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It probably would have . Chud didn't get much of a chance.

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Chud was an awesome OC for the 2007 Browns. He should have gotten more than 1 year as HC.

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j/c...

The Nerds are taking over football. I dig it.

Yale guy. On the Browns staff when Shanahan was OC in 2014.

Dolphins requested interview for HC position.


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There's no argument to be made for either and that's the point here. They are second year QB's that aren't even fully developed and have had very different coaches and systems. To claim you can foresee a QB's career and success, or lack there of based on his first two seasons in the league is fools gold. Just ask drew Brees.


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Originally Posted by cfrs15


Joe Judge blew his one shot as a head coach because he couldn’t stop lying in press conferences (among many other things).

heard he was going to now run for Governor of NY.


bring in a BEAST of a TE and a DT then BPA in the draft....team gets healthy we should be good - Prayers for a positive surgery for Baker. Time for the draft again.
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Originally Posted by Dave
Chud was an awesome OC for the 2007 Browns. He should have gotten more than 1 year as HC.

Maybe teams quitting on coaches at the end of seasons is over rated? But the team quit on Chud - it was a terrible look for a bad team, and new ownership , no matter who, was always going to replace him.


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j/c....

Made millions and will make millions more over the next few years to be the sacrificial placeholder this season in Houston. Well done, David!


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Oh no! Still a good payday.


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According to Schefter only two of his five years were guaranteed. It’s still way more than he would have made as a receiver coach.

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The Texans pretty clearly overachieved. I will never forget Culley for declining a penalty to punt against us. Stefanski was so confused.

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Originally Posted by Milk Man
j/c....

Made millions and will make millions more over the next few years to be the sacrificial placeholder this season in Houston. Well done, David!


I feel like he knew it was a one year gig too.


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Only surprise was he didn't get fired on Monday...


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j/c....

Made millions and will make millions more over the next few years to be the sacrificial placeholder this season in Houston. Well done, David!


I feel like he knew it was a one year gig too.

After the statement that he released I feel like his is true.

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He was/is a really nice and upstanding guy... which is one of the main reasons they brought him in..... but don't think they ever wanted him long term (hence the two year guarantee) and he made a lot of questionable calls

on another note I'm really hoping Leftwich gets a shot at HC somewhere this year...


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Originally Posted by Milk Man
j/c....

Made millions and will make millions more over the next few years to be the sacrificial placeholder this season in Houston. Well done, David!



Can we put together a Dawg Talkers coaching staff, get hired by a NFL team and fired after a year and then we can all hang out worry free enjoying telling each other on the board whose fault it was beacuse ya don't know crap !! lol would be a fun time !



Go root for Buffalo ! Okay I will, their not the Bengals or Steelers ...

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j/c...

Huh.


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How in charge is Caserio? I hope not very because that means Easterby is still in charge and Easterby being in charge is the most funny thing possible.

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What a dumpster fire

Hines Ward..... Offensive Assistant for the Jets and WR coach for Florida Atlantic... let's interview him for our HC position!!!!


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Hines ward will just smile other teams to death.


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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Hines ward will just smile other teams to death.
Haha i hated that smile


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Landry is far to the left as Hooper settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Hines ward will just smile other teams to death.

Or blind side block em to then act like he's tough.

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Interesting article on Zimmer and the Vikings - Stefanski would be advised to adjust his coaching stye - times have changed and Vikings Management is listening.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...era/ar-AASSs6V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

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Originally Posted by steve0255
Interesting article on Zimmer and the Vikings - Stefanski would be advised to adjust his coaching stye - times have changed and Vikings Management is listening.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...era/ar-AASSs6V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

I read this whole thing and have no idea how it relates to Stefanski other than that he used to work for the Vikings.

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I read this whole thing and have no idea how it relates to Stefanski other than that he used to work for the Vikings.

Regardless, Stefanski needs to draw up an offense for the 21st century instead of his 20th century offense.


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Originally Posted by SuperBrown
Regardless, Stefanski needs to draw up an offense for the 21st century instead his 20th century offense.

Everything is cyclical - wait long enough and we will be cutting edge.


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I read this whole thing and have no idea how it relates to Stefanski other than that he used to work for the Vikings.

Regardless, Stefanski needs to draw up an offense for the 21st century instead of his 20th century offense.

Stefanski's offense is the exact same offense the 49ers, Packers, Rams, Titans, and Falcons run.

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Well "exact same" is not true/accurate.... the concept might be the same. The principals on which it is based might be the same. But they are not duplicates. The other difference is how the plays are called and managed - which is most definitely not the same. I have not seen enough Falcons or TN games to say - but 49ers, Pack and Rams all call WAY more aggressive game plans than KS does. That's significant and has a tremendous impact..... To be fair, the injury to Baker and the team this year truly impacted what plays we were able to call. I've said it elsewhere - I think all of us under-appreciate just how badly the entire team was hit and what difference it made.


