I got about 1/2 through the Malone interview. I can see how people have an issue with that interview. He has some impressive credentials and makes himself sound about as authoritative on the topic as can be. I will say, it's a red flag for me when someone basically says, "I'm a big deal", which is what he did constantly (both subtly and not-at-all-subtly) throughout the part that I watched. I still think the response is overblown. Malone said several times that he took the vaccination. He very briefly mentioned that the side effects the experienced are very rare. He does a really good job of covering up that he's seeking attention. Many times while I was watching the interview I was reminded of my military buddies and my brother that complained about fellow service members that either exaggerated or outright lied about the nature of their service to make it sound more intense.
I watched snippets of Rogan's response to the backlash, and I applaud it. Basically, he gave a clear non-apology (good), but promised to do a little better in terms of balancing the types of guest he has on the show. Basically, have one guy saying one thing and then shortly after follow up with someone who will argue the other way. I think that makes a lot of sense.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I watched that video from CNN itself, and the only way I see it is a slam on CNN and the like. "Look at this guy that rejects tribalism and can talk to people on extreme ends of the spectrum.... people actually like that!"
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
So you're saying people love to hear one side of a topic without any challenges or debate on the topic? Because that's what we do hear. That's not what Rogan does. He allows people to say crazy things without challenge.
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He allows people to say crazy things without challenge.
Another example of someone who has not listened to his podcasts. He pushes back, questions, and debates many of his guests and their points. If you ever listened or watched (which you clearly don't), one may not like what he chooses to push back on, or his approach in doing so, but he does.
Comments like the one quoted are an example of people who read headlines and nothing more. People, don't be like this.
Pitiful
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
In the 1.5 episodes I watched, I didn't see him do anything that I would confidently call 'push back'. I saw him being very hesitant to question anything Dr. Malone said. It also felt like Rogan steered the convo to easier-to-defend spots (Malone's less questionable past statements). In the Epstein episode, I saw him repeatedly return and ask the same question, but never go for the kill-shot when the guy was practically begging for it.
add: I also watched about half of an episode where he had Alex Jones on again with a comedian. It felt like he was mostly babysitting Alex Jones while they were talking, getting him to shut up when he started getting too far out in front of his skies.
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There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I just hope we all remember that government has nothing to do with this backlash.
All government can do is hope companies put the disclaimer label with regards to COVID. But government has no say so on whether Rogan keeps his podcast or not.
That’s on a Spotify, a corporation. They will make the best decision based on their business, not government.
People also have to remember that yea, you have a right to say whatever you want, no matter how dumb or wrong it is.
But you DONT have a right to do that on someone else’s platform. If a platform decides it doesn’t want you on it, there’s nothing government can do about it. There are other platforms that will allow someone to say whatever they want to say. But nobody is entitled to platform, whether it’s YouTube or Spotify.
I’m simply stating this because it’s not just the board but everywhere in the country where people are acting like joe rogan is being silenced. It implies like the government is involved. It’s not.
This is what the free market correcting itself looks like. Joe rogan has a deal with a platform to say whatever he wants. The consumers and/or artist of that same platform have a right to voice their discontent by boycotting the platform or removing their music from it.
Too many people think that your right to speech grants you freedom from consequences.
I’ve said so many things that have gotten me suspended on this board. I can’t go to the government and expect them to force DT to reverse the suspension. DT is a private company with its own terms of service that I agreed to when creating the account. So if i violate the ToS, then it’s comes with a suspension. Or if I don’t get suspended, others who use this platform can voice their anger by either blocking me, boycotting the board, or advocating for DT to remove my account. But the government has no say so in that process.
Same thing with rogan.
The people with the whole “we have a right to our opinions” ignore that fact that other people also have a right to theirs. So just like conservatives can call liberals unpatriotic and claim we hate this country, I can ALSO say that you’re all dumb and inbred morons.
