I've watched a number of GA games this past year and Walker really stood out to me. I think he would be nice complement to Myles if we don't resign Clowney.
Especially with position priority. Edge rushers are right behind quarterbacks.
In this coming draft the first two picks are most likely to be edge rushers.
Berry likes waves of pass rushers. Takk was playing well for us. I hope he can fully recover from the achilles injury.
At this point Clowney is close to being a must have. Berry will get no discount. Clowney may want to move to warm weather. At the same time he likes Myles. He knows Myles helps him. He may wish to stay because it is a known situation. But he will want fair market value.
No matter if they resign Takk and or Clowney. Berry will not hesitate to invest in a guy like Walker if he is the BPA.
I would hope our plan for DE is to re-sign Clowney for 2 or so years and draft a guy this year that needs to work on his game/strength some or needs to rehab an injury. Get a guy that you need a year or so to get ready for starter-level workload.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
That may be the plan however, Clowney may choose to move on. Myles said this before the season ended:
"You know I have tried, but you never know,” Garrett said. “Guys have their own agendas and want to be in certain places. I can’t help it if a guy wants to be in Miami, he likes the weather there more or he likes to be by the water. At the end of the day, I want this team to stay together, and I want the defense to stay together. I think we have a good future ahead of us. I am going to do my best when I speak to them about it after the season.”
Here are some of the first round draft predictions for the Browns......
Mel Kiper Jr. - ESPN.com
The pick: WR Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
The analysis: Kiper calls this an "easy pick" for a variety of reasons, including Wilson's versatility as a slot or outside receiver. Wilson had 70 receptions for 1,058 yards and 12 touchdowns last season.
Daniel Jeremiah - NFL Network
The pick: EDGE Travon Walker, Georgia
The analysis: Jeremiah views Walker (6-5, 275) as a "physical freak" who could be among those who show out at the upcoming NFL Combine. He sees Walker as the third EDGE player to come off the board after Aidan Hutchinson and Kayvon Thibodeaux, both of whom he projects in the top five.
Bucky Brooks - NFL Network
The pick: WR Drake London, USC
The analysis: London, at 6-foot-5 and 210 pounds, is one of the tallest targets in this year's class. Brooks has him as the second wide receiver off the board behind Wilson.
Chris Trapasso - CBSSports.com
The pick: WR Treylon Burks, Arkansas
The analysis: While London is the tallest among the top-rated receivers, Burks, at 6-3 and 225 pounds, is the biggest. Burks was a beast for Arkansas in 2021, hauling in 66 passes for 1,104 yards and 11 touchdowns while also adding 112 yards and a score on the ground.
Ryan Wilson - CBSSports.com
The pick: WR Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
The analysis: Ryan Wilson doesn't think Burks will be available at 13 but likes the potential of Garrett Wilson, who would give the Browns the kind of downfield threat they've coveted in recent years.
Josh Edwards - CBSSports.com
The pick: WR Treylon Burks, Arkansas
The analysis: Jeremiah recently compared Burks to Titans WR A.J. Brown because of his strength, physicality and toughness.
Vinnie Iyer - Sporting News
The pick: WR Chris Olave, Ohio State
The analysis: Iyer zags from the majority of mock drafters by pegging Olave as his first receiver off the board. Olave played four seasons at Ohio State and finished with a program-record 35 TDs.
Austin Gayle, Pro Football Focus
The pick: WR Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
The analysis: Gayle calls Wilson "a smooth route-runner with spectacular-catch ability and dynamism with and without the ball in his hands."
Michael Middlehurst-Schwartz - USA Today
The pick: WR Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
The analysis: Wilson, a former five-star recruit, starred at the same high school (Lake Travis in Austin, Texas) as Browns QB Baker Mayfield.
I really hope Treylon Burks is available at 13. I'll take the extra 3" in size, 35lbs of beef and truck-driving stiff-arm over Garrett Wilson every day of the week.
Wr is a huge need, true but it is so deep at the top. If we are going to take a Wr in the 1st I think we trade down for picks in next year's draft. If we miss out on the guys we like the most at Wr there is a fallback to Bell, Metchie, Pickens... in round 2.
If a guy we like at a higher positional value is available like Karlaftis DE Purdue then I think we take him. JMO on what we will do.
Personally, at this time, I would take Burks or London. I go back and forth on who my favorite is.
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I really hope Treylon Burks is available at 13. I'll take the extra 3" in size, 35lbs of beef and truck-driving stiff-arm over Garrett Wilson every day of the week.
I agree. I am no expert by any means, but I do watch a lot of SEC football and Burks is a stud and a half. He reminds me of Michael Irvin, the former Cowboy. The guy runs, jumps, catches the ball, and is a strong, thick receiver.
Some looks...I post just to show why i say Mike Irvin. Looks just like him IMO.
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I can see the Michael Irvin comparison, I said Deebo Samuel... kinda looks like a mix of the two.
Neither of us mentioned his speed... not world class but still very fast... and quick. Actually probably about 1/2 second faster than Garrett Wilson (4.4s).
