feeling is we can use a player at the following positions. I base this on feeling players suck, or won't be here next season for one reason or another.

WR
C
RT
DT
DE
LB
K
P

Those would be positions we need to address through FA and or the draft.

I am not even touching the QB dilemma.

I remember a couple years back when you could watch video of draft prospects from this one site. Does it still exist? What site do you all use for reference on the draft? Here's a few of the sites I read during draft season:

https://www.nfl.com/draft/

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/

https://www.drafttek.com/Default.asp

https://www.draftcountdown.com/

I used to read Walterfootball.com, but it just gags my browser, so I ditched it.

Our defense has to get better up the middle: DT, LB especially (granted we re-sign Clowney)

Our offense has to get better on the perimeter: WR is a massive hole (of course, QB is the primary issue if we dont think Baker can)

I could definitely see us allowing Njoku to walk and take the compensatory pick next year in return.
Not only has he not really shown himself to be worthy of a mega-contract, our offensive scheme doesn't really allow for it. We're not predicated on having offensive super weapons, but more on having a ho-hum bunch of JAGs at the skill positions. i.e. we spend a ton of time with 3-TEs out there, but we don't really utilize them, never feature or lean on any specifically, and even when we do use them, they don't do much. ANY Tight End can fill that role. The one thing Njoku has going for him, however, is YAC. Far and away, he had the most of any TE on the roster, and he almost had as much as Landry who had like 16 more receptions (and led the team in catches and YAC). Njoku also led the team in receiving TDs, but that's more a function of being called and getting the opportunity. Hunt had more receptions than Bryant, and Hunt missed half the season.

I thought Harris looked pretty good at center, no?

Do we know Conklin's timetable/availability? I would think, if necessary, we address that later on in FA since we're expecting him back at some point (essentially, finding Hubbard's replacement).

I hope we re-sign Clowney. If not, we have a gaping hole at the position. The problem is, he knows that too. It doesn't take too much reading between the lines to see he wants that green. Even if we get him back, we still need to draft someone to be groomed behind these 2 guys and to replace Takk.

If we are able to retain Njoku, we are still going to need another depth TE (probably more of the blocking variety). If we lose Njoku and ditch Hooper, we will need 2 starter-caliber TEs, so our need at the TE spot is totally up in the air.

Similarly, WR needs depends largely on what we do with Landry (and to a much less degree, Higgins). We need to find a guy that can look like a #1, and we'll need to find a solid-to-very-good possession receiver if Landry is cut. Finding those 2, that can be starters right away, in one off-season is a big ask.

Between WR and TE groups, at least one of those has to be totally solidified to start the year.

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My 2022 draft to chose from

RD 1 & 2

WR - George Pickens, Georgia, 6’3”, 205, JR, 4.61 sec

WR - Justyn Ross, Clemson, 6’4”, 210, RJR, 4.53 sec

WR - Xavier Hutchinson, Iowa State, 6’3”, 207, SR, 4.49 sec

WR - Dahu Green, AR St, 6’4”, 201, SR, 4.51 sec

WR - Alec Pierce, Cincinnati, 6’2”, 213, SR, 4.48 sec

WR - Jahan Dotson, PSU, 5’11”, 184, SR, 4.34 sec

WR - Wan’Dale Robinson, UK, 5’11”, 185, JR, 4.38 sec

RD 3

ILB - Damone Clark, LSU, 6’3”, 245, SR

ILB - Leo Chenal, Wisconsin, 6’2”, 260, JR

ILB - Mike Rose, Iowa State, 6’4”, 245, SR

ILB - Jack Campbell, Iowa, 6’5”, 245, JR

ILB - Quay Walker, Georgia, 6’4”, 240, SR

ILB - Aaron Hansford, Texas A&M, 6’4”, 236, GR

ILB - Nate Landman, Colorado, 6’3”, 235, SR


RD 4

EDGE - Logan Hall, Houston, 6’5”, 260, SR

EDGE - Kingsley Enagbare, South Carolina, 6’4”, 270, SR