That’s how free speech works. You have a right to speech. You do NOT have freedom from criticism.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I got about 1/2 through the Malone interview. I can see how people have an issue with that interview. He has some impressive credentials and makes himself sound about as authoritative on the topic as can be. I will say, it's a red flag for me when someone basically says, "I'm a big deal", which is what he did constantly (both subtly and not-at-all-subtly) throughout the part that I watched. I still think the response is overblown. Malone said several times that he took the vaccination. He very briefly mentioned that the side effects the experienced are very rare. He does a really good job of covering up that he's seeking attention. Many times while I was watching the interview I was reminded of my military buddies and my brother that complained about fellow service members that either exaggerated or outright lied about the nature of their service to make it sound more intense.
I watched snippets of Rogan's response to the backlash, and I applaud it. Basically, he gave a clear non-apology (good), but promised to do a little better in terms of balancing the types of guest he has on the show. Basically, have one guy saying one thing and then shortly after follow up with someone who will argue the other way. I think that makes a lot of sense.
I have not watched/listened to any of his podcasts. I have friends that love him. When I hear snippets of him, he seems like he wants to come across as this down to earth common sense guy - maybe it's just me, it seems he's too much about his brand and that he's a little too good at marketing himself than he is at content. Just me.
Regards what you wrote - it basically aligns with what I would have assumed, without me listening to the podcast in question. My expectation was that - unlike YouTube or media outlets where people have seriously championed misinformation - the podcast aired things that many medical professionals have challenged but without the podcast promoting those things as "this is the whole and only truth".
At the end of the day both Malone and Rogan are self publicists. They are doing this to get airtime and attention and the bottom line - money/brand/market.
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Another - Covid but different - story this week was on NPR. They did an excellent segment on how those peddling misinformation and essentially lies, are making profits and breaking down the way they are doing it.
This is the sort of misinformation I see people embrace all the time - I've seen it here and on other web sites I am on. I think this is a more interesting story than the Rogan hoopla.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
In the 1.5 episodes I watched, I didn't see him do anything that I would confidently call 'push back'. I saw him being very hesitant to question anything Dr. Malone said. It also felt like Rogan steered the convo to easier-to-defend spots (Malone's less questionable past statements). In the Epstein episode, I saw him repeatedly return and ask the same question, but never go for the kill-shot when the guy was practically begging for it.
add: I also watched about half of an episode where he had Alex Jones on again with a comedian. It felt like he was mostly babysitting Alex Jones while they were talking, getting him to shut up when he started getting too far out in front of his skies.
There is a podcast with Sanjay Gupta of CNN during the whole Ivermectin issue when Rogan had Covid. He definitely pushes back on him at points during the conversation and, IIRC, wouldn't let him dodge certain questions when it came to him and his employer.
Again, agree or disagree with his views or approach by all means, but he's probably done thousands of these podcasts and for some to attempt this poor hyperbole and narrative (not you) of Rogan is literally people just reading nothing more than news headlines for their own confirmation bias.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
What government action have they taken to silence rogan?
You didn’t mention one thing that the government did to silence anybody.
You can’t honestly being sitting here saying “saying he’s spreading misinformation = trying to silence him”
Let’s say you’re POTUS. I claim that the polio vaccine is dumb and everybody is gonna Get AIDSs if they get it. You, the POTUS or your spokesperson responds “hey swish is spreading misinformation, here are the facts.”
How in gods name does that mean government is trying to silence me? How does criticism =silence?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
LOL. It wasn't the last admirations press secretary - it was the last POTUS that called on a Coca Cola Boycott. Along with Harley Davidson, Apple, Rolling Stone and GLENFIDDICH among other things ... did you cry out regarding Government interference each time those things happened? Just wondering. Personally I think there is a mile wide canyon between expressing an opinion as a politician and "government interference".
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I just hope we all remember that government has nothing to do with this backlash.
All government can do is hope companies put the disclaimer label with regards to COVID. But government has no say so on whether Rogan keeps his podcast or not.
Side note: This is why I originally decided to NOT put this in PP (and hoped it wouldn't remain). There are some interesting topics behind all this that deserve conversation.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Which is why I find it sad I even have to address the fact that government has no control over this situation.
This public issue can’t be legislated. It SHOULDNT be. This is American society discussing social issues. It’s about consumer power, private platforms, and content creators.
We should all have that base understanding so we don’t even bother with the government aspect of this topic. And yet here we are.