I have Treylon Burks set to run a 40 time in the high 4.3 range, such as a 4.39. This would be above the league average of 4.48. On film, Burks has good speed off the line of scrimmage to accelerate upfield. Additionally, the defense plays several yards off of Burks to accommodate for his quickness. Finally, he plays with a great second gear once the ball is in his hands to breakaway from defenders in space.
I agree... I'd be a bit surprised if we draft a WR at 13... can see us trading down and taking a late 1st round WR or 2nd round Wr...
I agree. I only commented on Burks in the event we do draft a WR in the 1st, which to be honest would make me unhappy. Burks will go round 1.
I could see us going WR in round 2. A couple that should be there that are as good as most of the guys mentioned early are Romeo Doubs of Nevada, and George Pickens of Georgia. I would be happy with either of them in round 2.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
13th pick I leave wide open to take the best player. And, incorporate position preference in the ranking.
If a WR is ranked the same as DE. Take the DE. You will have a better chance getting a receiver later.
The key for the Browns next year is defense and speciafically pass rush pressure.
I agree and pretty much always do on draft strategy. BPA is almost always the best route. Wanting a QB can change that some, as can some special need lke a kicker or long snapper, and as you said, if you have 2-3 players with basically the same grade, then you can use positional need to make the selection.
I will add that you can also eliminate positions, or at least diminish various positions if you are pretty much set at starter and are happy with depth at the position. As an example RB might be there assuming we get Johnson signed. Between Chubb, Hunt, Johnson, Felton and the guy(can't think of his name at the moment) on the practice squad, I could see not being interested in drafting a RB.
I agree, pass rush pressure is a big thing. I may see it more needed at the tackle position, but anywhere is welcomed as we have questions across the line.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
It has always astounded me how risky the draft still is in the first round.
When you are getting a pick at the top 32 players in all college football. How can you blow that pick?
Scouts are tracking players for years. The team has a huge budget to scout players. Then you have tape and records of pretty much everything the prospect has done from birth. You get multiple chances to interview the guy. Work him out privately. Look at his medical records. His Combine results. Break down all his game tape.
And still the failure rate is high? That blows my mind.
I agree. With all the top QB's in the AFC pass rushing is at a premium. I would take a good edge rusher over any other position except a top QB prospect. We all remember what Guys like John Elway and Ben did to us in past years. An excellent pass rush would have made a difference in a lot of those games.
I agree. With all the top QB's in the AFC pass rushing is at a premium. I would take a good edge rusher over any other position except a top QB prospect. We all remember what Guys like John Elway and Ben did to us in past years. An excellent pass rush would have made a difference in a lot of those games.
The best QBs don't give a (hoot) about your pass rush, because they can release the ball and hit a completion in a short enough time than any pass rusher could ever arrive.
The Real best thing that would have made a difference in games like those would have been to have had a really Great Quarterback of your own to put the moves on the other team!
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Rasheem Green from Seattle or Arden Key from San Fran. Both are young, hitting their first non-rookie contract, and both had really productive seasons hitting the QB and getting sacks.
Re-sign Odenigbo, re-sign Clowney. Draft where available as well.
DE fixed.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I'm not out on any of the QBs I've seen mentioned, but I'm not in on them either. Carson Strong from Nevada is an interesting QB prospect that I haven't heard much talk about on here yet. I need to watch more of him.
I wasn't impressed with Travon Walker in what I saw of him in the Kentucky game, though I need to watch more of him.
Normally I'd prefer not to take a WR high in the 1st, but the way this class seems to be stacking up, the Arkansas guy is intriguing.
I've been trying to find a DT I like, but none of them have made me go whoa yet. Davis brings Shelton too much to mind for me.
The Iowa center is interesting. Tretter's been solid for us, but he seems to always be dealing with something and he's not getting any younger. We do have a lot invested in the OL already, but he might be BPA.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
If we stay at pick #13 I see us going after one of these guys WR Wilson, WR Burks, C Linderbaum, or possibly a LB like Lloyd or Dean. Of the top OTs available (Neal & Cross) I see Neal as a RT and I don't think Cross is as good of a LT as Willis is. As for DTs I don't see any worthy of a 1st round pick. I would love either Wilson or Burks but I'm not sure how much emphasis Berry and KS place on the WR position so I could easily see us taking Linderbaum, trading Tretter, and signing a stop gap RT like Morgan Moses.
Willis will be broken apart under a thick magnifying glass. He played for Liberty.
His tape is not all good. He makes mistakes.
The evaluation process is long. Lots to look at. He maybe the first quarterback taken. He may not be.
Over the next three months his game will be broken down.
With that said. I love his upside. He can do things many can not.
When I look at college prospects, whether they went to Liberty or tOSU or Alabama, I focus on their games vs the best teams they played. I ignore their games vs teams like Old Dominion or Southeast Western Alabama St. With that said, here is a cutup of Willis vs the Ole Miss, the best team Liberty played this year.
