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I'll be honest, in my eyes all you need to do is watch Schwartz run routes in traffic to know that he plays scared. Particularly when the ball is thrown his way in traffic.

I think he's more unsure of himself with his limited time on the field but I certainly understand how and why you would see it that way. In college he just ran past everyone and didn't really catch many balls in traffic. So I just see it as something relatively new to him he is having to adjust to. But like I said, I can see why you might see it as you do.

Schwartz is a bust. Not a good football player. Now if we were a track team he has a future. Playing football he is a bust!

The last Browns WR that was.drafted and had a 1,000 yd season was Josh Gordon
And that was 9 years ago.
Look at your 2021 playoff teams.
Almost every team had a WR that surpassed 1,000 yds.
Meanwhile AB is drafting raw projects in RD 3-that could have been drafted
In the lower RDs.
The Browns need to draft a WR that can come in and at the least be
A 55 900 7 TD kind of WR year 1.
Other teams find these WRs all the time
How come the Browns cant?

That's a very good assessment.

And I'll acknowledge the weakness in my argument as it was easy to be jaded from the get-go when the early INT cost us our QB. Putting a rookie under the microscope when he is just really learning the position is probably not the best approach.

I still see #notarealfootballplayer, but would love to be proven wrong.

I think people need to give Schwartz a little time.

Tyreek Hill was drafted in 2016 round 5 pick 165 by KC. In the first season, he played in all 16 games, 61 receptions 83 targets, 593 yards receiving, and 6 TDs. KC's starting receivers were Chris Conley, Demetrius Harris, and Jeremy Maclin. The Chiefs had a well-rounded group of receivers.

I believe Cleveland needs to establish a group. In my opinion, the thought was to build this group around OBJ and Landry. At the same time, give Baker veteran receivers to help him. I think that fell apart when OBJ left and Landry was hurt.

If you followed Cincy's method, they established receivers around AJ Green and then added Chase. It definitely made things easier for Chase having Boyd and Higgins. I doubt Chase would have done as well with double coverage.

Adding a first-round receiver does not instantly make Cleveland's receiver group great. I don't think any of the receivers coming out this year are the same mold as Chase. They may be good receivers but nothing to build your offense around. I say focus adding speed to the receiver group. Sign a veteran receiver to help Landry lead the group. If anything, a group with speed is hard to defend. Invest a few years adding players over time maintaining salary. Who knows who turns into a Tyreek Hill type.

Well, we better do something to quicken our QB's eyes if we just want to pour "speed" all over the field.

Even as a 3rd rounder, 10 catches for 135 yards is a bit disappointing when you consider it's not like we were stacked at the WR position and he had a bunch of A players to compete with for playing time.

On a different note, our leading WR (by catches) was Landry with 52 and our leading WR (by yards) was DPJ at 597... we weren't exactly lighting it up in the passing game where he could have amassed good stats anyway.

Hopefully a healthy Baker will elevate the passing game as a whole. He will either rise with it and contribute or he won't.

There isn't a rookie in this draft that will change it. Get some leadership in the receiver room and draft skill sets. I understand Receivers need an upgrade, but one player is not going to fix it. Receivers are not like other positions where one or two players fix the problem. This group needs a foundation designed around a scheme. It needs several players who complement and support.

I understand Schwartz's numbers were not great, but he was hurt most of the season with different minor injuries. That sucked.

Receivers are not where one or two players fix the problem? The Right ones do.

I agree, our receivers aren't horrible, we just don't have a legit #1 WR.. a Davante Samuel, Cooper Kupp, Ja'marr Chase who draws attention and still gets catches. Heck, look at OBJ, he's doing great as the #2 WR in LA.. we didn't need another #2, we needed a legit #1.

Most WRs have to play with nagging minor injuries.its the nature of the position
The good ones learn out to play through those injuries etc
Schwartz looks like he could be snapped in.half by just pushing him.
He makes Webster Slaughter look like David Boston.
The game is too physical for him

There isnt one Browns WR that commands a double team or bracket coverage
They don't have a WR that can make defenses pay with a missed tackle or blown coverage.
The Browns have a bunch of #3 WRs trying to be 1's and 2,'s
Maybe AB should start drafting WRs before RD 3 that can play and produce right away.
Not draft ones you have to wait 2-3 year to see if they have the goods

Is that a combination of Davante Adams and Deebo Samuel? If so, I would love a Davante Samuel.

Right, AB should have drafted WRs in rounds 1 and 2 instead of:

1. LT - Wills
2. FS - Delpit

1. CB - Newsome
2. LB - JOK

Andrew Berry has bargin bin shopped when it comes
To WRs he has drafted. And you get what you pay for.
Peoples Jones and Schwartz werent even.in the upper
Tier of own conferences at their position.
Berry is a good GM. But he isn't the best GM in the AFC or
The North.

Seems like a ridiculous way to judge "how good" Berry is as a GM. All of those picks listed were solid picks addressing clear areas of need...

On a team with Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham Jr.

I'm sure he'll move above "bargain bin mentality" now that WR is a clear area of need.

When you have a HC that doesn't like using WR's much why pay or draft one and expect them to be in the top of the class . Got to get a WR that can half ass do their job with out complaining that they aren't getting targeted enough... Sound familiar ?

You go where the greatest value and greatest needs intersect. In an ideal world, you've patched all of your holes in free agency and are completely, 100%, free to blindly take the best player, but that never happens.
Since Berry has been here and been the GM, we've had OBJ and Landry. The two of them combined meant we were never going to take a WR at the top of the draft, and it also meant we were never going to pursue a high-dollar free agent WR; and we had FAR bigger needs, which he took care of.