So all that said, my issue is Rogan is strictly style and how he handles backlash. He’s got millions of listeners, and we all know that he has people follow his every word whether he likes it or not. He ticks me off when he tries to pull the “hey I’m a comedian why you listening to me” and then turns around and brings on guess to try and discuss facts like he’s a legitimate news outlet.
This what I call the Tucker Carlson Conundrum. Dude has millions of viewers and followers that believe damn near everything that comes out of his mouth, yet in a court case, a judge determined that “no reasonable person could take Carlson seriously”.
Here’s another example that we’ve had plenty of times on this board and on social media: when somebody commits a terrorist attack, can we hold their pastors, preachers, or imams legally responsible?
So it’s funny how the overall issue is the same, but changing the person/group will dictate the response.
Rogan has spread misinformation about COVID. What matters in these situations is intent. And intent is really hard to prove. I don’t think he intentionally spread misinformation. That doesn’t mean he isn’t wrong, but he isn’t intentionally lying to people. And at some point, a person’s individual actions have to be considered. Joe rogan isn’t the only podcast on Spotify. Joe rogan isn’t the only person talking about covid. Spotify isn’t the only platform with podcast that have people like joe rogan using it.
This whole issue only gets resolved by Americans self regulating ourselves and each other. Government can’t do anything about that. So if artist want to remove their music from the platform, they can do that. If consumers want to boycott Spotify, they can do that.
And if Spotify wants to roll with rogan, they can do that. Same thing with Netflix and the Dave Chappelle special.
So my criticism of joe rogan -that has nothing to do with censoring or cancelling - is that again, he wants to pick and choose when he’s stating facts and fall back to “hey I’m just a comedian don’t take me seriously”
I like rogan overall, but that’s a legit criticism of him. He’s been walking that line between asking questions and alex Jones level conspiracy nonsense. And that’s perfectly fine. But he’s not obligated to have a platform, and Spotify isn’t obligated to have him there.
Those things don’t violate rogans freedom of speech. He can use another platform that accepts him, or create his own platform.
I think his Covid takes are dumb as hell. I think it’s sad people take him seriously. But that’s just on Covid. I don’t like it when people try to disregard everything else said just because they disagree on one topic.
I hate tucker Carlson with a passion. Should the government step in and ban him?
No.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
In the 1.5 episodes I watched, I didn't see him do anything that I would confidently call 'push back'. I saw him being very hesitant to question anything Dr. Malone said. It also felt like Rogan steered the convo to easier-to-defend spots (Malone's less questionable past statements). In the Epstein episode, I saw him repeatedly return and ask the same question, but never go for the kill-shot when the guy was practically begging for it.
add: I also watched about half of an episode where he had Alex Jones on again with a comedian. It felt like he was mostly babysitting Alex Jones while they were talking, getting him to shut up when he started getting too far out in front of his skies.
There is a podcast with Sanjay Gupta of CNN during the whole Ivermectin issue when Rogan had Covid. He definitely pushes back on him at points during the conversation and, IIRC, wouldn't let him dodge certain questions when it came to him and his employer.
Again, agree or disagree with his views or approach by all means, but he's probably done thousands of these podcasts and for some to attempt this poor hyperbole and narrative (not you) of Rogan is literally people just reading nothing more than news headlines for their own confirmation bias.
Here is another one, with Dr. Rhonda Patrick (never heard of her, admittedly) and in this brief clip, she is given the platform to discuss misinformation surrounding Covid. He pushes back and asks questions to many things she is saying. Unfortunately for her, many of her responses end with "I don't know" when she is talking about study details, people experiencing certain side effect w/ the vaccine, etc., and at least in this clip, doesn't inspire much confidence to be leading the charge on the misinformation topic. I might try and find the entire clip to see if she discussed in more detail about the misinformation, but he clearly doesn't look sold and doesn't let her riff on the topic.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
In the 1.5 episodes I watched, I didn't see him do anything that I would confidently call 'push back'. I saw him being very hesitant to question anything Dr. Malone said. It also felt like Rogan steered the convo to easier-to-defend spots (Malone's less questionable past statements). In the Epstein episode, I saw him repeatedly return and ask the same question, but never go for the kill-shot when the guy was practically begging for it.
add: I also watched about half of an episode where he had Alex Jones on again with a comedian. It felt like he was mostly babysitting Alex Jones while they were talking, getting him to shut up when he started getting too far out in front of his skies.