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I think it's going to be a weak spot again next season. Hopefully we can sign a guy like BJ Hill or Akiem Hicks or bring back Sheldon Richardson. There are some decent DT prospects in the draft but there are no studs, the top rated guys are;
Jordan Davis from Georgia but he is a Shelton clone in that he's pretty good against the run but offers virtually nothing as a pass rusher.
Devonte Wyatt (My #1 DT) from Georgia who is a more rounded DT and has shown flashes but he hasn't dominated with his play.
Logan Hall from Houston he is 6'6" but only weighs 260 lbs. and is better suited at DE.
DeMarvin Leal from Texas A&M is a guy some have listed as a DT but he played almost exclusively at DE during his college career and he was only average at stopping the run and didn't exactly dominate as a pass rusher.
A couple of other guys who I like;
Travis Jones from Connecticut Neil Farrell from LSU
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With that said. I love his upside. He can do things many can not.
I'm certainly not trying to disparage your opinion here because I really haven't even looked at the QB's coming out this year. It's probably because I see no way that we would draft a QB this year. Lord knows I could be wrong about that though.
I just quoted the parts in your post that sounded so eerily familiar to me. It's almost the exactly same thing if not exactly the same thing that was being said about Josh Allen when he came into the draft. Of course I'm not saying this kid will be the next Josh Allen or that he can beat the odds the way Josh Allen has. I mean how many kids coming into the draft have a completions percentage under 57% in college go on to be as good as he is in the NFL? But just seeing it in print was like déjà vu.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
More than you think. I've always felt that Allen's completion percentage argument was BS, where he could never become accurate or more accurate. He could spin the rock and that was enough for me. Wyoming ran a pro style offense unlike the spread and air raid offenses most other QBs were running where completion percentages would be a lot higher.
See:
Brett Favre Dan Marino John Elway (1st 3 years at Stanford) Eli Manning Russell Wilson (@ NC State)
I would be shocked if we draft a QB in the 1st Round ...
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Yes, a few of us have mentioned him over the last few months. No doubt a big leg. He also placekicked, but I am not sure he is as awesome in that regard.
I would like to have the kid, but I would have to see more in the placekicking. IMO we need a field goal kicker who is more reliable from say 45 yards and shorter.
If we were set at placekicker, I would draft that kid with our comp pick in the 3rd round. As it is, I want to draft Cade York, LSU in the 3rd. All things being equal, I think a top field goal kicker wins you more games over a top punter, but I don't know if there is any way for the average fan to measure that. I don't have an analytics department to crunch those factors, but no doubt that flipping the field can be a big advantage.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
With that said. I love his upside. He can do things many can not.
I'm certainly not trying to disparage your opinion here because I really haven't even looked at the QB's coming out this year. It's probably because I see no way that we would draft a QB this year. Lord knows I could be wrong about that though.
I just quoted the parts in your post that sounded so eerily familiar to me. It's almost the exactly same thing if not exactly the same thing that was being said about Josh Allen when he came into the draft. Of course I'm not saying this kid will be the next Josh Allen or that he can beat the odds the way Josh Allen has. I mean how many kids coming into the draft have a completions percentage under 57% in college go on to be as good as he is in the NFL? But just seeing it in print was like déjà vu.
Like Allen, Willis works with a private QB coach. This is from the Sports Illustrated QB article Arch had recently mentioned discussing QBs training to throw off platform and make plays out of structure...
In Atlanta, Sean McEvoy, a trainer with QB Takeover, a firm that works with Deshaun Watson, Jalen Hurts, Justin Fields, Tyrod Taylor and potential 2021 first-round pick Malik Willis of Liberty, runs drills that simulate the evasion of a defender, escape to the sideline and eventual off-platform throw. The field is dotted with cones that prompt the quarterback to drop back, sprint shuffle to his blind side, sprint in the other direction, then spin back toward the blind side, until he releases a throw from a potentially vulnerable, unset position. Willis completed a pass comically similar to the path taken in this drill against Virginia Tech a year ago.
If the Steelers get a crack at Malik Willis. They will take it. I truly believe that Tomlin along with Colbert (who will retire after the draft) believe in the importance of quarterback mobility.
In fact they might move up to get him.
Between now and the draft; tape will show that Willis will need time to develop. The Steelers will be patient. If they think he is ready. They will play him. If not they will make do with others till he is ready.
When you are uncertain about your quarterback position. You may have to take a calculated risk. The calculation part comes from trusting your ability to evaluate the prospect.
Right now I could not fairly evaluate Willis. That is because I have limited information. NFL teams have the resources and the opportunity to perform those evaluations.
In the end the Steelers will go with his upside potential.
Willis to me looks like a bigger version of Murray.
I agree on the mobility part. If you look around the league, most or at least many QB's are mobile, I guess a watered down version of running QB. If I have any big beef with baker at this point, it is his mobility with his short, choppy stride.
QB was the one position teams didn't have to defend from a rushing standpoint. I'd love a QB who could regularly gain 500 yards per year on the ground. That is like 30 yards a game. Hardly huge numbers, but yards that would result in more 1st downs. It would also make the other team defend the position not only from a passing standpoint.
IMO if you don't have a QB who can and will run, you are playing 1 skill position short.
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