People are doing a LOT of revisionist whining, it seems.

It's not a bad 4 draft picks right?

Wills was graded last year as the best LT out of that deep LT draft class. He was hurt this year.
Delphit got hurt last year but when he got some playing time this year he looked legit and jumped off the screen at you a couple times.
Newsome is a plug and play legit starting CB in the NFL.
JOK ... no need to say anything right?

With draft picks being what they are - at least 50% of these 4 picks statistically should be busts or back ups. We have 4 starters at positions of (then) need. I know i was screaming for JOK in the first round last year - and Berry managed to get Newsome AND JOK. At this point Berry is probably streets ahead of any GM in the last 22 years. And for all the Dorsey fans - if Baker is a bust, Dorsey becomes one more failed GM that came to Cleveland and messed things up.

Anthony Schwartz just needs to play a lot better. Howso? Like, fighting at the point of attack for starters.

(Was OBJ's dad a revisionist whiner?)

No, OBJ's dad is simply a whiner. Period.

My only problem with Berry is WHERE he drafted Schwartz ; the same goes for Elliott !

Honestly I think it was a combination of confidence, not getting release from the line and scheme. Early we saw plays designed to use his speed and he dropped balls or failed to challenge for them. After that he really didn't feature much. I don't know that I would close the book on him - but I also hope he's not intended to be more than a 4th or 5th option at this point.

I was hoping we would throw a handful of plays his way that would really feature his speed, but I didn't really see us do that. I saw us give him route-running and jump ball reps, which made no sense.

couldn't schwartz be a version of tyreek hill? hill started off doing kick/punt returns and developed into the WR we see today.

part of schwartz struggling with development was that he had to be thrown in the fire very early.

I'm going off memory - but didn't he play quite a bit and flash in the KC game? And then it was all downhill after? And agree that part of the issue was a 3rd round somewhat project having to get thrown in a the deep and while I hate to invoke the name, Baker wasn't accurate after week 2 and struggled too which impacts all the receiving core ... in addition to their own struggles.

He was VERY raw coming in. Basically, just an athletic freak that had a ton to learn.
He could very well develop into a VERY good WR, but the jury is definitely still out. We should see a large jump this summer. If we don't, he should probably be in the last cut-down.

i agree.

i just hope the coaching staff lets him be the primary punt/kick returner starting out. i think thats the best way to get a handle on his speed. he's obviously fast, but that doesnt mean anything if he can't control it on the field.

im worried what happens this offseason though, cause we could find ourselves watching this dude take #2 WR snaps, when he needs to be #3-4 at best starting out.

i guess this boils down to if we have the coaching staff on the back end capable of developing these guys with raw talent and little experience.

Schwartz might have great inline speed. I haven't seen much evidence of it, but I the Browns FO must have, or why else draft him? But I don't think he has the fast-twitch speed and wiggle that Tyreek Hill has. Maybe the light will turn on in his 2nd year, but I'm not holding my breath.

i think we have to have hope because we've seen enough flashes of him getting open. thats the hard part of the league, and he doesnt really have a problem getting open.

its finishing routes, YAC and his body movement, blocking, etc. obviously thats a TON of stuff he has to fix before he can even be a core part of the offense, but its easier to fix everything else if you already have the "getting open" part knocked out.

he isn't the talent of CeeDee Lamb, but just for comparison sake, Lambs rookie year was issues revolving around exactly those things i listed. lamb was getting open out the gate, but the moves he made in the open field in college doesn't work in the NFL. so he has/had to adjust everything around that.

schwartz definitely has the ability to at least be a solid #2, but lets hope he's putting in a lot of working heading into OTAs

I'm pretty sure it was that game that he quit on a route because he heard footsteps and got Baker intercepted, which is when his shoulder got destroyed trying to tackle the guy.
After that, Schwartz NEEDED to lose favor. Unfortunately, he kept having these "learning moments" throughout the season in different ways.

Hopefully, a professional WR comes out the other side of it all and this summer we see a guy dedicated to learning and running routes and who also works hard on catching - both jugs machine and kicks. It all depends on how he chooses to react to this past season.

History has shown WRs from Auburn rarely pan out.
And Schwartz was nothing more a decoy in their offense
How CBers did he absolutely destroy and eat up in the SEC?
Im talking about the Eric Stokes types, not 3rd stringers

It's not like Schwartz has All Pros to beat out in Cleveland
On the deprh chart. Beckham was cut. And Landry missed
Half the season. He had every chance to make plays
But he didnt why. ?
He simply is overmatched at this level

Speed doesn't lie. Checking a guys speed is pretty transparent. I think the problem with Schwartz is he isn't shifty, unlike Hill and doesn't catch the ball as well.

... and he's afraid of contact.

Swartz has the speed we all love. Does he have the intangables???? NO CLUE. We will know a lot more after his next two seasons. I know, I know, people have been bashing me since 1999 when I say it takes three years to know how a draft turned out. This is another case and I don't give a freaking penny about who agrees with me. No matter how much yinz holler, scream, and witch. It takes three years to know how almost every draft pick turns out.

Isnt that the story of every Browns WR drafted since 1999
You have to wait 3 years for them to start seeing
If they have the goods or not?
Meanwhile other teams are drafting WRs who are making
Plays Day 1.
Wake me up when a Browns WR that draft doesnt need training
Wheels

Obviously you slept through 11-5 when we had a healthy QB.

Schwartz's lack of playmaking and being able to adjust
To the NFL game has very little to do with Bakers injury