And Memphis comes back by basically saying he doesn't push back against disinformation, only actual information. Then claims if you think he doesn't push back you haven't listened to his podcasts. Which has pretty much been the point all along. He pretty much gives disinformation a free pass.
You couldn't make that crap up if you tried. He'll be here all week folks. Don't forget to tip your waitress.
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Well Trump did what you complained about so much - it's relevant. But you can skate away and avoid the hard questions if you like.
So predictable.
Lol.
Yes, I should "answer tough questions about Trump" because you've chosen to divert attention from this administration. That's the liberal response to everything, "wha-wha-wha-whatabout Trump".
You're a funny guy. You point the finger claiming something that isn't true. The Biden administration has taken no action against anyone. Then you try to dance around the fact that Trump called for boycotts of all of these companies....
Trump called for boycotts of the NFL, MLB. Harley, Coke, J.P. Morgan, Viacom CBS, Amazon, New Balance, Under Armor, Goodyear, Nike, Macy's, Nordstrom and the list goes on.
You accused the Biden administration of something they didn't do. And now you're avoiding like the plague that Trump actually did do what you falsely accused the Biden administration of doing.
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A one off answer to a media question is "This Administration".
As I said there is a mile wide canyon between "This Administration" and an answer to a question by a press secretary. That's very akin to fake outrage.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
They did exactly what I said they did... some can't see the forrest through the trees and it's simply not worth the energy.
Bunch of tech companies cancel themselves because, ummm, well, it has nothing to do with pressure from the gov or the crap that goes on in dark rooms... nothing to see here folks!
Please, wake up.
I'm not avoiding anything. I don't owe anyone any explanation when every excuse for the lamest president in modern times is .... "but, Trump!"
If Trump raped someone, it would be perfectly acceptable for Biden to do the same in the world of you and your clowns.
They did exactly what I said they did... some can't see the forrest through the trees and it's simply not worth the energy.
Bunch of tech companies cancel themselves because, ummm, well, it has nothing to do with pressure from the gov or the crap that goes on in dark rooms... nothing to see here folks!
Please, wake up.
I'm not avoiding anything. I don't owe anyone any explanation when every excuse for the lamest president in modern times is .... "but, Trump!"
If Trump raped someone, it would be perfectly acceptable for Biden to do the same in the world of you and your clowns.
Your taking a one off comment that was an answer to a media question by the press secretary and you are making a stand saying that it reflects Biden and Biden's Government / Administration. It's a fallacy. Biden might deserve plenty of criticism for lots of issues. . . . what I object to, just like I did in another thread . . . people who supported Trump who never said a word about all sorts of issues, suddenly wanting to crucify Biden for either the same things, or in most cases like this, something much less. Biden didn't say or do this - a press secretary answered a question and you paint Biden with it. It was Trump himself who demanded all sorts of boycotts to all sorts of things. Apparently you don't want to acknowledge the difference.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
They did exactly what I said they did... some can't see the forrest through the trees and it's simply not worth the energy.
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I call b.s.
The government has been very involved in silencing messages they don't like as of late. Especially Rogan and Spotify.
Jen Psaki, Biden's nanny, called Spotify out by name for misinformation.
Jen Psaki, when asked about progress...
After Spotify removed all of Rogan's podcasts in question. After Spotify added disclaimers to many of his podcasts ("these words might hurt you!")
"It's a step in the right direction, but there's more that can be done."
That's the president's press secretary... the government is not involved?
C'mon man!
Can you explain how making such a statement is silencing anyone? What actual actions or calls for boycotting Spotify was done by the Biden administration? No, you can't.
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Bunch of tech companies cancel themselves because, ummm, well, it has nothing to do with pressure from the gov or the crap that goes on in dark rooms... nothing to see here folks!
What is it that went on in "dark rooms"? Is this yet another conspircy theory with no evidence that you have bought into?
Please, wake up.
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'm not avoiding anything. I don't owe anyone any explanation when every excuse for the lamest president in modern times is .... "but, Trump!"