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Originally Posted by mgh888
Well "exact same" is not true/accurate.... the concept might be the same. The principals on which it is based might be the same. But they are not duplicates. The other difference is how the plays are called and managed - which is most definitely not the same. I have not seen enough Falcons or TN games to say - but 49ers, Pack and Rams all call WAY more aggressive game plans than KS does. That's significant and has a tremendous impact..... To be fair, the injury to Baker and the team this year truly impacted what plays we were able to call. I've said it elsewhere - I think all of us under-appreciate just how badly the entire team was hit and what difference it made.

You are correct. I should have said system instead of offense. As for aggressiveness, I don't know if that is true. Rams and 49ers fans are always complaining about Shanahan and McVay being too conservative. The Packers have Rodgers so they are in a completely different class with regards to basically everything.

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It's same/similar offense as San Francisco runs.

Where (I think) they run circles around us in terms of offensive identity is playcalling. Another similarity is that the 9ers have also tended to fall apart when the injury bug hits.


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Originally Posted by cfrs15
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Well "exact same" is not true/accurate.... the concept might be the same. The principals on which it is based might be the same. But they are not duplicates. The other difference is how the plays are called and managed - which is most definitely not the same. I have not seen enough Falcons or TN games to say - but 49ers, Pack and Rams all call WAY more aggressive game plans than KS does. That's significant and has a tremendous impact..... To be fair, the injury to Baker and the team this year truly impacted what plays we were able to call. I've said it elsewhere - I think all of us under-appreciate just how badly the entire team was hit and what difference it made.

You are correct. I should have said system instead of offense. As for aggressiveness, I don't know if that is true. Rams and 49ers fans are always complaining about Shanahan and McVay being too conservative. The Packers have Rodgers so they are in a completely different class with regards to basically everything.

The wide-zone scheme is extremely QB friendly and you are right that the Packers with Rodgers are the standard. While the scheme is QB friendly, the play-calling is limited by what the QB can do. Rodgers can make every throw, throw off platform and create out of structure. Guys like Goff and Garoppolo limit the ceiling for the offense and there's good reason both teams looked to upgrade the QB position with the 49ers drafting Trey Lance and the Rams trading for Stafford. Stafford can make throws that Goff could never make.

The Titans have done a great job getting everything they can out of Tannehill and he may be maxed out on how far he can take the team. I don't think anyone thinks he can lead them to a Super Bowl, but he can win some games in the playoffs.

The system can make below average QBs look average, average QBs look good, good QBs look great and great QBs elite. It certainly maximizes the position.

Good read on the teams that you've mentioned and the use of the wide-zone scheme...

https://web.northeastern.edu/gamepl...test-new-offensive-scheme-so-successful/

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The point is the scheme is wrong or if you won't accept that then the play calling is horrid. None of the teams listed except for TEN can match the Browns run offense. Every one of those teams including SFO has a better pass offense. The Browns offense is predictable and does not get adjusted no matter the circumstances. Now the Browns have one of the weakest WR groups in the entire NFL with Landry being the top PFF receiver for the Browns at #73 out of a 131 WR's rated. The lack of use of our TE's skill sets has given the Browns one of the poorest TE receiving groups in the NFL. This all falls on Stefanski's shoulders who was mentored by Zimmer., Stefanski has taken Zimmer's scheme and enhanced it to the point the Browns passing game is now in the bottom 25% of the league. All this with a QB that broke Peyton Mannings rookie record for TD's. Mayfield's pass attempts have dropped each year since Stefanski arrived. It's impossible to have a chemistry with your WR's and TE's when you're reducing the number of attempts each year which has a tremendous impact on the accuracy of the passing game and actually goes against the wide-zone scheme when playing 2 and 3 TE sets as much as the Browns do under Stefanski.

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I read this whole thing and have no idea how it relates to Stefanski other than that he used to work for the Vikings.

Regardless, Stefanski needs to draw up an offense for the 21st century instead of his 20th century offense.

Stefanski's offense is the exact same offense the 49ers, Packers, Rams, Titans, and Falcons run.

Well, I guess we are in the playoffs like the 49ers, Rams & Titans are.

Falcons didn't quite make it, but I'm sure that was just an anomaly.

Thanks for your help.


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Yeah, we should have been throwing a lot more this year with an injured QB.


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This is pretty big news within our division. Let’s hope they screw the hire up (they won’t).

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Defensive coordinator Wink Martindale out in Baltimore

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...h-defensive-coordinator-wink-martindale/

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That's insane. He's a great DC, and did a great job with much of his defense on IR.


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Originally Posted by Dave

He’s great. Starting over on defense when we finally have continuity doesn’t seem wise.

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He’s great. Starting over on defense when we finally have continuity doesn’t seem wise.

But I want chaos when we're on defense. The good kind, where it happens to the other team, not us.

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