One did what you are accusing the other one of and you refuse to man up and admit it. The one you accused did not do what you accused him of. You have zero evidence to support it. Disputing someone is not the same as calling for actions to silence them.
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If Trump raped someone, it would be perfectly acceptable for Biden to do the same in the world of you and your clowns.
Yet in this example the only one who raped anyone in terms of what you are referencing was Trump. Accusing Biden of the actual actions Trump took to try to silence people by calling for peope to boycott their businesses isn't the same as saying you disagree with someone.
#unhinged
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How would Biden say anything? On the rare occasion he leaves his bunker, he incessantly says that he won't answer questions! Jen Psaki is his mouthpiece. It's his administration, he doesn't escape criticism simply because he refuses to show up.
What actions did she call for people to do in order to silence Spotify? What actions did she say the Biden administration was going to take in order to silence Spotify? That was your accusation.
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In the 1.5 episodes I watched, I didn't see him do anything that I would confidently call 'push back'. I saw him being very hesitant to question anything Dr. Malone said. It also felt like Rogan steered the convo to easier-to-defend spots (Malone's less questionable past statements). In the Epstein episode, I saw him repeatedly return and ask the same question, but never go for the kill-shot when the guy was practically begging for it.
add: I also watched about half of an episode where he had Alex Jones on again with a comedian. It felt like he was mostly babysitting Alex Jones while they were talking, getting him to shut up when he started getting too far out in front of his skies.
And Memphis comes back by basically saying he doesn't push back against disinformation, only actual information. Then claims if you think he doesn't push back you haven't listened to his podcasts. Which has pretty much been the point all along. He pretty much gives disinformation a free pass.
You couldn't make that crap up if you tried. He'll be here all week folks. Don't forget to tip your waitress.
Huh?
People are saying he isn't pushing back on guests, and he posts clips of him pushing back... so your snark seems out of place. I'd like to see him be a little more consistent and unbiased, but the dude isn't a robot.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
How would Biden say anything? On the rare occasion he leaves his bunker, he incessantly says that he won't answer questions! Jen Psaki is his mouthpiece. It's his administration, he doesn't escape criticism simply because he refuses to show up.
And yet the previous administration all but did away with meeting the press by anyone, let along the POTUS. He went on cherry picked faux news events. And your outrage then was voiced where?
Until this government intervenes and either has an official policy or takes action on this issue you are railing against - you are simply taking rhetoric and trying to argue it as policy or action. It does not hold water. And your tip of the hat to conspiracy theories and back room deals? Exactly that - an unfounded and unsubstantiated claim that you need to introduce to a position because it holds no water.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
So you don't or can't see that the examples are only where he pushes back against people with actual information and gives those peddling disinformation a free pass? Well alrighty then. That has been the accusation all along. He allows misinformation to be spread with little to no push back. I guess if your assertion is that his examples prove that those claiming he allows this to happen is true, I would agree with you.
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Nowhere near as black-and-white as you describe it, no. I have said already that he's inconsistent (some he handles with kid gloves and some he's much more direct), but (IMO) it's not so slanted that I'm going to get bent outta shape. You know what you're thinking better than me, but you sound like you watched those videos with the express intent of finding what you were looking for vs what's there. Not trying to pile on you with that, it's just what it seems like.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I'm quite open to seeing anything that disputes what I'm saying. So you don't find it odd that someone who seemingly supports Rogan could only show examples of how he pushes back hard on the non conspiracy theorists but have provided nothing in regards to him heavily pushing back against those spewing disinformation? You said you found him to be inconsistent. And even in your own examples you posted how you thought he was soft on those spreading misinformation. So while it may not be totally black and white it seems even from your own observation it's certainly a very dark shade of gray.
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There is a difference between expressing an opinion and spreading a lie.
Opinions are exactly that. They can be left, right or in the middle.
Spreading a lie needs to be addressed. We found that out with Trump.
If you are going to conduct an interview, there is some responsibility to check someone when the begin lying.
Passive interviewers (or those who may claim to be so) are detrimental to everyone and dangerous. It's part of the interviewers responsibility to know when the person being interviewed is treading in dangerous waters.
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